Yankee pitchers blow it, send Series back to New York after 8-6 loss
If we knew beforehand that Cliff Lee would give up five runs in seven innings, we'd have taken it in a second and never looked back. I'm also sure we would think we'd be celebrating right now if we could score five off Lee. It was not to be.
A.J. Burnett wasn't fooling anyone. He gave up as many runs as outs: six. He was pulled in the third with runners on the corners and no outs. To give you an idea of how good Yankee starters have been, this was the first postseason start that didn't go at least six innings.
Would Burnett have fared better on full rest in Game 6? We'll never know, only that he got hit early and often. He gave up three runs (on a - who else? - Chase Utley homer) before ever recording an out.
Then, when the Yankees were making their inevitable comeback, Phil Coke served up two gopher balls (to two lefties) in one inning. That really put the game out of reach. A six-run deficit in the eighth was a bit too large for the Yanks to overcome, though they gave it their all, rallying to get within two. It's not like Marte should have been unavailable: yes, he he saw action in the previous two games, but only threw four pitches last night.
If there were some positives to take from this game, it would be the performances of Robertson, Aceves and Hughes, the avoidance of Mo, and that the Yankees are swinging the bats well. Hopefully it means Pedro gets tattooed in Game 6.
Let's not all go crazy during the off-day tomorrow. There will be a lot of anxiety, but it doesn't mean we have to kill each other.
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2 IP and 6 R
Chad Gaudin could have done that!
God DAMN IT.
by PortlandYankee on Nov 2, 2009 11:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
And then we would be relying on AJ instead of Andy
I like AJ and I am glad he is a Yankee, but I dont want him out there in game 6. I will take Andy versus Pedro at home in the playoffs any day of the week. Look on the bright side we get one more Yankee game this season.
by YankeesJets on Nov 2, 2009 11:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, and AJ could have done that in Game 6 on full rest. Again, it’s the risk you take by running AJ out there. He is maddeningly inconsistent. Play with the hypotheticals all you want. There’s no time machine. Get over it, move on, and get ready for Game 6
Thank God for making us Yankees.
by noonoo on Nov 2, 2009 11:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, it is time to move on.
I keep telling myself this with the Jets too, but I cant.
by YankeesJets on Nov 2, 2009 11:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
JETS STINK.
WHere is your buddy Ryan with his Fat mouth now? LMAO
by McDaniel on Nov 3, 2009 8:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Jets look better than the Giants currently
And thats missing their two best players. The Giants look lost and are lucky they had those easy games. The Giants were a SB pick before the season started, and the Jets were in rebuilding mode with a rookie coach and QB, if they played each other right now, the Jets would win.
by YankeesJets on Nov 3, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no way man
He would’ve pitched much better!
"We're only going to score 17 points?"
by Edgware on Nov 3, 2009 12:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It was bound to happen
AJ has been great until this point. And it was bound to happen, AJ is known for blowing up every now and again and he did it last night. That’s fine with me, we made it to the World Series with the help of his pitching to get us here. And he hasn’t F-ed up until this point. We are up 3 – 2 in the World Series and we just need one. I am fine with that. Now Andy is going to bring this title home to the Bronx. LETS GO YANKEES!
by McDaniel on Nov 3, 2009 8:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A position player could have done that
I was such a dangerous hitter I even got intentional walks in batting practice. ~Casey Stengel, 1967
by tarheel_highlander on Nov 2, 2009 11:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
damn, i didn't know what 3 2 1 meant
i forgot what i was saying.
" You F@#$ed Up, You Trusted Us!"
by GTWYankee on Nov 2, 2009 11:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The threads close better than Brad Lidge
I was such a dangerous hitter I even got intentional walks in batting practice. ~Casey Stengel, 1967
by tarheel_highlander on Nov 2, 2009 11:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
philly fans all happy?
funny…15 minutes ago i believe half of the fans their was shitting themselves…
by NYYWinsRings26 on Nov 2, 2009 11:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i feel like derek jeter's DP kinda killed the rally at the end.
But i DO enjoy the idea of winning it @ home…….
by typhical on Nov 2, 2009 11:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It was those extra runs that killed us
I was such a dangerous hitter I even got intentional walks in batting practice. ~Casey Stengel, 1967
by tarheel_highlander on Nov 2, 2009 11:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they shouldve ran Pena for Matsui.
Pena couldve affected the pitcher, with Matsui, they know he isnt going anywhere. I wouldve had Pena steal too. I know Jeter is a saint but he does hit into a lot of DPs. If you have 2nd and third or a hit and run, Jeters ball gets through.
by YankeesJets on Nov 2, 2009 11:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking the same thing...how do you not run for Matsui in that situation?
by PortlandYankee on Nov 2, 2009 11:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
girardi was prolly thinking
if the game goes into extra innings they might need his bat.
by typhical on Nov 2, 2009 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
After the way Girardi used pinch runners in the ALCS, color me shocked.
Boy, AJ sure is pissed.
by YankeesJets on Nov 2, 2009 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
u gotta extend the game b4 u worry about "what can happen"
by BernBabyBern on Nov 2, 2009 11:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
u gotta extend the game b4 u worry about "what can happen"
by BernBabyBern on Nov 2, 2009 11:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
The Yankees showed some fight
We had the tying run back to the plate. Five runs off Lee is no small feat. With the Phillies’ ace out of the way, it’s their backs to the wall the rest of the way.
by Scooby Snacks on Nov 2, 2009 11:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah and let's not forget
how we handled all the non cliff lee starters
I was such a dangerous hitter I even got intentional walks in batting practice. ~Casey Stengel, 1967
by tarheel_highlander on Nov 2, 2009 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i picked Yanks in 6
wow, Burnett was horrible. granted he had to try and hit a strike zone the size of a frickin thimble, but you still shouldn’t leave breaking balls hanging like he was. Lee wasn’t nearly as good, 5ER but still effective. granted he got some generous strikes in his favor all game. the Yanks bullpen looked good minus the two HRs given up by Coke (here’s an idea, STOP PITCHING TO UTLEY). the Yankees didn’t give up, cutting the 6 run lead to 2. however, all night they still took too many good pitches that were more than hittable. i don’t know what the hell Tex was swinging at in his last at bat, 2 balls just barely off the dirt. i like our chances, but i don’t like the idea of Pettite on short rest (i didn’t like the thought of Mr. Unreliable on short rest but expected better than 6 ER). i still can’t figure out why Girardi didn’t pinch run Pena for Matsui.
"When my time on Earth is gone, and my activities here are past, I want they bury me upside down so all my critics can kiss my a**"- Bob Knight
by JumpinJackFlash on Nov 2, 2009 11:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ur right
Insurance runs always means so much. Never take a lead for granted. Coke, come on man. At least I got another day to live this season out… Don’t know what I’ll do when it’s alln over
by BernBabyBern on Nov 2, 2009 11:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I think Cowboy Joe West Is Umping the next game
Looks like it is gonna be an offensive game.
by YankeesJets on Nov 2, 2009 11:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
But he's a pitchers umpire.
We usually do good in games where he’s the ump, which should allow andy to pitch away from both the lefties and righties. I look for the offense to get it goin early.
by Jipeon on Nov 3, 2009 6:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Coke just said he wanted the ball again tomorrow
Better tomorrow than on Wednesday. I hope nobody tells him there is no game tomorrow.
by YankeesJets on Nov 2, 2009 11:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No way
Marte and Seven-out! Mo save FTW!!!!
by Scooby Snacks on Nov 2, 2009 11:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like the spirit
Unlike that guy named hamels.. Who’s weaker him or Burnett
by BernBabyBern on Nov 2, 2009 11:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Coke makes more excuses than my Jets
He should just keep quiet.
by YankeesJets on Nov 3, 2009 12:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hamels is weaker
Burnett was squeezed and on three days rest, Hamels wants to go home. I would trust Jaime Moyer over Cole Hamels right now.
by YankeesJets on Nov 3, 2009 12:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone know Pettite's history of pitching on 3 days rest?
by Monotonousblob on Nov 3, 2009 12:02 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
well this year he has an ERA of 4.16
so I guess he’s better on short rest (staying positive), those years playing for the Astros hurt him
by Monotonousblob on Nov 3, 2009 12:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
These statistics, however are possibly a little deceiving. He had two seasons which spike all of his stats: 1995, he allowed 7 earned runs in two starts (9.2 innings). I think it’s safe to toss out that season, however, as it was his rookie season and he’d thrown far more innings than he’d ever thrown in his career. His awful 2001 start against the D-backs in the World Series, however, you have to, at least, take into consideration. That was his second start on short rest, however, while this would be the first time he’d be asked to do this by Girardi.
Joe has also been very careful to keep Andy well rested and he’s had many extra rest days in the postseason so the danger of a real stinker should be lessened. Take out those two bad years and you have ERA’s of 3.46, 3.66, 2.01, & 3.79 – not too shabby.
by Scooby Snacks on Nov 3, 2009 12:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dont forget in 2001 he was tipping pitches
by YankeesJets on Nov 3, 2009 12:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Throw the stats and the predictions out. There's no way
to know until he gets out there on Wednesday — on 3-days rest. Though Pedro will be rested, we still don’t know how “real” he is either.
Game 6 is a frikkin crapshoot. And if the crap hits the fans, we got CC with the series tied on what by now is probly 1/2 a tank.
We better hit. Often and early.
by rosebud on Nov 3, 2009 12:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
God i hope gerardi learns to not pitch to utley...
Im serious….its pretty well prooven he’s locked in?
by NYYWinsRings26 on Nov 3, 2009 12:05 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
He has a shot of winning WS MVP
Even when the Phillies lose.
by Monotonousblob on Nov 3, 2009 12:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
seriously!
THE DUDE IS JUST IN THE ZONE.
Its enough already…wise up…and walk him every time…
by NYYWinsRings26 on Nov 3, 2009 12:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's the only real reason the Phillies weren't swept
or at least haven’t lost in 5
by Monotonousblob on Nov 3, 2009 12:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And i dont even mind that he hit the first 2...fine...
But fool me once shame on you….fool me twice?….it helpsus loose a possible clincher…Yes we win wed…
But if gerardi hasn’t smartened up yet by then…wow….
by NYYWinsRings26 on Nov 3, 2009 12:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take Utley locked in
over status quo Utley and Ryan Howard any day.
by Scooby Snacks on Nov 3, 2009 12:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But this aint status quo ryan howard and utley...
its utley and ruiz…..lol….not utley and howard….howard has prooven he his not a threat against us liek utley is…why not take advantage of that?
by NYYWinsRings26 on Nov 3, 2009 12:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just feel Howard is still dangerous
just like the way we feel about Tex being able to knock one out with a good swing.
by Scooby Snacks on Nov 3, 2009 12:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He is still very dangerous
This guy cant be overlooked.
by YankeesJets on Nov 3, 2009 12:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No....im not saying over look him..im saying..
why would you pitch to the hot bat….when the cool bat is behind him….utley was responsible for like 5 rbi’s tonight…take that bat out of the equation…we probbaly hoist the trophy tonight…come on now…
Dont let the past dictate the present…and the present shows howard is cold and utley is on fire!!
by NYYWinsRings26 on Nov 3, 2009 12:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Because that cool bat is one swing away from being hot again
by YankeesJets on Nov 3, 2009 12:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
evefry cool bat is...come on...
nyway….w/e…agree to disagree…we win wed. go yanks….
by NYYWinsRings26 on Nov 3, 2009 12:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats the spirit
Screw Utley and Howard, lets go get this thing!
by YankeesJets on Nov 3, 2009 12:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
was bobby Richardson the last one ?
by BernBabyBern on Nov 3, 2009 12:09 AM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Really wrong decisions (for right reasons?)
It seemed Girardi was doing the smart thing. Losing 6-2 to Lee, he was trying out the pitchers he had questions about (Robertson, Aceves, Coke, Hughes) to see which ones he would feel confident using Wednesday and Thursday at Yankee (probably figuring Andy might go only five or six innings, and figuring he could use Mo for two if the Yanks were ahead in the seventh.
So how is he to know that the Yanks would score six? If he did, he probably would have used Marte instead of Coke.
[Still bummed that the Yanks still would have had a good chance if Jeter didn’t hit into that double play. Man, that was a crushing blow. And then Teixeira striking out for the last out. So many Yankees in an incredibly bad funk. Teixeira, Cano (hate to say this, but his entire career he’s been pretty awful in pressure situations). Thank god Matsui will be hitting at the Stadium and with no A.J. we will be allowed to have Posada’s bat in the lineup rather than Molina’s abysmal one.]
There will be, of course, lots of second guessing for Girardi’s decision. I have nothing to say about it, although I felt that with a 3-1 lead he should have started Gaudin, but I just have to assume that Girardi knows a lot more about his team than I do. But I will say that, as at least a knowledgeable fan (I think) who’s watched and gone to Yankee games since Mantle and Berra and Ford were playing and Casey was managing, that I’ve questioned a lot of Girardi’s decisions the last two years a helluva lot.
I just hope that other Yankees pitching on three days rest do better than A.J. Hopefully, if nothing else, A-Rod can bail them out again if they get in trouble.
by yankee-face on Nov 3, 2009 12:22 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
It's all good folks
Nothing better than having the ghosts watch the Yankees clinch it in their new home. I would love to see a fourth starter for the Yankees in the next post season. 3 days rest for 3 pitchers is tempting fate. Will it be Wang? Will it be Hughes? Maybe Joba? Does Andy retire when we win it all? But either way I cannot wait for Weds. Seems apropos for Andy to try and clinch it at home and extend his post season win record.
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Nov 3, 2009 12:26 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Has Manuel announced who will pitch Game 6? Has he confirmed that it’ll be Pedro?
Thank God for making us Yankees.
by noonoo on Nov 3, 2009 12:36 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
For all of you wondering why Pena did not come in to run for Matsui in the 9th, the answer is simple. Joe Giradi is our manager! He works very had to do the wrong things. Do you really expect him to do anything right? Think about this. Pena was called up yesterday to replace Melky on the roster. Well, he certainly isn’t going to replace any of our infielders, and he will only be used as a PH in a desperate situation, if at all, so what else can he do? How about being a pinch runner for one of the slower guys on our team? And if Girardi was thinking about losing Matsui’s bat if the game goes extra innings, he should get a new brain. The Yanks were down by 4 runs in the 9th inning! And why didn’t he bring in Marte instead of Coke? Marte has been pitching well and has been a Girardi favorite so he shifts gears and goes with Coke instead, who promptly gives up 2 HRs. Had Marte done the job, then perhaps we would still be playing. Then again, if someone asks Girardi why, you will always get his canned answer, “we liked the matchup”.
by TimSnit on Nov 3, 2009 12:45 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
You are really going to knock Girardi with the Yankees up 3-2 going home?
I think Girardi has earned a pass by getting us a win away from number 27.
by YankeesJets on Nov 3, 2009 12:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
For all the reasons mentioned above, and pitching to Utley.
by bronxbound on Nov 3, 2009 7:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Its easy to second guess girardi in a loss
i think the only mistake he made tonight was not pinch running for matsui, thats a no brainer hes in there for the pitcher he couldnt have hit again anyway…..that being said im getting sick of all the second guessing of joe, its his first post season as a coach and he cant get everything right, i think what he has done so far this season is worthy of much appriciation, he will have us ready for game 6, as stated before andy may only have 5 maybe 6 innings in him and he needs to know who he can go to to get us to the 8th……yanks in 6!!!!! lets go
by On The Yanks of the Rivera on Nov 3, 2009 12:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Personally...
I think they should hit Utley. With A-rod and Tex getting plunked of a total of 5 times, and the cold Howard on deck, why not? Especially if Andy gets the first 2 out.
by Jipeon on Nov 3, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can I please just say one thing
…..Why the hell are we pitching to Utley. It’s like playing with fire. Sure you have to deal with Howard, but he hasn’t been lighting up balls like the fourth of july off us. Just my 2 cents.
For the Love of the Game
by ForTheLove on Nov 3, 2009 1:10 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
its alright, now we can win in our home town
"Yes we lost and yes we are upset. But like all Champs we will bounce back."
Osi umenyiora
by donnybaseball23 on Nov 3, 2009 7:07 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I hate to say I told ya so........
I’ve been a yankee fan since the late sixties. I saw absolutely no positives in deciding to use AJ (on 3 days rest) . IF the yankees blow this series. This will prove to be the turning point. If your facing a pitcher who’s as tough to hit right now as Lee is why send out a much weaker lineup. If Gaudan pitched last night, yanks may have still lost but then AJ would been set up to go Wednesday AT HOME we he’s been MUCH more effective. Petite who has been a big game pitcher through out his career, has been extremely inconsistent as well now he has to do what AJ couldn’t (i don’t think Andy’s been all that successful either) go on short rest since now all you’ve done is give the phillies the one thing they’ve been missing all series……..confidence.!!!!!!!!!!!
by njwhistler on Nov 3, 2009 10:04 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Gaudin
Why hasn"t Girardi used Gaudin at all????
by Yankeecrazy on Nov 3, 2009 10:43 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Isn't this why we all love baseball?
A single swing of the bat, a misplaced pitch, a trip in the infield… the whole game changes. I went from excited to see the Phillies win this game with a huge lead to chewing on my hat hoping we’d finish that 9th inning. And that’s baseball.
This has been a great series folks! And its only getting more exciting. Good luck in G6! May the best team win!
by glitched on Nov 3, 2009 11:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

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