Halladay headed to Phillies
by Ed Valentine on Dec 14, 2009 4:05 PM EST
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PrintLooks like no 'Doc' in the Bronx. Roy Halladay is apparently headed to Philadelphia in a three-team deal.
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I see that
Funny, if I was Philly I’d rather keep Lee. But I am glad Halladay is outta our division!
Apprantely
Lee didn’t denied Phillies contract extension deal offered to him. Soo, I understand the deal in that point of perceptive.
by NYYEastcosterNJD on Dec 14, 2009 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
Sorryyy, lol
Lee DID deny the extension deal
by NYYEastcosterNJD on Dec 14, 2009 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
There is no promise that Lee is being moved
Heyman who first reported the deal apologized in a tweet right after saying that lee may not be in the deal for sure. We will find out shortly for sure though if they were together they would be unstoppable in the NL
Need To Make A Move
The Yankees need to make a move now. I’m not comfortable with Joba and Hughes in the rotation, Joba needs to be in the bullpen. They need to make a move for another good starter.
on the contrary..
i think the Yanks are doing a damn fine job of letting the market come to them. they’ll get another starter or two at some point, but they won’t have to back up the the friggin cash truck to do it.
Yep. Save the cash truck for next season. Jeter, Mo, Mauer, and Lee.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
I thinkk
Mariners might sign Lee with a contract extension. Although Lee wants a extension deal that the free agent market would offer.
by NYYEastcosterNJD on Dec 14, 2009 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
I agree you need at least one more reliable starter. Really pissed we didn' t sign Lackey.
by upstateNYYFan1984 on Dec 14, 2009 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
Yes we need one more reliable starter. As for Mauer, come on, the Twins will never let him go. He’s the face of the franchise, and moving into a new ballpark, they’ll need him to sell tickets. That will never happen, realistically. I’m not saying sign some huge name starter, but get somebody who can fill a 4th spot, and put Joba back in the bullpen where he has proven to dominate.
So Halladay out of AL East, Good for the Yankees.
Mariners just became a more major threat, but better than either Halladay or Lee going to the Red Sox.
I don’t like Lackey going to Boston, but he fits and is not as dangerous as Lee or Halladay.
I still have a feeling the Yankees will make a move for Holliday so they can fill LF and DH hole, then possibly go After Duchscherer, as he proved to be excellent when healthy as both a starter and reliever.
hope you are wrong...
about Holliday. I don’t want to see this team add another long-term contract. If they can get Boras down to 4-5 years, I say go for it. But no more 7-8 year deals.
Holliday
I’m torn about Holliday. On the one hand, he’s clearly a great player and would make this team much better than signing any or the other stopgap/veterans out there. On the other, he’ll be expensive, will cost a first round pick and may prevent us from being big players in next years FA market. There are some good OFs next year too and if we don’t have to commit as much money to Holliday this year we’ll be in a better place to pursue one or more of the strong pitchers. We’ll see.
On Holliday
I think he might be a better overall player than any OF free agent next year, he’s been consistently worth more than Crawford and Werth over his career, plus he’s a few years younger than both of them. The big problem is Scott Boras.
I agree the Yankees need pitching more than an outfielder, but they can pick up a a incentive laden deal for Wang/Sheets/Duchscherer and trade Cabrera or Gardner for a bull pen arm (or send Gardner to the minors as with Hoffmann we don’t need that many OF’s), plus Hughes and Joba are at the age to start becoming great starters hopefully.
There are risks in any situation, but the sooner something is done the better, I hate waiting and so do free agents.
by Monotonousblob on Dec 14, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Re Holliday
You’re probably right. Getting the best player for our needs is a better than waiting for possibly cheaper alternatives, which may or may not even be available when the time comes. Crawford is a year and a half younger than Holliday, but I don’t think that makes too much of a difference in the valuation. It’d only make sense if we could get one of the other one of the other two for significantly cheaper for fewer non peak years.
Your're right, Crawford is younger, and a better defender
But the problem with Crawford is that speed plays the most important part of his game, and that’s one of the first thing to show noticeable degradation, unless you happen to be Ricky Henderson.
by Monotonousblob on Dec 14, 2009 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
I feel a little concerned
I’m glad Montero, Hughes, and Joba are all here to stay, but with Lackey going to Boston (did we even try for him) and Wang likely leaving, we might be without a 5th starter again. And if Joba isn’t great, we could be seriously weak.
"We're only going to score 17 points?"
Joba and Hughes are 4th and 5th right now.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
yea but Hughes for how long?
almost certain they’ll limit him
"We're only going to score 17 points?"
Wang's been pretty much gone for 2 years already.
Time to start getting over it.
Glad to see him out of the AL East
as well as NOT on the Angels. All in all, I have no problem with this deal at all.
by I'mGivingYouARaise on Dec 14, 2009 4:44 PM EST reply actions
If Halladay and Lee is together...
No room for a.j. to turn into a A-Hole on the mound….
Glad we still have our boys…But in no way am I happy with lackey going to boston…..I actually wanted him…….he’s a Yanks/Sox killer who ened up on the other side…..
Him and a healthy Beckett is just as potent as Lee and Halladay…..
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by NYYWinsRings27 on Dec 14, 2009 4:51 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Can i have a link?
Can’t seem to find any info on who goes where on this mobile?
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by NYYWinsRings27 on Dec 14, 2009 4:56 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Got the info thnx for the correction...
Lee out of philly……Halladay in….whatever, lol….
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by NYYWinsRings27 on Dec 14, 2009 5:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
no rush
Cash doing the right thing by waiting
Yanks were not going to give up the player for Doc or the money for Lackey so this was predictable
Sheets or Duke remain possible
The BIG thing is I do NOT want Damon back. Watch him age before your very eyes mid way through year one of a multi year deal.
agree.
I’d rather one year with an option.
Damon with multi-year assurance is not good.
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 14, 2009 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
At this point Holliday might be intriguing.
Bay appears to be gone from the Sux, so if the Yankees sign Holliday then there is nothing left to fill Boston’s hole in left field.
by upstateNYYFan1984 on Dec 14, 2009 5:23 PM EST reply actions
Unless they sign damon
Who I would love to see struggle with that retarded ass wall.
I think we should just sign holliday and let damon walk…..I wonder what the hold is anyway…Cash in the background planning a the grand scheme….
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by NYYWinsRings27 on Dec 14, 2009 5:28 PM EST via mobile reply actions
i really don't see how the phillies upgraded...
Congratz you traded an ace for a slightly (even thats arguable) better ace, who’s older. The team didn’t exactly get much better more like it stayed at where it is. Mariners are alot better tho.
They’ve got him and extended him. They’re long term is much brighter, and the AL-NL switch will remind the world how good Doc is to have done his thing in the AL East.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
One thing to remember
is Lee turned down the Phils extension offer. This is a possible reason for the swap.
Bad thing for Philly
Is they gave prospects for Lee and now it looks as if they gave more for Halladay just so they could find one who would sign with them long term.Big plus is I do not have to look at Lackeys ugly ass every fifth day.Personally I think Boston is going to regret the money.
by cashman bashman on Dec 14, 2009 5:37 PM EST reply actions
Halladay and Lackey off the market
Report: Roy Halladay dealt to Philadelphia Phillies in 3-team swap
John Lackey agrees to 5-year deal with Boston Red Sox
Umm ..
Isn’t that what this post was about. And, umm, didn’t we have the Lackey news in an earlier post? Not trying to be a snot, but geez.
by Ed Valentine on Dec 14, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
HAHA..YEAH...HAHA..
We are idiots here…duh…uhmm… Title: Halladay headed to Phillies Nothing in there about both being off the market..duhr…uh…haha…not being a snot… haha..duh and uhm…Lackey to sign with Boston? is a err uhmm…question and not a statement, dur uh… where is my Kleenex for being a snot back?
So I guess the moral of the story is: Make sure you are correct when trying to burn someone.
by LookingFor27 on Dec 14, 2009 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
and we already got #27.
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 14, 2009 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
We?
They sure did, but not when they were still searching for it the last “few” years.
This isn’t a place for a pissing contest. Get over it and post something constructive.
/done
by LookingFor27 on Dec 14, 2009 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
I piss where the wind blows.
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 14, 2009 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
You know there's a lot of Yankees blogs out there
Why don’t you go act like a retard on one of them?
Try not to make yourself look too foolish now.
by Gelatin on Dec 14, 2009 10:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
REALLY!
OMG!
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 14, 2009 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
I want the Yankees..
In the event Damon won’t accept a 2 year deal; they should sign Bedard or Sheets (whoever they perceive to have a better chance of lasting over the course of a season) and a cheap DH like Delgado and just stick Melky in left…I think that would guarantee us being the most complete team in the majors.
something like this..
Sabathia
Burnett
Sheets/Bedard
Pettitte
Joba/Phil
Rivera
Joba/Phil
Marte
Robertson
Aceves
Whoever
Jeter
Granderson
Tex
A-Rod
Lefty DH (?)
Posada
Cano
Swisher
Cabrera
What this trade means for the Yankees
5 more wins a season
At least
all the talk about trading for Doc that I just hated will be done with and Montero is staying in the Bronx. Halladay is out of the AL. THANK GOD!!!!
Thats good news. This trade is good for the Yankees.
Lee
Why don’t the yankees trade for lee? They could probably offer better prospects than what seattle is currently offering.
LOVE THE MOVE
From a Yankee standpoint!
1. We don’t have to give up the truckload of talent needed to keep him away from fenway
2. We save on the money we would have spent extending him
3. He doesn’t go to the angels
4. He leaves the American league
5. The team that gets him becomes only marginally better in the move
Seattle certainly gets stronger, but we only directly compete with them 6 times a year, or in case of emergency, if we are fighting for the wild card.
by RicketyCricket on Dec 14, 2009 8:37 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
wow
since the yankees beat the phillies in the world series new york has been non-stop losing to philly. we need to sign a guy cause the sox have lacky, no one big but a good solid pitcher like pineiro from st.louis.
"Yes we lost and yes we are upset. But like all Champs we will bounce back."
Osi umenyiora
by donnybaseball23 on Dec 14, 2009 8:37 PM EST reply actions
Well, we'll see what happens with that Lackey signing
Generally, I don’t think the Halladay thing hurts us at all.
-The Phils are the same team.
-The Mariners are a lot better (great, because now at least every 5th Ms game is worth watching for me).
-Boston…I guess it depends on whether you think a Beckett/Lester/Lackey/Dice-K/Bucholz rotation (which is absolutely sick) offsets the decline of Ortiz & Lowell and the loss of Bay. Boston’s going to have great pitching next year, but will they score runs?
they were supposed to have great pitching this past year....
they all got injured.
Lackey, Dice-K, Beckett..sure are injury prone.
Buccholz is coming off a big workload, he could break down too.
Lester is due too after a few 200+ inning seasons.
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 14, 2009 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
Lester is special
The other question…does this mean that they’re looking at moving Bucholz and/or Dice-K for A-Gone?
Hard to say.
by PortlandYankee on Dec 14, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
No. That’s a lot of pitching depth to give up. Just sign Beltre and call it a winter.
by Scooby Snacks on Dec 14, 2009 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
Buccholz "big workload"?
He threw 92 innings and his wins were against the mighty KC, BAL (2), TOR (2), TB (2) etc.
Ugh...
Halladay replaces Lee, big woop. He’s out of the AL East and we only have to face him pending the Phils take the NL Penant for the 3rd straight year. The Mariners might actually win the AL West and the Angels, well, they are weakened significantly. These are all good things. Soon as the Yanks sign Sheets, all will be right.
Don't count on Sheets for anything
if the Yankees sign Sheets, then he should be held to no expectations. Anything he gives would be a bonus. You can’t count on someone who hasn’t pitched in a year. We know what Sheets is capable of, but we can’t expect it if he’s signed. Sort of like A-Rod this year, coming back from surgery.
M’s should be the favorite in the West now. Angels have lost everybody. Looks like their playoff days are over for a while. They are awful at resigning people. Couldn’t keep Tex last year, and none of their key players this year?
No more Halladay in the East
That is quite a relief. I do think we need to get a solid pitcher who is AMERICAN LEAGUE proven. Piniero sounds like a nice option but his stats are against the Astros, Cubs, Brewers etc. I truly think the Mariners have a decent squad right now. King Felix and Lee at the front of that rotation is a nice duo. Not the favorite in AL west yet in my opinion but they are making some nice moves. All I want for Christmas is a solid mid-rotation pitcher. Not too much to ask for right?
With the Lackey Move...
They will have no money for Pap or Vmart. Especially if they throw money at Beltre. The only thing that gets my shorts in a bunch, is that Clay could be traded for adrian gonzo. That would stack them up pretty solid on the offense and pitching side for this year.
We need 2 sleeper starters and jam Hughs and Jaba in the pen. We also need 25-35 home run outfielder /DH to keep up. Gard/Melky are not the answer. Band Aid maybe till July.
Halladay to Phils…good riddens… Anyone know the history of the F.A’s out there who have solid stats in Fenway or against Lackey/Beckett/Lester?
If Bay is the only one, he maybe a solid 6-7 hitter ..(chuckle)
no way for bay..too much money and is a horrible fielder
if we really wanted to pay for an overrated hitter and Fa, we’d sign Holliday.
Phillies did what?
I don’t get this trade for them at all… I guess there are still more details to come out… but the NL champs are pretty much trading a great pitcher for another one. I mean, weren’t they satisfied with Cliff Lee? How much more dominant did they want him to be?
A few weeks ago, I replied to a post and I said that I liked Mariners players over the years because they seemed cool and they’re always non-threatening… I guess that’s no longer the case. With Figgins and Lee on board, they’re officially scary.
Despite not getting my favorite Non-Yankee in Doc, I’m breathing a huge sigh of relief that he didn’t land on the Sox or the Angels or an AL East team. The Fightin’ might not be my first choice as an NL team for him, but I can’t be too picky. With Lee, If I’m the Angels, I’d be very very scared. Their division dominance is about to be challenged.
as Yankee fans
this is basically the best result we could’ve hoped for. Halladay is out of the division, didn’t go to Boston, and we didn’t have to mortgage our best prospect(s) for him.
+1
and the Phillies didn’t even improve that much because they lose Cliff Lee and JA Happ if that is in fact the trade that goes down.
Honestly I think that the Phillies are losers in this. I know that they got to the World Series this year, but to give up 3 prospects for Lee, and then give up Lee and 2 more prospects for Halladay? 5 prospects for a 33 year old pitcher who you have to sign to a lucrative extension? Pass.
Honestly I think that this could be an excellent trade for the Jays if they get a solid haul of prospects (which it looks like they will).
This sticker is dangerous and inconvenient, but I do love Fig Newtons.
by Lord Duggan on Dec 15, 2009 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
it was money.
they wanted to re-up Lee, but he apparently wanted CC money for 5+ years.
Halladay wanted to re-up for 3 years and less than market value.
I could imagine if Halladay bombs out too….
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 15, 2009 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah I know that Lee has said that he's not giving anyone a discount
and refused the Phils offer.
I think when we look back at this in 5 years the Phils will have gotten shafted.
This sticker is dangerous and inconvenient, but I do love Fig Newtons.
I see it now...
Lincecum / Carpenter’s going to get a real tough run from Doc. Him pitching against the NL offenses? Not good.
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