Pull AJ Back?
I know this sounds a bit crazy but give it some thought. AJ on normal rest at home with the DH. Home/road splits show AJ better at home and against Pedro whom has a really crappy ERA at Yankee stadium (even if it is new). Doubtful Cliff Lee will have a bad game and in addition to not having a DH, you take Posada out of the mix too. What does everyone think, it might be crazy but I think it's the right thing to do.
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I disagree
On the base that it’s the WORLD SERIES. AJ will have the next 4 months to rest his ass. This is what he’s getting paid money to do. I think every pitcher (sans those who are gettin’ up there in age) should be able to pitch when needed. We need AJ, not Gaudin who hasn’t pitched in an eternity. I want to win it now, not next year.
I’d rather we lose with our best than half-assing it just so it can go back to the Bronx.
by jigglytuffy on Nov 2, 2009 1:03 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
agreed
we just don’t know how AJ will do on short rest. it also means AP and CC will be on short rest (if necessary) in 6 & 7.
it seems like a better matchup to have Lee vs. Gaudin, then Pedro vs. AJ (at home on normal rest) and Hamels vs. AP (at home on normal rest) THAN Lee vs. AJ (away on short rest), Pedro vs. AP (short rest) and Hamels vs. CC (again on short rest).
that’s one big matchup against us (Lee vs. Gaudin), but let’s face it, what are the odds AJ, on short rest, outpitches the hottest pitcher in MLB? it makes every Yankee start from here on out a ‘short rest start.’
yes, they have all winter to rest, but that’s really meaningless. what matters is how they’re feeling coming into the game.
the better idea (imo) is to give up the pitching matchup in Game 5 in order to get the edge in 6 & 7. i dislike the idea of AJ, AP and CC all on short rest against Philly’s fully rested SPs. i feel we have a better chance of winning one game if we let AJ & AP get their full rest.
but i hope i’m wrong…
by Travis G on Nov 2, 2009 1:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
(I think my original post disappeared)
We don’t know how Lee will do on regular rest. There are no guarantee’s in this game. I don’t believe in quitting when we are so close to finishing this thing. Gaudin hasn’t pitched in months and we are all of a sudden supposed to believe that he is superior to AJ? When the man was pitching reguarly he wasn’t all that great, keep in mind.
Let’s try and not give the opposing team any momentum? We go with the guys that got us this far. I’d rather lose with them.
by jigglytuffy on Nov 2, 2009 2:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why Not Just Forfeit The Game?
Let The Yankees go back to the stadium early to prepare for game 6. Lee Is not unbeatable and AJ can dominate a team that looks beaten. Please stop with the start Gaudin debate. It is so dumb.
by YankeesJets on Nov 2, 2009 2:05 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don't mind AJ on short rest
but I worry that every pitcher from here on out is on short rest. If Gaudin is in, we have AJ on normal rest and CC on short rest, but Andy is also ready to come in and be a reliable pitcher out of the pen if need be.
by GMan83201 on Nov 2, 2009 2:07 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
So AJ will go on short rest without his catcher?
I doubt it. Posada will be in the game later though.
by YankeesJets on Nov 2, 2009 2:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope. Molina catches. Which would be another reason to pitch Gaudin.
You lose both Posada and Matsui.
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Nov 2, 2009 2:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Seemed to work fine the other day...
C’mon doesn’t anyone have faith in anyone? Goodness…
by jigglytuffy on Nov 2, 2009 2:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Who said ANYTHING about having faith
Seriously man think before you write. Molina caught AJ in the Bronx in which the DH is in play. I am not saying AJ wont pitch well tomorrow. I AM saying there is a logic to holding him back to game 6:
1) AJ AND Andy get full rest
2) Chances are we lost Melky so since Molina catches AJ you will be losing Posada, Matsui, and Melky against Cliff Lee
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Nov 2, 2009 3:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You dont need Posada if AJ pitches the way he did in game 2
When will you stop second guessing Girardi? He has proven you wrong every single time. Now that you guys finally get Gardner, you dont want him? I remember just a few games ago when I thought it was written here that Mr .270 was being wasted as only a pinch runner. I hope you are hungry tomorrow, cause AJ, Girardi and Molina are cooking up some humble pie for ya.
by YankeesJets on Nov 2, 2009 3:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You don't lose Matsui with the move
He’s already lost. I get the point that you’re making, though – in a lineup that already has Matsui and Melke out (assuming that the hammy forces Gardner in against a tough lefty), putting Molina in really makes the lineup different.
Even saying that, though, I still pitch AJ. Gardner’s splits against lefties (.291/.381/.400) are actually better than against righties (.264/.335/.373). And over-rested right-handed sinkerball pitchers against that lineup in that park, I put my money on AJ and Pettite and CC.
by d_c_guy on Nov 2, 2009 10:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't disagree
AJ is probably our best chance of winning in 5
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Nov 2, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no...
go right after it tonight end it in philly. right infront of there fans… remember who better to close out game 6 then andy….. plus i wouldent be shocked to see aj outduel lee, aj has got fire and i love it….. he can be hit or miss but couldent have signed a better guy then him…. they really brought in the right guys this year. aj swish, cc, these cats wanna win…..
by capizm on Nov 2, 2009 6:21 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I can't stand this crap.
While for all I and anyone knows Gaudin can go out and pitch a hell of a game.
But why “concede the matchup”? Are you serious? Why the hell would you want to give them such a big pitching advantage and allow them to come back in the series?
I aint worried about Andy on 3 days, and I sure as hell ain’t worried about CC either.
There’s nothing wrong with the 3 man rotation.
“Tactically” going about game 5 by throwing Gaudin out there…you don’t do that.
We have a chance to win the series. Why anyone is even thinking about what to do to extend the series, I don’t know.
F Cliff Lee. Beat the hell out of him today.
AJ deal. Joba. MO. #27.
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 2, 2009 7:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Step on their throats while you have the chance. There will be no ‘right way’ to lose this game. Put the best players available on the field and let them play.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
by jscape2000 on Nov 2, 2009 7:43 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
You make a valid point
but I just don’t think its fair to ask Gaudin to start this game. He hasn’t thrown a pitch under duress in at least a month. You might be setting him up for failure. Lee is a great pitcher but I think AJ gives us the best option to win tonight. I wish Gaudin was a viable option but he hasn’t pitched in so long I just can’t see putting him in tonight.
by bronx joey on Nov 2, 2009 7:46 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Let;s be civil
There are two reasonable points of view.
Mine is that we are trying to maximize the probability of winning the series. That means maximizing the probability of winning one more game. I think throwing Gaudin (and/or Aceves) makes sense because it makes the Yankees big favorites in each of the two games in New York. If Burnett loses to Lee tonight, all of a sudden, the two games in New York are much closer to toss-ups (Pedro on full rest vs. Andy on 3 and Hamels on full rest vs. CC on 3 for the second time in a row).
However, I understand the “end it now” mentality. We don’t have to worry about games 6 and 7 if we win tonight, and the probability of doing that is greater if Burnett pitches. The point about Gaudin’s staleness is also an important one. I lean toward the Gaudin option because I think even with AJ, we are underdogs tonight, putting games 6 and 7 in play.
by stusviews on Nov 2, 2009 8:16 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Start Gaudin!!
And let him hit every Philly in the head until he gets ejected, then bring in someone else. ;-)
I’m for AJ, let’s try and finish it tonight.
I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
I got bored and made a blog!! SCS
by VolBrian on Nov 2, 2009 8:36 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Also remember that
Lee has not faced a team more than one game in the post season. I wonder if the second time around will be a benefit to the Yankees.
by coops2001 on Nov 2, 2009 8:45 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Usually is with us
Plus, they have the experience from his Cleveland days. I think we’ll touch him up a little tonight. At least moreso than Game 1
I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
I got bored and made a blog!! SCS
by VolBrian on Nov 2, 2009 9:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Before Game 1, we hit Lee at a healthy .320 as a team.
"It's only fun if you win, Skip." -- Me.
by Paul O'Neill on Nov 2, 2009 11:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
more than enough reason to thing they pound the hell out of him today.
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 2, 2009 11:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
DO NOT START GUADIN
AJ will be fine with 3 days rest. It is over rated anyways! Trust me his arm will be fine, it is the World Series and this will be the last time he pitches this year. This article blows.
by McDaniel on Nov 2, 2009 9:04 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
The real question is whether AJ Burnett pitching on 3-days rest gives the Yankees a better chance to win than Chad Gaudin does on 14-days rest. Or to put it another way, is Burnett pitching at perhaps 90% strength still better than Gaudin at 100%?
I think the answer to both questions is “yes”.
You don’t concede games in the World Series. Never. Ever. I don’t care if you’re up three games to none. After Thursday, or perhaps sooner, Burnett, Pettitte, and Sabathia won’t have to throw another pitch until early March.
I’m not sure that there is any medical or scientific explanation as to why a veteran pitcher like Burnett “needs” 4 days of rest, as opposed to 3, in between starts. But, as if often the case in life, when people do something often enough, for long enough, it’s difficult to go against the grain.
Cliff Lee is a good pitcher, but he still makes mistakes. After giving up exactly one or zero runs in his first six starts with Philadelphia, he proceeded to give up 6, 6, 4, 0, 1, and 7 runs in his next six starts.
by 3460kuri on Nov 2, 2009 9:23 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
actually...
I’m farily certain that pitchers have a bullpen session on their 3rd day from a start.
They’ve kept AJ healthy and fresh all season. He has not gone 3 days ALL YEAR.
Why the hell is this even a debate?
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 2, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well not so much a debate
But NOT going with AJ would have it’s own merits as well.
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Nov 2, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
its does.
I see the logic behind it 100% too.
BUT, that logic takes into account that we’d not be putting our best team out there, that we could, for game 5.
Its like sacrificing a person for the good of society. Yea..it may overall make sense…but do you REALLY want to do it?
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 2, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well that is the argument
By putting AJ in your are putting your best pitcher in on 3 days rest and removing a power hitter who just knocked in 2 runs in the 9th. So what you gain in pitching you may be losing in offense especially since you are already losing your DH. So you are not EXACTLY putting your best team on the field with AJ in the NL park.
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Nov 2, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot about Molina...
and the whole 2 pitchers hitting thing…
so yea, that too.
Either way..I still think the AJ/Molina combo gives a better shot to win than Gaudin/Posada, simply cuz Posada probably will be playing in the 9th anyway…..
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 2, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
While I'd go with Molina/Burnett combo
for the pitching (and wearing out a path to the the mound!). I think if Burnett looks less than effective and we can’t figure out Lee, I’d put in Posada. I like his .308 with 5 RBI in just 4 WS games.
What is the over/under in Molina/Burnett conferences on the mound?
by coops2001 on Nov 2, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's not forget
This is the last start for all of these pitchers, no reason to hold anything back. I think giving one of the bullpen guys ( Aceved, Gaudin) a start in a close out game after they haven’t pitched in a real game in how long in crazy. A.J. is going to leave it all out there, and you just have to hope Mr. Lee isn’t as precise as he was in Game 1 with the pressure he has ( win or go home). The defending champs have to be a little tight going into the game.
Just a side thought I had last night when Joba gave up the homer. IF, the Yanks lost last night, and Lee wins tonight to put the Phils UP 3-2 going back to NY, Pedro would have had a chance to pitch a close out game against the Yankees at the Stadium. How ugly would that scenario have been?!!
by fredny on Nov 2, 2009 9:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
You know my feelings on this
You don’t play to win the Game…you play to win the Series!!! Usually, these things are the same. But not always.
We could have pitched Mo 2 innings last night to finish off Game 4. Why didn’t we? Because we knew we might need him in Game 5. That’s playing to win the Series, even if it weakens us in one game.
We are up 3-1. We have to win one more game, and have 2 shots at home. A fully rested AJ is at least a toss-up against Pedro, and if all else fails Hamels will implode on the road against CC.
But by putting AJ in tonight and forcing Andy to go on 3 days if that fails, we haven’t helped ourselves for Game 5, we’ve weakened ourselves for Game 6, and Game 7 is in our favor but far from certain (and the noose starts to get tight if we go from 3-1 to 3-3).
Put Gaudin in tonight for 3 innings, then Ace for 3 innings, then Joba for 1. If Cliff Lee turns out to be human, bring in Mo for 2 to finish it off. But if Lee is “on,” it doesn’t matter who is on that mound against him.
With this move Joe is managing like he’s down 1-3, not up 3-1.
by PortlandYankee on Nov 2, 2009 10:36 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
WE PLAY TODAY, WE WIN TODAY...DAS ET!
I think we can win with Gaudin.
"It's only fun if you win, Skip." -- Me.
by Paul O'Neill on Nov 2, 2009 11:07 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
me too...
BUT…why?
I see no reason at all to go and give Philly hope by putting an inferior pitcher out there.
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 2, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I'm an idiot --
But why would you weaken yourself in the next three games over a toss-up game anyway? And before you say “there are no toss up games in the World Sereis,” hear me out.
Burnett is on three game’s rest. If AJ loses, you know the scenario — Andy on short rest and CC on short rest. You’re in a position of strength — we’re winning 3 games to 1. Let’s have FUN tonight. Throw Gaudin, take some aggressive swings on Lee, have a ball. We lose? Fuck it. We’ll be back home for Game 6, with a fully rested AJ Burnett ready for a Game 2 repeat.
By throwing AJ tonight, you actually give the Phillies hope. If I’m a Phillie, I’m thinking , "gee, beat Burnett tonight, and we have Pettitte on short rest, and Sabathia, which hasn’t been “lights out” against this team the way he was against the Twins and Angels, on short rest, as well.
Bottom line — you’re broke tonight anyway. Play from a position of strength and guarantee your big boys the rest a 3-1 series lead is supposed to give them. That’s what the lead is for.
Besides, who says Gaudin can’t give us some good innings here? I hate the lack of faith in the guy.
"It's only fun if you win, Skip." -- Me.
by Paul O'Neill on Nov 2, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Both sides have merit
It is a coin toss really. Hopefully it works out with AJ because I would love to see him beat Cliff Lee and clinch the title.
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Nov 2, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
in no way am I calling anyone on the Gaudin side an idiot...
I can see that argument and if Girardi was going with it, or makes this last second switch I have no problem with it either.
Its just, if you throw Gaudin and have a F’it game….they beat the hell out of the Yanks and then what for game 6?
I still don’t see how Andy on short rest and CC on short rest gives any less of an advantage than Pedro and Hamels on regular rest.
Especially given, if those 2 starts happen, they’ll be at home.
I just don’t like giving a team a better chance to win a game.
Especially, even if the potential next 2, regardless of whether the Yanks starter is on short rest…is on the Yanks side anyway.
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 2, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not to jazzed
about AJ and Pettite going on short rest either, but starting Gaudin tonight means AJ would start Game 6 in New York and then Pettite instead of Sabathia? The idea I believe was to get Sabathia out there as often as possible. If you start Gaudin and then Burnett, is it Pettite’s job to be the first out of the bullpen in the event CC does not have it or is it simply nice to have a pitcher with 4-days rest available in a game he WON’T EVEN BE starting It only benefits Pettite if Pettite pitches Game 7, but I can’t see any way the yanks would entrust the biggest gaae of the season to anyone other than CC. Our best hope for everyone to get their full rest is a rainout on Wednesday. That puts Pettite and Sabathia back to working on normal rest. This is the price we pay for going with three men but I’m confident that had Girardi not used CC last night we’d have lost. Gaudin would not have pitched better and the bullpen would have been taxed even more. Would you rather be tied 2-2 with three rested pitchers or ahead 3-1 with pitchers who are just sligthly more tired? What counts is the Game that’s being played today. Your logic is valid but we just don’t have viable options to put it into place.
by chambliss76 on Nov 2, 2009 12:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think the whole idea is
CC for game 7 if necessary anyway. Then, all hands would forseably be on deck anyway, including Pettite (and probably AJ too…)
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 2, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
After some more thought...
I am still on the fence.. I can see points for both. I was leaning towards pulling AJ last night and then back to AJ for today and now I am back for pulling AJ. It comes down to A) Have the Yankees made the adjustments to get to Lee (if there are any to be made, he throws a shedload of strikes), B) Is Lee going to be the dominant pitcher tonight or is he going to miss spots and get lit up. Whoever said, “you play for the series, not the game” is correct but this game IS the series if they win. I think it’s an awful gamble beacuse if AJ does not win tonight, I can see this going 7 games.
by RuBiCaNT on Nov 2, 2009 1:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Go With The Best
AJ is in a different class of pitcher from Gaudin, and is the Yanks BEST chance of winning tonight.
The forecast for the possible return to Yankee Stadium is a cold, wet, and possibly snowy one which will potentially give a postponement to one of the games and that will give us in a worst case scenario a fully rested CC in game 7
by bawlbrkr on Nov 2, 2009 3:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Another thought....
What if, we have AJ start tonight, and then Gaudin pitch in Game 6 (if necessary).
Now, before you throw in your comments about not trusting Pettite, that isn’t true. I do. But pushing Pettite on 3-days rest? I’m not so hot about that. CC, fine, he’s done it before and he’s done a hell of a job. AJ? He’s fairly young, and seems like he’d be able to manage. But Pettite’s pretty old, and rushing him back for Game 6 might not be beneficial to our cause? What if we threw in a spot start for Gaudin for Game 6, keep him on a fairly short leash, and try to mix-and-match the bullpen? You pretty much KNOW what you’ll get out of CC in Game 7, plus Pettite could chip in then too, if necessary.
What do you guys think?
by Vancouverguy on Nov 2, 2009 5:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah....
No more 3-day-rest starts for AJ…
by RuBiCaNT on Nov 2, 2009 10:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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