Choices for 2010
by nyyrocks29 on Nov 7, 2009 10:51 AM EST
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PrintWell, the quest for #28 begins already. I expect the Yankees to be younger next year while still being able to put together a championship caliber team. They have free agents, and some guys on the market that could be valuable. Here's what I would do.
Bring Johnny Damon back. He's been valuable to this team for years. He's great in the clubhouse. His swing is made for Yankee Stadium. He probably comes cheap (although with Boras you never know), and he can still put up great numbers this year. In his 4 years in NY, only one year (2007) was considered a "bad" year for him. And considering that 2007 was the year he was thinking about retirement for half the year and wasn't focused, is wasn't really a surprise. I think they should bring him back, to a one year deal and an option for the second.
Hideki Matsui. That really is a tough one. Having an older catcher who happens to be one of the worst defensive catchers in baseball complicates this problem a little bit (I never liked giving Posada a 4 year deal). It depends, I think, on how much Posada can catch next year.If the Yankees can expect him to catch 120-130 games, then I'm good with them bringing Matsui back to DH for one year. Only one year. It also depends on whether the Yankees want to give Austin Jackson his shot next year or not. If Jackson is coming up to play center field next year, then Matsui is gone. If A-JAX is going to get another year in the minor leagues, the Mats may come back. If Matsui could rehab so he can play left field from time to time, that would be nice too. So I really don't know with this one.
Andy? If he wants to play, he's back. Hopefully he comes back.
Nady is gone unless there is no choice but to bring him back (which is very unlikely), or he's willing to accept a part time role for a VERY low price. Don't think either is likely, so Nady is gone.
Hinske, also, goes right out the door. His hitting isn't good enough, and his outfielding is atrocious (it is possible that his arm is worse than Damon's). Get a different bat off the bench.
Hairston I think should also walk. This is part of the "getting younger" part. I want to see Ramiro Pena as the utility man next year. He's just as good as Hairston. Except that he's younger, faster, is a better defender, and a switch hitter. Especially if Pena could learn to play the outfield, then I definitely want Pena.
Same with Molina. He goes as well. Again, getting younger. Plus, it's time for CERVELLI to be up here full time!!!
Now, the free agents? I don't want any big moves like last year. This team doesn't need them. The only way the Yankees would need a big move is if Andy retires. If he retires, then I want them to go after John Lackey (who is only 31, and would be a great #2 behind CC). But if Andy comes back, then no really big moves. Hopefully (hopefully) Joba goes back to the bullpen where he belongs. Hughes should start (he is MUCH more capable of being a starter than Joba is). And then use a random fifth starter for half a season. Don't care who. Gaudin, Kennedy, someone like that, just to hold a spot until Chein Ming Wang comes back. Then you have CC, A.J., Andy/Lackey, Hughes, someone else (until Wang gets back around midseason).
I have a good feeling this team is going to repeat.
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another pitcher...
if they ant huges in the bullpen then i think they should go after Joel Pineiro from St. Louis, hes not a great pitcher, but would make a good 3rd or 4th starter. and i am really looking forward to being a younger team this year, and i want posada to be more of a DH cause cervillie is good, i think 90-100 for jorge and the rest of the games to cervillie, and they also have a good catching prospect in Miranda who has a good bat. but needless to say i think they can repeat, but #27 is just starting to sink in.
"Yes we lost and yes we are upset. But like all Champs we will bounce back."
Osi umenyiora
by donnybaseball23 on Nov 7, 2009 11:24 AM EST reply actions
Miranda
plays first base, you may b thinking of Jesus
he is I think
although Miranda can hit. He hit a 450 foot shot against Tampa Bay this year.
Jesus is who he’s talking about though.
As long as there's 9 million threads on it...
I’ll have to disagree on Matsui with all of them. Who the hell cares about what Posada needs to do? He can sit on the bench to get rest, we don’t need to DH him to rest him. He can be the pinch hitter for Cervelli on those games (provided Cervelli turns out to NEED a PHer…)
Matsui is too good of a bat to give up. He can’t play the field? I know. But that’s the point of having guys like Pena and Jerry Hairston (who should be brought back)
As for Damon, I’m pretty much firm in teh offer him arbitration or let him walk. In 2011 they can go after Crawford, who overall is better (and may even cost less per year). If Johnny wants a long term deal and gets it else where, let him walk. They can bring up AJAX and start Melky in LF, and roll with it.
Pettite is back if he wants. That is all on that.
Lackey? Too much money, but couldn’t hurt to kick the tires.
Holliday or Bay? I’d preferr Holliday, he’d be good at Yankee stadium (Playing in the AL is one thing…in Oakland’s grand canyon coliseum is another).
Work with Joba, Work with Hughes. Both are starters next year. Get them in shape, whatever you have to do. The only time either should see the pen is
I think Damaso Marte earn 1000 tons of confidence this playoff run; he could return to the Marte they thought they were getting (a guy that was a very good closer and set-up man).
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
New rotation
Take a shot at Joba and Hughes in the beginning of the season and work it from there. Marte and Robertson are too good to be stuck just pitching to one batter a game. If Andy comes back, then you have a rotation of CC, AJ, Andy, Hughes and Gaudin with a late inning set up lineup of Marte and Robertson, Joba at the 8th to hand it to Mo.
Please please please please no Holliday or Bay.
I agree
I do NOT want that canadian on the Yankees. He’s way too streaky. For months at a time, he looks like Cody Ransom up there. And then for months at a time he looks like Mickey Mantle (ok, I’m over-exaggerating a little, but I still don’t want him on the team).
Holliday? I don’t really want him either. He isn’t as good in the AL, and Boras will demand “Teixeira like” money for him, which is something the Yankees don’t need to spend in my mind.
Agree on Bay...
depends on Holliday.
He’s a very good defender, on reason why the Tex which can’t be overlooked when talking about a replacement for Damon.
Is really not an AL hitter? Well, no one lately seems to be a hitter in Oakland so you can’t go by that.
Their stadium is awful. Holliday still had decent stats (would you not want David Wright? He did simliarly in the 1st half).
Also, not enough can be said that Holliday would be batting in the YANKEES LINEUP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Holliday did so good in St. Louis batting with Pujols et. al.
What can he do playing in Yankee stadium, batting say…6th behind Mastui or even 7th behind Posada?
No…Matt Holliday should definitely be an option for the Yankees.
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 7, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Holliday will ask a lot
Boras already laughed off the Cards’ 96m/6yrs initial offer. Getting Holliday is going to take Tex money and he is really not worth that much.
Side note: Every time I read a post or rumor that the Red Sox are making a run at Doc Halladay, it physically makes me sick. I know it’s asking for the world to have my favorite non-Yankee wearing pinstripes, but is there a way to make sure he doesn’t end up in Fenway?
nope
Sox are getting someone, thats just a fact. Nothing the Yankees can do to stop it. The Sox are getting either Halladay or Felix Hernandez, and they are going to have some team next year.
The Yankees need a good rotation. CC competes with anyone in baseball, but it would be nice if they could have a solid #2. I’d LOVE for them to get Lackey, but unless Andy retires I don’t think there’s any need for that. A healthy Chien Ming Wang is one of the best pitchers in baseball. And if he can come back next season and regain form, then it will make a HUGE difference to the Yankees season. A rotation of CC, Wang, Burnett, Andy/Lackey, and Hughes/Joba can compete with any rotation in baseball. Also, there will be no need to use a 3 man rotation in the postseason either (which almost gave me a heart attack this year. Thank god it worked out.
Is Varitek still playing next year?
Cause watching Varitek try to catch King Felix with his AJ-like control would be genius.
I really hope that the Yankees at least make an attempt on Roy Halladay, who has a good relationship with AJ and Rivera. Mo even taught him his cutter!
I think AJ has a "bounce back" year next year
this guy was a QS machine for the Yanks this year, yet it just seemed like he could be a whole lot better.
I’d think the first year with the Yanks is the toughest, so maybe he’s a bit more under control next year.
The Yanks have a solid #2 already.
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm all for that
I really hope he has an even better season next year. He’s become my favorite pitcher to watch when he’s on. Yeah, I’d rather have CC if it’s a must win game because you know what you’re getting, but when he’s on, AJ is so fun to watch when he’s dropping curve ball after curve ball at the outside corner as each batter helplessly looks on.
If they think 96 mill is a laugher..well then to hell with Holliday...
yet, that’s Boras. He wanted $200 mill at this point with Texeria..so you can’t go by November offers.
He may end up signing for less than 96. Im pretty sure the bidding for Tex started at around 140, so that’s $60 million less than what Boras “laughed off” in November last year.
As for Halladay/Felix, I really hope the Red Sox go after Halladay, I have no problem with that.
Their problem this season was their hitting, not pitching. They’d have to give up Buchholz (Toronto would be stupid to as for less to start), and Buchholz was very good this year.
I highly doubt the Red Sox go after just pitching. I think that Adrian Gonzalez is gonna be their priority. Maybe they go after Felix Hernandez too?
I think the Yanks should kick the tires on King Felix, see what they ask
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Agreed on Gonzalez
My joy of imagining Varitek trying to catch King Felix just turned to sheer dread with the image of Posada trying to catch AJ AND Felix. The umpire would have to wear extra padding. But I do agree that if there’s a chance to get King Felix or Halladay, they should go for it. Posada can just start living at the DH spot.
And my favorite off-season move so far might have to be Manny exercises option, Phillies pick up option on Lee and Boston answers right back with acquiring Hermida. Hee hee hee you definitely showed them, Boston.
Posada can catch Burnett just fine...
the whole AJ with Posada being bad started at the end of August and thereafter.
AJ was just fine for most of the season throwing to Posada. Its all in AJ’s head. AJ seems like he’s a bit of a headcase. Maybe that ring will cure it for him?
As for Varitek, I’m pretty sure he signed a one year deal last year…so I don’t think he’s back.
I’m not sure who their catcher will be actually. V-Mart’s probably going to 1st, unless the do acquire Adrian Gonzalez or something like that
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Varitek will be back there
he’s “the captain of the Red Sox”. Can’t see him leaving. I hope he stays. It’s nice for the Red Sox to have a catcher thats worse than Jose Molina starting every day.
RESIGN VARITEK!!!!
Second that
However, unlike the sentimental Yankees who will never trade their long time players, the Red Sox over the years have shown that they are willing to part with their players once their production starts to decline, loyalty be damned.
Varitek has a player option for 2010. My guess is he exercises it.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
It really doesn't matter
because they’ll rely on Victor Martinez as their catcher. They’d be insane to put Varitek back as catcher full time.
by Vancouverguy on Nov 8, 2009 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
Yankees have enough Boras clients
it’s one of the reasons the payroll is so high. Signing so many of his players cause the Yankees to bid to high and bid against themselves (don’t like him, but he’s a good agent). And if Boras laughed at 96 million over 6 years, well then, like you said, to hell with Holliday.
really?
wow. OK let me rephrase. Enough of the Yankees getting tricked by Scott Boras into paying enormous deals when they shouldn’t. It’s easier to get more money than needed on a star like Holliday than on a player like Damon, who is starting to decline. Although if Boras wants to get Damon more money than the Yankees are willing to pay, then I’m fine with letting Damon walk.
exactly...
that’s why the idea that signing Johnny for 1 year and like $8mill with an option (aka..what he’s worth….) is probably not gonna happen.
Boras is gonna try to get a multi-year deal for him. Like, 12 mill per too.
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Starting rotation
While scrounging at what assets the Yankees can package to obtain Doc Halladay, I just realized how many starters the Yankees are going to trot out next season, even if only for a trial period.
CC
AJ
Andy (if he resigns)
Gaudin
Wang (if he’s ever healthy)
Joba
Hughes (they’re definitely going to try it out)
Mitre? (what’s his contract situation?)
Aceves (he’s been asking for a spot after going 10-1)
outside of Wang, who I’m not a fan of, I just can’t see a reliable #4 playoff starter unless Hughes turns it around because Joba is most certainly headed to be the 8th inning guy. Nevertheless, it would be a deep pool to choose from given the overall talent and potential of the pitchers named.
I hope Joba is going to the bullpen
but I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s starting again next year. Yankees seem committed to leave him a starter. I don’t agree with it. I still think his future is as a closer, and hopefully the Yankees make this happen. Hughes, I think, is going to be a starter. Just has starter stuff. So the starters they will have next year…..
CC
A.J.
Andy
Gaudin
Wang
Hughes
Mitre
Aceves
Ponson? (he always seems to come back)
Kennedy (I think he deserves a shot at least)
Rotation should be CC, A.J., Andy, Hughes, and one other pitcher like Kennedy, Gaudin, or Mitre to hold a spot until Wang returns. Thats what I’m hoping they do. If Andy doesn’t come back, then I think it makes sense to go after John Lackey. He’s still young. He’s a big game pitcher. He would make a great #2 pitcher.
#2 starter
Not a big Lackey fan, but I am giddy at the thought of watching Lackey explode at the sight of seeing Girardi come out of the dugout over and over again.
If Andy doesn’t come back, they’ll certainly need another proven starter. I kinda hope they’ll try to deal for someone first, maybe make my Roy Halladay in pinstripes dream come true before they sign Lackey. But if they do sign Lackey, I guess I can learn to live with it.
Joba's in the rotation....
As he should be. They’ll increase the workload too. Hopefully he shows something. If not, maybe by teh time Wang gets back they transform Joba to a bullpen guy again…
They’ll get Wang back at some point too, so who knows what goes on with him.
Hopefullyt Andy comes back, they could really use him again. Hopefully the other guys like Hughes and Joba pitch up to their ability so that they don’t have to rely on old man Andy repeating this year again….
IPK may get another shot. Ace too. Mitre hopefully stays in AAA, but given that he’s further of TJ surgery, he should be healthier with some more command
But really the only question in teh 5 man rotation is if Andy comes back.
If so, then its CC, AJ, Andy, Joba, Huhges.
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Joba and Hughes
Joba is in the rotation in 2010. The Yankees didn’t go through all that trouble with him in 2009 just to not give him a shot at a full season. Hughes is the question mark I guess but the Yankees are smart enough to give him a fair shot in the rotation before relegating him to middle relief.
The 2010 rotation should be
CC
AJ
Pettitte
Joba
Hughes
If Pettitte retires we need a solid mid-rotation guy. Hopefully he pitches another year.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Nov 7, 2009 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
What about Wang though?
If Joba stays in the rotation, there is no room for Wang when he comes back. Although I suppose we’ll have the “Hughes rules” to deal with next season, and maybe Hughes goes to the pen when Wang comes back to keep Hughes’ innings down. I have no idea what they’re going to do, but I do know that Wang will come back and that he’s going to pitch when he does. It’s tough to tell how they’re going to work that out. We’ll see.
Yeah I forgot...
To mention Wang, but I was thinking exactly what you said that Wang replaces Hughes in the rotation around August 1st to keep Hughes’ innings down.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Nov 8, 2009 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
Aren't we all...
writing off Wang a little too quickly?
He’s proven to be able to throw effectively, (for the most part, if you ignore 2009). He was a 19-game winner with a adequate ERA only a year ago, pitching as our ACE. I’d love to have him back, (um.. the 2008 version of him, that is) as a 3rd-4th guy depending on if Andy comes back.
Then, we can have Hughes in the 5th spot, and Gaudin there to keep his innings low.
I’m sure the Yankees management disagree, but I still love the fact Joba can come out of the pen, throwing 96mph. Maybe he can learn a thing or two from ’Mo about putting teams away, without giving up the runs.
by Vancouverguy on Nov 8, 2009 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
The thing with CM Wang
is he’s not coming back for April. We’re probably gonna have to look at Wang as a trade deadline acquisition, cuz that’s probably when he (should…) come back.
That’s what LTATB is talking about. The Yanks opening day rotation, 4 of those guys are gonna be CC, AJ, Joba and Hughes.
Andy is a question, we don’t know. If he retires, I think you’ll see them go after someone like Lackey.
They may trade for someone like Felix Hernandez, who they tried for in July. But he may cost Joba AND Hughes, and who knows what else. I mean I’d probably do that in a heartbeat if the other additions don’t include Montero, but it means the Yanks are gonna have to get another pitcher or 2.
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Joba or Hughes
I think that between Joba and Hughes, only one of them will crack the starting rotation. As much as I think Robertson and Marte should get increased roles, Joba or Hughes should be in the 8th inning slot.
If say Hughes cracks the starting rotation, then it’s Robertson and Marte at the 7th or earlier, Joba at the 8th to hand it to Mo.
is wang even coming back?
i want halladay if he doesnt. and to me honest, i can not wait til the trade deadline. cashman is going to want to repeat bad so i wouldnt be surprised to see him make big moves.
and lets not forget,
Toronto bit the bullet, and kept Halladay. We could probably get him for 40cents on the dollar at the trade deadline, seeing as we’re the only ones who would want to afford that monster salary hit in the off-season.
by Vancouverguy on Nov 8, 2009 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
Joba or Hughes
It became clear that Joba is more efficient in the pen. I think both Hughes and Joba need to develope one more pitch to be a better starting pitcher (change-up or SF). My SP rotation for 2010 will be 1) CC 2) AJ 3) Andy if he comes back 4) Hughes 5) Aceves. If Andy doesn’t come back, NYY may have to go after Lackey.
Chone Figgins in Left
Choose 1 of Hideki or Johnny, Adds speed, and theoretically would make sense letting Johnny Walk
No Chone
Did you see him in the ALCS? He couldn’t hit to save his life. And if you add the pressure of playing in New York, he’d wilt.
I agree
avoid Figgins. The pressure of NY will kill him. He’s probably asking for a pretty good amount of money anyways. I’d rather give Austin Jackson a shot next year than sign Figgins to play the outfield.
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