New York Yankees notes: Much hinges on Damon's decision
Who is in left field? Who is at designated hitter? Those are the basic lineup questions about our New York Yankees right now, and they all hinge -- of course -- on whether Johnny Damon will accept a contract offer from the Yankees much shorter and less lucrative than uber-agent Scott Boras would like.
Meanwhile, there is much discussion of other options should Damon decide to walk. GM Brian Cashman can talk about Juan Miranda all he wants, but we all know that is incredibly unlikely to happen.
By the way, with the Rule 5 drafting of Jason Hoffmann another question seems to be whether or not speedster Brett Gardner will be part of the outfield mix. Seems the Chicago White Sox, and possibly the Kansas City Royals, are asking about Gardner's availability.
Personally, I love Gardner. Some folks think Jason Tyner or Joey Gathright -- speedy slap hitters who have never hit enough to play regularly, when they look at Gardner. To me, he's a lot closer to Scott Podsednik, a guy who can hit enough, defend and wreak havoc on the bases. Obviously, it's not going to be with the Yankees, but I still believe Gardner can play regularly -- and do it well -- for somebody.
I mentioned Hoffmann, the Rule 5 pick, earlier. He seems like a useful reserve outfielder with some tools, and The Baseball Analysts are wondering why the Los Angeles Dodgers seemed to be trying so hard to lose him.
So why wasn't he on the 40 man roster, and why was he DFAed in September? The answer seems to be that he was redundant on the Dodgers. The 4th outfielder role is currently held down by Xavier Paul. Jason Repko also sits higher on the blue totem pole. I would have been surprised to see anyone grab Trayvon Robinson in the rule 5 draft, but if the Dodgers perceived that as a threat, it could certainly be argued that he deserves protection more than Hoffman.
Perhaps it just says more about the Yankees than the Dodgers. The Yankees currently have 4 outfielders on the 40-man roster. The first two, Curtis Granderson and Nick Swisher, are clearly going to be penciled into most Yankees line-ups in 2010. The other two outfielders would be lucky to be penciled in at all. Melky Cabrera is a glorified backup centerfielder. He simply does not have the production to justify being played in a corner outfield position. With the Granderson acquisition, Melky will be reduced to being a 2nd choice centerfielder, and a last choice corner outfielder. The last outfielder, Brett Gardner is not even a good option for a 4th outfielder. How Gardner has still has a job confuses me.
Hoffman would fit in well as a 4th outfielder. He can play any outfield position, and his production will likely justify his being played on a corner. He isn't a great base stealer, but he has speed on the bases, making him a good option as a pinch runner. So this replacement-level outfielder, the 6th choice outfielder on the Dodgers, would be the starting left fielder on the current Yankees roster. This was clearly a good choice for the yankees. It was also very bad planning on the part of the Dodgers if they had any interest in keeping Hoffman.
Obviously, I disagree about Gardner. I do think, though, that Melky is a better fit than Gardner as a fourth outfielder because of his ability to play the corners and to switch hit. Nonetheless, this is kind of thought-provoking.
If you are in the 'Don't trade for Roy Halladay' camp, otherwise known as the Jesus Montero Fan Club, you will hate this quote from Cashman.
"I’m hesitant to move certain young players because of what they can do for us in the here and now or in the future and the salary off-set they provide. At the same time, for the right player, I’ll move anybody."
That doesn't mean Halladay is the right player. It just means he might be, so stay tuned.
The Big Lead, maybe the best general sports blog on the planet, had a nice interview with new Yankee Curtis Granderson the other day.
Red Sox GM Theo Epstein is talking about his team taking a step back in 2010 to be more competitive down the road. Boston Globe columnist Dan Shaughnessy isn't buying what Theo is selling. Neither am I.
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Why hate on Gardner?
The man can flat out steal a base and play centerfield above average if not great. He broke his hand on a slide to second and missed out a month or so mid season. It takes time to heal a broken hand and get comfortable again to swing.
He was hitting .280 + before he got hurt and finished at .270, not bad for his first complete year.
To say that he isn’t even a good 4th outfield option means that this guy, a supposed baseball analyst, Chris Moore is an idiot.
Gardner just finished his 2nd year with the Yankees, and he had 250 abs last year with 26 sb’s. Not too bad, especially when he was 2nd on the team in steals next to Jeter who had 30 in over 600 abs. And looking at the Tigers stats to compare with Granderson, well, Gardner would have been the Tigers best base stealer with half the abs.
He is 26 yrs old and he did beat out Melky for the starting position opening day. You cant produce speed! You can find plenty of outfielders or players for that matter with good pop or power if you will, but speed?
Gardner has a chance to be a 50+ base stealer a year. Yes there is more to this than speed, i understand. He has showed he can play and start in centerfield. Whether it is with the Yankees, that remains to be seen. Personally, fielding wise, if we had Granderson in left and Gardner in center, those two would be the quickest outfield combo in the league(maybe next to those tampa boys , Crawford and Upton).
Obviously I really like Gardner and think he has great potential and definitely can be a starting centerfielder. I would love for that chance to be with the Yanks, but he and Melky and Swisher and great trade chips as well.
Damon wont sign because he thinks he should get 4 years with 60-80 mil. Screw off Damon! Your arm brings your bat value down. Either take the 2 years or walk!
FREE GARDNER!!!!
…so the truth comes out…..
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 11, 2009 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
Scott Podsednik
is a pretty average defender while Gardner is a much better one. But the comparison is valid. I’m very much inclined to keeping both Melky and Gardner and letting the two platoon LF for ‘10. If it doesn’t work out (and how badly can it really go?), the Yankees can make a play at Carl Crawford come mid-year.
Comparison
Yeah, I was mostly looking at the comparison offensively. I’d love to see Gardy get the Yankees LF job next year, but I don’t think it will happen.
by Ed Valentine on Dec 11, 2009 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
Gardner
in my mind is better defensively than Granderson. Gardner is faster, can cover more ground. If we were to do that, I’d put Gardner in center and Granderson in left.
That's exactly what I was thinking!
Honestly, how bad could letting them platoon LF really go? It would be a much better upgrade from Damon.
by Gelatin on Dec 11, 2009 9:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Great point!
It worked last year in center, why not left then? Everyone quickly forgets that, those two combined to put up better numbers in center than the previous years.
GARD
DO NOT GET RID OF GARDENER VERY GOOD BENCH PLAYER, AND HIT A LITTLE BIT MORE EVERY DAY PLAYER.
BIG YANKEE FAN,FROM MASS. HAVE TO PUT UP WIYH ALL THESE HOLE SOX FANS
Gardner
I think Gardner can be very good at what he does – hit .280-.300, put up a .350 OBP and steal a ton of bases. However the question is whether you want that kind of player in your every day lineup. I don’t. I think unless you have an obscene OBP a-la Brett Butler in his prime, I’d rather have a player who can be counted on to drive in runs, at least from 2nd. I mean, I wouldn’t want Scott Podsednik.
Anyway Gardner has value to us as a bench player. He can pinch run and he has great CF range, but if it turns out we can get a quality reliever for him I’d definitely make the move.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Dec 11, 2009 11:37 AM EST reply actions
Letting GGBG go
would be a huge mistake. Aside from the potential LF platoon of Melky/Damon, what Gardner brings off the bench is too valuable. There is nothing wrong with him coming off the bench.
Anybody in the mood for a repeat?
by ReggieARodJeter on Dec 11, 2009 12:09 PM EST reply actions
Gardner is clearly capable of doing what we need him to do
Play plus D in CF
Hit 9th and get on base at least 3.25 times out of 10.
Steal 30-50 bases.
Honestly…we have 8 other guys who can hit 20 HR, but he’s the only guy on the team who is a mortal lock to swipe 30 given a full season.
by PortlandYankee on Dec 11, 2009 12:13 PM EST reply actions
Outfield logjam
Melky has improved steadily and still has substantial upside. Gardiner might, but not in power. Hoffman might be a platoon CF to cover Granderson’s LHP weakness, although I do note that Gardiner did hit LHPs well in 2009. Melky has more pop and is probably a better hitter than Podsednik, for example. I have trouble seeing where Johnny Damon fits unless someone is traded. The Yanks may decide to economize here to get Halliday. If Melky gets traded, there might be room on the field for Damon even though his throwing arm is a definite minus. My first inclination is to keep Melky and Cano together and get younger, even though I respect Johnny Damon and realize that he may some good play left.
Gardner
Many of his SB’s came as a pinch runner, so to state 26 stolen bases in 250 AB’s is a bit misleading. If he’s going to help us get a better piece of the puzzle, he’s without a doubt expendable
I'd prefer to keep Gardner
For one, I think having a pinch runner available at any lineup spot is huge, especially in the playoffs. Also, I think Melky has more trade value. If we sign Damon or another solid LF, Melky can be packaged or traded straight up and Hoffman can platoon/backup LF and Gardner backs up CF.
Melky is a better starting CF than GGBG, but with Grand Central (John Sterling should love that. “…it is GONE…Next stop Grand Central!!”) in place, Gardner is a better backup option.
I'd rather keep Gardner
For one, I think having a pinch runner available at any lineup spot is huge, especially in the playoffs. Also, I think Melky has more trade value. If we sign Damon or another solid LF, Melky can be packaged or traded straight up and Hoffman can platoon/backup LF and Gardner backs up CF.
Melky is a better starting CF than GGBG, but with Grand Central (John Sterling should love that. “…it is GONE…Next stop Grand Central!!”) in place, Gardner is a better backup option.
Really, are you sure?
Because his first 200 ABs Gardner had 20 SBs , when he was the starter for the first 4 months, April to July.

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