A little criticism after a great win
Gotta get this stuff off my chest (I wrote it right after Feliz tied the game off Joba) -
[Rant on]
What the hell was Joba thinking?! He was ahead of Feliz 1-2, then bounced consecutive sliders. He should've gone to a fastball on 2-2, but since he didn't, everyone in the ballpark knew a fastball was coming on 3-2. That would've been the time to risk another slider. Maybe if the fastball had been right on the black it wouldn't have been so bad, but it was up and over the middle of the plate. Feliz knocked it over the left-field wall to tie the game in the eighth. I also gotta put some blame on Jorge's shoulders for calling that poor sequence...
On the subject of Jorge, I know he went 1-3 with three (big) RBI and a walk, but his mental facilities have begun to fail him. Exhibit A: Utley's homerun - Sabathia (and Posada) knew Utley was seeing CC's fastball well (his two HRs in Game 1 were on FBs, as was his double in Game 4), so they instead used a steady diet of breaking balls. Sure, that's nice for a while, but you can't throw sliders exclusively. In Utley's seventh inning AB, they threw five sliders: no fastballs, no changeups, only sliders, and Utley sat on the fifth one and drilled it into the stands. Now I know the pitcher is ultimately responsible for the actual pitch, but sometimes he just wants the catcher do the thinking so he can get into a rhythm of getting the ball and throwing the ball without 'over-analyzing'.
Exhibit B: he allowed Ryan 'I have 10 steals in my career' Howard to steal a base. And then, a couple batters later, dropped a throw to potentially nail Howard at the plate. As I've been telling my father-in-law, we need to keep the DH spot open because Jorge's still signed for two more years. His catching duties will recede as times goes by - by 2011 he may even be the BUC.
Exhibit C: on top of all that, he ran his team out of the ninth inning by jogging into second-base? I don't get it. The Phillies had zero chance of getting A-Rod at home, so why end the inning so meekly?
[Rant off]
Let's win it tonight!
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Whatever!
Lets get number 27 tonight and wrap this up! GO YANKEES! Posada will be our DH in 2011 and his catching abilities suck. Joba has done this all year with that horrible fastball up and over the middle of the plate. IT is location and he lost it. He’ll get better next year. GO YANKEES!
by McDaniel on Nov 2, 2009 9:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Your joking right?
He fumbled the ball, so sure kill him for the steal. But that was a catchable ball Damon then threw like a girl. If Damon handles either end of that play better, ninth inning heroics are necessary.
Jorge is a perfectly adequate catcher. He’s not Bill Dickey, but he’s a Hall of Famer, and it’s too early to end his defensive career.
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by jscape2000 on Nov 2, 2009 9:14 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
WOW..
Travis… Think before you rant.
I think jscape said it…who was covering second? Maybe that’s why Johnny fumbled the ball in the first place…CUZ HE DIDN’T WANT TO THROW IT IN CF?/
also, why would anyone be concerned with Howard running? he never does..its just such a surprised.
Also to the catch at home plate? Jorge is a tough guy…but I’m sure he saw 300lbs of Ryan Howard barreling in at him and took his eye off that one for a second. This is debatable by some who think they are too tought to have a natural reaction…but whatever.
Oh…and that 3rd out in the 9th?
We have this closer, Mariano Rivera? The game was over before Jorge did anything at the plate, cuz the Yanks were up by one run.
If the Yanks were down 3 or 4? Then he’s a moron.
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by FreeBradshaw on Nov 2, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
***Jorge fumbled....
think before you post FB…
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by FreeBradshaw on Nov 2, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree about the 9th
They were actually up by 3 before Jorge was out at second. With that lead, Mo coming in and 2 outs, I have no problem with trying to stretch that into scoring position.
by Jaybat on Nov 2, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jorge
I love the guy, but he has been a horrible base runner for a long time, not just the slowness, he doesn’t read the ball well when it’s in the outfield, but that’s Jorge. Remember the double play ( that wasn’t a DP?) against the Angels with him and Cano, both, not standing on third? When Cano got to 3rd, why didn’t Posada just stop and get tagged? Who would you rather have on 3rd with 2 outs, Posada or Cano?
by fredny on Nov 2, 2009 9:29 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Jorgie's getting a little loco en la cabeza in his old age --
Picking fights with teams that are 15 games under .500 over something that didn’t merit a fight, getting angry at pitchers, passed balls nowhere near his glove, dropped relay throws, already horrible baserunning somehow getting worse, funny faces while he’s in the batter’s box.
I agree that Jorgie screwed up on Damon’s throw, even though I’d be a little nervous if I had an 800-pound rhino in Howard bearing down on me on the play. That ball shouldn’t have taken so long to come home (sorry Johnny), and serves as nothing more than another reminder of how much we need an arm out there.
As for the baserunning “mistake” last night in running to second to “make sure” Alex scored —
Forgive me, but I have long argued that Jorge Posada is the worst baserunner (not the slowest, the worst, which is different) in all the sport (remember the blunder in Anaheim at third base with Cano, the most recent screw-up). But I think, if he knew what he was doing when he decided to go to second base last night — which I’m not too sure about — then it probably was to guarantee that Alex would score and get the ball right to Mo and go home. They were up by three at that moment, why not?
Of course, I do not defend this. I’m just trying to reason through what he might have reasoned.
"It's only fun if you win, Skip." -- Me.
by Paul O'Neill on Nov 2, 2009 9:43 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Defensively he's mediocre
He’s throwing better this year, his caught stealing percentage was up. He’s no Pudge Rodriguez, but he’s no Mike Piazza either.
On the baserunning, he thought the throw was going home. Once it doesn’t, he HAS to slow down to make sure the run scores before he gets tagged out. So yes, he should have read the throw faster, but once he realized he was out slowing was the right play.
by d_c_guy on Nov 2, 2009 10:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cervelli
Bring him on. He’s gonna be awesome.
My own rants -
FOX Sports suuuuuuuuuuucks
If I have to hear McCarver say one more freakin time that “nobody in the history of the world series has ever been hit intentionally!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111” I’ll have a seizure. He must’ve said that 457 times last night.
The need to either use their little K-Zone doohickey or not. Everytime the ump missed one on a Yankee batter that their thingy said was a strike they went apeshit. Everytime the ump called a strike that their thingy said was a ball, they were silent.
Yes, we know Utley has hit 3 home runs on Sabathia now. STFU already.
The only thing worse they could would be to hire Joe Morgan as a third d-bag for the broadcast team.
Can we get TBS back for the WS?
Can Tennessee please get YES already?
Rant over……
We’re up 3-1!!!!
I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
I got bored and made a blog!! SCS
by VolBrian on Nov 2, 2009 9:51 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Nice to see you
made the trip over from RockyTopTalk. You’ll probably get YES down there in the homeland when enough Yankee fans in the area get Comcast or whoever your cable provider to carry it. Course Ted Turner would yell loud and long. Go Yanks and Go Vols!
"I don't want one of those guys who'll drive in two but let in three every game." Casey Stengel
by tnredneckyankeesfan on Nov 2, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet!!
I can’t wait. Though my wife will be pissed. She always says she’s glad I’m not a braves fan so she doesn’t have to put up with me trying to watch 162 baseball games a year…….
I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
I got bored and made a blog!! SCS
by VolBrian on Nov 2, 2009 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You can always
get XM-Sirius and listen to the Yankee announcers for the series and all home games in the regular season. Turn down the sound on the TV and listen to John and Susan (admittedly not much of a step up from ESPN but their bias runs the correct way.) Not dissimilar from turning down the sound on the TV and listening to John Ward o0n UT telecasts.
"I don't want one of those guys who'll drive in two but let in three every game." Casey Stengel
by tnredneckyankeesfan on Nov 2, 2009 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah
I do that already. I’ll come up with all kinds of excuses to run errands during a game so I can listen in the car.
I have no problem with listening to homer broadcasts if I know what’s going on. In other words, like watching the Yanks play the White Sox on WGN. At least you know those damn fools and their “he gone” are supposed to be rooting for the home team. Not like Joe Morgan and the idiots from over at FOX.
I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
I got bored and made a blog!! SCS
by VolBrian on Nov 2, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, Travis
Can’t we just be happy? Please!!! Our team is one win away from its 27th World Series title. Do we have to go picking on negatives. Joba made a bad pitch. He throws that outside, inning over. We won. We will be champs again soon. Be happy.
This kind of — we won, but we weren’t perfect — stuff is why people hate Yankee fans.
by Ed Valentine on Nov 2, 2009 9:53 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
+1
No game is played perfectly. Today, Phillies fans are dissecting every move Charlie Manuel made, and every pitch Brad Lidge threw. That’s what you do when your team loses – look for reasons they lost, things they can improve so that they win next time.
I’m with Ed – doing this when our team wins, and bashing the guy who got us three clutch RBIs, is just pointless, and makes us all look bad.
by waw on Nov 2, 2009 10:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
plus the bashing of Jorge not throwing to second is beyond ridiculous...
even if it was game 4 of the regular season.
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 2, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You guys do know you are up 3-1 right?
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Nov 2, 2009 10:06 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
in what?
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by FreeBradshaw on Nov 2, 2009 11:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Joba Criticisim
Seriously you are complaining about a pitch that Joba had no control over. The call was made by the bench and you can’t fault Joba for using what brought him to the NY Yankees. Feliz just happened to reach out and touch the ball at the right time. Joba blew away the first two batters. Don’t hate the Player, Hate the game. It is a sport of fairness in most cases however, Joba still has the trigger to pull the 90’s plus to get people out.
Don’t complain we are up 3-1 and it will be a 3-2 series going back to NYC.
Damon is the achilies heal of the Yankees and Nady’s injury is partly to blame for this. Damon will not be back and the Yankees will more than likely go after Mr. Cameron from Milwaukee. He is the best option for them in the Outfield.
by DAYANKS on Nov 2, 2009 10:13 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
So now we're bashing Damon?
Who just had THE biggest at bat of the game? It might even be THE biggest at bat of the series? Seriously?
by potroast on Nov 2, 2009 10:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't it be safe to say Johnny gets a free pass
for catalyzing the go ahead run in a Game 4 of the WS?
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 2, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
location bro!
He controls thelocation. Joba is to blame and if he doesn’t wnat to pitchit then he doesn’t have too. He has last say as to what pitch he wants to throw.
by McDaniel on Nov 2, 2009 10:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
DAYANKS? r u serious?
How is Damon the problem? You are shot my friend! U have no clue, and no the yankees will not bring Cameron, he is garbage. THe yanks are signing Damon for another 2 years with an option. He is a great hitter. And r u really blaming Nady? F Nady he is long gone. God your comments are awful, just awful. Oh and nice positive thinking with the game 6 talk. Like i said, you’re shot bro!
by McDaniel on Nov 2, 2009 10:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ESPN Radio
Forced to listen to the ESPN feed on radio last night driving home in NC. As Feliz was hitting against Joba…John Miller/Joe Morgan said Feliz is one of the best fastball hitters in the NL> Oops there it goes – HR. Surely its in the scouting reports…stick with the sliders, hitters expand the zone (i.e., swing at bad pitches) on 3-2. Worst case Joba walks him with two down, then has Ruiz and the pitchers spot. Difference between flame thrower and pitcher.
We did better 'cause we got better...Yogi
by mickey07 on Nov 2, 2009 10:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Again…..
Up.
3-1.
27th World Championship.
Imminent.
Enjoy it.
Please.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Nov 2, 2009 10:24 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
People are bashing Jorge
people are bashing Damon. Those two had clutch hits that are the reason why the Yankees are up 3-1. Some guy said the series is gonna be 3-2 after tonight. Why? Cliff Lee is all of a sudden Sandy Koufax? Stop thinking negatively. You people sound like a bunch of losers.
by bronx joey on Nov 2, 2009 11:01 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
really..
really.. all of that makes no sense.
really.. all of that makes no sense.Why people are bashing this team right now…up 3-1…
really.. all of that makes no sense.Why people are bashing this team right now…up 3-1…Really makes the Yankee FAN haters right on point.
really.. all of that makes no sense.Why people are bashing this team right now…up 3-1…Really makes the Yankee FAN haters right on point.How are you gonna bash JOHNNY DAMON after what he did? And Jorge.? Who cares he ran them out a rally…it was a 3-R rally..hand off to MO?
really.. all of that makes no sense.Why people are bashing this team right now…up 3-1…Really makes the Yankee FAN haters right on point.How are you gonna bash JOHNNY DAMON after what he did? And Jorge.? Who cares he ran them out a rally…it was a 3-R rally..hand off to MO?Mo would win with a 1/2 run rally.
really.. all of that makes no sense.Why people are bashing this team right now…up 3-1…Really makes the Yankee FAN haters right on point.How are you gonna bash JOHNNY DAMON after what he did? And Jorge.? Who cares he ran them out a rally…it was a 3-R rally..hand off to MO?Mo would win with a 1/2 run rally.And don’t get me started on the idiots conceding game 5 already. What a damn joke.
really.. all of that makes no sense.Why people are bashing this team right now…up 3-1…Really makes the Yankee FAN haters right on point.How are you gonna bash JOHNNY DAMON after what he did? And Jorge.? Who cares he ran them out a rally…it was a 3-R rally..hand off to MO?Mo would win with a 1/2 run rally.And don’t get me started on the idiots conceding game 5 already. What a damn joke.If there’s anything that can twist my balls…its thinking a game is lost before they even play it cuz Cliff Frickin Lee is pitching.
really.. all of that makes no sense.Why people are bashing this team right now…up 3-1…Really makes the Yankee FAN haters right on point.How are you gonna bash JOHNNY DAMON after what he did? And Jorge.? Who cares he ran them out a rally…it was a 3-R rally..hand off to MO?Mo would win with a 1/2 run rally.And don’t get me started on the idiots conceding game 5 already. What a damn joke.If there’s anything that can twist my balls…its thinking a game is lost before they even play it cuz Cliff Frickin Lee is pitching.
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 2, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
WOW...
WTF just happened?
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by FreeBradshaw on Nov 2, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was trying to figure out what strange point you were trying to re-inforce
with that bizarre cut and paste effect
by waw on Nov 2, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it wasn't even a cut and paste!
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by FreeBradshaw on Nov 2, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually just hit enter...
like I just did there ^
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by FreeBradshaw on Nov 2, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess since the Yanks didn't sweep...
- will be a failure eh Travis?
C’mon man…
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 2, 2009 12:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
that should read #27.
what the hell just happened with these last 2 posts?
Cervelli WHAT DID I DO?
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by FreeBradshaw on Nov 2, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nope
but i try to put blame AND credit fairly onto the deserving player’s shoulders. of course i’m happy to be up 3-1, but that’s beside the point. what if Posada’s misplays cost us the game? they certainly could have. then how would you feel?
just bc the Yanks won doesn’t mean they’re immune from criticism, does it? that said, if/when they clinch, i will try my damndest to refrain from any critiques.
by Travis G on Nov 2, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no by all mean...
I have no problem with the critques.
Its all good actually. I agree on the Jorge inning ender thing, I was pissed at it too. If it was anyone else…just as pissed.
Its just the Ryan Howard steal…I just don’t feel Jorge should be as blamed for it as he’s been so far today. That wasn’t just you anyway……
so my bad on the lashing….
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 2, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
after tonight
lets start talking roster moves..cuz it will be an interesting off-season
but until then, savor the moments…its been a great post season
by holycowboy on Nov 2, 2009 12:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Pitch Selection? No Concerns Here
I have no problem with the FB there. You know why? FB is his best pitch, and no one had touched it all inning. He was throwing vapor trails out there. If you’re going to get beat, you get beat with your best pitch. He threw his best pitch, 97 mph, but missed his location. Feliz squared it up and tied the game, tip your hat to him.
He hadn’t gotten Feliz to chase earlier in the at-bat, and walking him puts the tying run on. Again, if you’re going to get beat, get beat with your best. Anyone else here remember Kyle “Million Dollar Arm, $.10 head” Farnsworth speeding up Leyritz’s bat with a slider in the 1996 WS?
What Joba did do is compose himself and get the third out. Brad “I’m not a closer, but I play one on TV” Lidge couldn’t do that, and it cost the Phillies the game.
by d_c_guy on Nov 2, 2009 12:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Joba
Did you see the look that Joba had on his face? That guy was so torn up. There is no one on the team that was more heart broken then Joba about that homerun. He would give up the win he recieved in order to get that one pitch back. He looked exretremly sharp before that homerun and we should be excited to see him in that kinda form this quickly (meaning his return to the bullpen in the postseason.)
by shawn p on Nov 2, 2009 1:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
shut up
do something besides complain for once. were closing in on FINALLY winning the world series again
by Jon F on Nov 2, 2009 3:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
didn't you
say you’d rather have Cervelli catching than Posada?
by Travis G on Nov 2, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why is everyone giving Posada s--t?
Posada, perhaps as much as Mariano, has been responsible for the Yankees leading their division practically every year. Anyone think it’s just an extreme coincidence that the ONLY year the Yanks missed the playoffs was the year Posada was on the D.H. and the only time he was out for an extended period of time?
And since when has Posada’s skills behind the plate and calling a game come into question? He’s no Johnny Bench defensively, but since when has his skill in calling games come into question? Since A.J. started blaming the catcher for bad pitches he made? Since Randy Johnson came and left NY in glory? Even Bill James said a couple years ago “I think of Posada as a Hall of Fame player.”
Sure, his arm problems a couple years ago hindered his throwing, and he’s never fully recovered. But as for his game calling, there’s always some pitchers who have problems with some catchers for some reason or another. Usually their managers tell them to talk with the catcher and deal, and that’s that, but too many players today are coddled and spoiled.
Sure, it’s nice if a catcher can be equally great defensively and offensively, and Molina is obviously better defensively, but he can’t hit his weight. I think it’s a shame that because of that that there are some people now who think it’s chic or knowledgeable to put down Jorge. Yes, he’s old for a catcher and he’s not what he once was at a physically demanding position, but he’s been a full-time catcher every year during this last 15 year Yankee run that no one else in baseball has matched. He deserves some respect and not an unthinking jumping on a bandwagon that’s not even there.
P.S. For one, Joba missed his spot. Nobody touched him until he let one go right down the heart of the plate.
by yankee-face on Nov 2, 2009 7:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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