I think Pettitte should get into the HOF. To me both he and Jack Morris belong in the Hall. I have heard over the past years many baseball analysts trumpet Schilling’s career and say he is a HOF’er for his post season exploits. If that is the case how can Pettitte NOT get in? Winningest post season pitcher of all time. In the post season at least he dominated his era. In his only full season with the Astro’s helped them get to their only WS.

I know I said Posada gets in, but that’s cuz of how he stacks up with the other catchers in the hall. I’m still not sure on him tho, cuz he’s just too average a defensive catcher.

Pettite’s best case is being consistent and those 5 WS rights (and also being in the WS with the Astros too)

His actual numbers tho? Not sure.

In the long run its gonna depend on what the voters determine a vaild HOF career is for a pitcher. Its kind of obvious that the 300 game winner may die out, at for a while. So what is a HOF pitcher from this era?

If Andy’s done, I gotta say no. If he plays one or even 2 more years and puts up another season like he did this one? I think he’d be one of those to eventually get tabbed as a HOFer.

Saying no is easier than saying yes.

Maddux, Rocket, Glavine and Johnson all made to 300 wins.
Pedro had an untouchable peak (though Maddux gets underrated in comparisons).
So Pettitte clearly is not among the elite of his era.

But this was an era with what seems like a large number of successful pitchers. Maybe Pettitte is a special case.

Like Mussina, Andy never won a Cy. Mussina had more wins that Pettitte (270 v. 229), a better ERA+ (123 v 116), a better K/9 (7.1 v 6.6) and a much better WHIP (1.192 v 1.361).

David Wells beats Pettitte in WHIP and wins, he has a ring.

Smoltz has a Cy and a ring, 200 wins, 150 Saves, a 1.176 WHIP, 8.0 K/9, a 125ERA+.

Curt Schilling will probably get in on his cred as a Yankee killer with 3 rings. Schilling never won a Cy (though he probably would have won one with the Diamondbacks had Johnson not been untouchable for so long. Schilling beats Pettitte in WHIP (1.137), K/9 (8.6), and ERA+ (127).

Moyer doesn’t have the peripherals of Pettitte, but he has more wins, an equal WHIP, a ring, and a very intriguing narrative.

That gives us 10 starters with a case equal to or better than Pettitte. Add in the HOF closers (Mo and Hoffman with Percival and Wagner on the fringe).
Are the BWAA going to elect a dozen pitchers to the Hall in the next 15 years? They might, but I wouldn’t bet on it.

Jack Morris couldn’t get in on the “big game pitcher” line. Jim Kaat, Tommy John, and Bert Blyleven aren’t in. Andy will be in good company.

Wagner is not in the hall of fame
As far as Pettite goes, he still needs a couple more years to get those wins up and maybe another one or two rings and he is in.
But Pettite is definitely going behind centerfield at Yankee Stadium though, without question.

Go in before Andy. Sad but true.

They will keep him out for being linked to steroids.Right or wrong that is what will decide it.

if he really wants to be a Hall of Famer, and he’s willing to do the work to be one, then he has a chance. He has the talent. But he may not want to. Remember, Mike Mussina was a Hall of Fame pitcher. He could have pitched 3-4 more years, won a championship, won 300 games and got 3000 strikeouts, and been a first round lock for the HOF. But he chose not to because it didn’t matter to him. And now it’s a debate for him. It’s not a sure thing that Mussina gets in.

With Pettitte, it’s the same thing. However, he’s further behind than Mussina. Mussina, as it stands right now, has a shot at the HOF. Pettitte, if he were to retire today, has no chance. If Pettitte plays long enough, he can create a debate for himself. I don’t think that Andy has a chance to make a sure case for himself. But if he plays longer, he can give himself a chance.

Whether he wants to do it, thats his choice.

And guys, Whitey Ford is in the Hall of Fame. Thats pretty ridiculous to say that he isn’t. Just needed to point that out.

i think he gets in. we have to keep in mind this is a new era. this is the streoid era where hitters hit 50 HRs easily and pitchers wont get 20 wins (we havent had but one or 2 in 5 years). Pettitte has the best post season stats ever and has been the mark of consistency in a tough AL east. 230 wins a sub 4 era over 2000 ks and 5 WS titles. He gets in imo because he is the best big game pitcher baseball has seen in this era.

Glavine, Maddux, Pedro, Johnson and Clemens are all definitely in (unless Clemens gets penalized, but that’s another discussion). Smoltz, Schilling and Mussina ought to be in. And then Pettite, Kevin Brown and some others are on the bubble. There are just too many guys ahead of Pettite.

I think he falls short. Sure, Andy is 94 games over .500 and W-L% of .629 is 53rd best of all-time. However, you have to consider that he’s had the sixth highest run support (5.3 runs/game) of all pitchers with at least 200 games started. Andy’s career 3.91 ERA would be the highest among those pitchers already in the HOF.

If the past season has proven anything, Pettitte and ARod performed just fine without them, so I dont think that the PEDs come into play. Look at how Manny played after coming back, PEDs obviously helped his game. Same with guys like Sosa and Gagne, no drugs, ordinary players. Bonds on the other hand, was a H.O.F. player before all the scandal, and should get in. Like Mussina, Pettitte is borderline, but if Schilling gets in, then one or both of these guys should get in.