Cost and Value: Salaries and Future Value (Part 2 of 3)
One of the things that has impressed me about the Yankees' recent contracts is their refusal to backload.
| '10 | '11 | '12 | '13 | '14 | '15 | '16 | '17 | |
| Posada | 13.1 | 13.1 | ||||||
| Tex | 20 | 22.5 | 22.5 | 22.5 | 22.5 | 22.5 | 22.5 | |
| Cano | 9 | 10 | 14+ | 15+ | ||||
| Jeter | 21 | |||||||
| Arod | 32 | 31 | 29 | 28 | 25 | 21 | 20 | 20 |
| Swisher |
6.75 | 9 | ||||||
| Sabathia | 23 | 23* | 23 | 23 | 23 | 23 | ||
| Burnett | 16.5 | 16.5 | 16.5 | 16.5 | ||||
| Rivera | 15 | |||||||
| Marte | 4 | 4 | 4+ | |||||
| Igawa | 4 | 4 |
*Opt out
+Club option
Over the last five years the Yanks' Opening Day payroll has averaged nearly exactly 200M. Let's assume that number will hold constant over the next 5 years as Hank and Hal pocket a larger percentage of the revenue than George ever did, but the expansion of YES and the additional revenue of New Yankee Stadium's offseason events (football, boxing, hockey) balance that spreadsheet.
The Yanks have $160M (80%) of their 2010 payroll already locked in. And a similar amount is settled in 2011 (Assuming Jeter returns for $16M/5Y, more than Posada or Rivera got for their twilight contract, and Mo begins to go year to year).
After the 2011 season, the Yankees will have a chance to retool their payroll, but like they had last offseason when the contracts of Giambi, Mussina and Pavano all came off the books. Baring injury, CC is a lock to opt out because at least one of Halladay, Beckett, or Lee will sign a free agent deal eclipsing CC's.
When you hear Cash talk this offseason about getting young, it not just because younger players tend to perform better than old ones. Younger means cheaper.
Here's a look at the Yanks by position, measured in dollars per win (WARP3):
| C | 1B | 2B | 3B | SS | LF | CF | RF | DH | SP | SP | SP | SP | CP |
| $3.3 | $3.8 | $1.0 | $5.2 | $3.3 | $2.7 | $0.2 | $1.4 | $4.8 | $2.2 | $4.1 | $3.4 | $0.3 | $2.0 |
A couple thoughts:
- Cervelli produced a .7 WARP3 in his limited playing time, but because he made league minimum, that significantly brought up the expensive non-production of Jose Molina.
- No real surprise that the most cost efficient position was centerfield.
- Since CC only made $14M this season, his value dwarfs AJ and Andy, but if he repeats the same performance next year his value falls to $3.5M.
- Despite Joba's struggles, he was still the most cost effective starter. I hope this underscores the value of cheap young starters. It's the reason that Cash hesitated to send Joba and Phil to the Twins for Santana in 2007, and it's the reason he should think long and hard about a similar deal this offseason.
- You want to know how incredible Mariano Rivera is? He makes his $15M deal look like a bargin. The actual number was $1.9736M/win.
Another way for the Yanks to approach their offseason plans is simply to ask, how can we get more efficient production from our open positions? I love Matsui, but I'm sure we can find a DH capable of producing on the scale of $2.5M/win. Damon looks like a valuable player after his last season, but it's also his first as a Yank when he was largely injury free.
The real thesis of Moneyball was find ways to exploit inefficiencies in the market. An expensive DH in antithetical to that- especially if the other players around the diamond need to use that 'half day' to maintain the level of their productivity.
We might complain mightily about a LF/CF combo of Cabrera/Gardner, but if those resources are reallocated to a position of greater need (starting pitching), it might be a worthwhile offensive downgrade.
Tomorrow: Assessing the productivity of the 40-man roster.
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can you explain the dollars per win thing?
i don’t quite understand the dollars per win chart…if those numbers are in millions, then the DH cost $494 million for the regular season…if those numbers are just standard dollars then we got away with paying a-rod $535 during the regular season? is there something i don’t understand here?
Those numbers are millions of dollars.
Matsui contributed 2.7 wins in WARP3. He made $13M. So we paid $4.8M per win.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
jeter at $15MM per year, after 2010?
no way. he’s gonna get $22MM-$25MM per year on the next go round. i’m not saying he deserves it but that is what he’ll get for the intangibles. he has huge leverage over management with the fan base behind him.
WARP3 values question
Are the values you report for the positions for the primary starter at those positions, or did you take an average weighted by time occupied there?
The main thing I’m wondering is if that $5.2M/win for 3B is just A-Rod, then if you extrapolate his win share to a whole season, does his value exceed Matui’s?
Usqueadbaugham! Anam muck an dhoul ! Did ye drink me doornail?
I gave playing time a ballpark- I didn’t subtract games at DH for the primary starters.
Cody Ransom contributed a negative WARP3, so he raised the cost while lowering production.
Here’s the down and dirty on 3B:
Arod 116/124G= 5.3 WARP3
Ransom 23/31G= -0.45
Hairston 16/45G= 0.18
That equals 5.03 WARP in 163 games.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
Thanks. Ballparking it like that is illuminating enough. To answer my own question then, if A-Rod had been available for 162 games with the same productivity, you’d get a WARP3 of 6.9, which would’ve worked out to about $4M/win. (Actually, to be completely pedantic and picky, these values are per excess win, or wins above .500.) So, even had he been available all year, he would’ve only been slightly more cost-effective than Matsui or Burnett.
Usqueadbaugham! Anam muck an dhoul ! Did ye drink me doornail?
They are wins above replacement, not .500
I believe a replacement level team wins something like 55 games, so it is wins in excess of that (theoretically and context neutral)
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
Value and the Yankees are almost antithetical
I think people will look back at 2008, and conclude that it was the last year Cashman tried to be smart and efficient. 2009’s orgy of free agent spending suggests that future teams will go back to the model of the bad old days, when most talent was acquired by free agency and Yankee payrolls remained sky-high.
The Yankees have found some market inefficiencies all right. They can sign as many Type As as they like without worrying about draft picks (as many are protected). They can outbid anyone else on international free agents (Wang, Cano) and then dump them in the minors.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
I disagree.
The 2009 ‘orgy’ was simply re-allocating the commitments to Mussina, Pavano and Giambi. The Yanks continued to play smart with the bullpen, and Cash had to get special permission to exceed the budget and sign Tex.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
Not to mention CC and Tex
are elite talents still in their 20’s. Yeah, AJ was 32 when he signed but one advantage of all his past injuries is that his arm has relatively low mileage for a 32 yr old. Signing them isn’t the same as the acquisition of Randy Johnson, Jaret Wright, Kevin Brown, Giambi etc. Guys like CC and Tex rarely hit FA at the ages they were which made them special cases and worth blowing the bank on.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
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