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Why the Yankees should trade for Roy Halladay

We all know that Roy Halladay is an excellent pitcher. One of the best actually. Possibly even THE best right now. Who can forget the time where he made the Yankees look like a Little League team (only saved by Ramiro Pena's double)?  In the past three years, he has thrown 25 complete games, and pitched to a 3.09 ERA in 710 innings. In the AL East. This guy is a BEAST. And for those who say giving up prospects isn't worth it- we're getting a proven guy here who is durable, a competitor, and only wants to win, and excels at it- no use in speculating how good a prospect MIGHT be...when the guy you get for them would give the team a great chance of forging a dynasty for the next 4 years. The Yankees might as well get him now rather than waiting until 2011, especially since the Red Sox are in the hunt too. I would love hear the Sux fans complain and whine about it...that would make it all the more sweet when we are hoisting #28...so let's get Doc. 'nuff said.

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Should the Yankees trade for Roy Halladay?
Yes, definitely
312 votes
No, we shouldn't empty the farm for this guy
145 votes
Depends how much the Jays want for him
420 votes

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No way.

This is just another ridiculous fan post.

by dwaa101 on Nov 13, 2009 5:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

This is harder then you think

Next yr is another plethera of free agent pitching.Halladay and Lee will be the big ones if they dont get resigned or traded and sign a long deal.Brandon Webb who probably will be trade bait this deadline is also a free agent and to me is the most intrigueing.Arm problem doesnt scare me,actually it helped drive his price down.Looks like the Cubs would be willing to deal for Zambrano if your into the crazy type.I dont think this is as much a slam dunk as you might think.Bad free agent class=minimal upgrades to our competitors,meaning that nobody is going to buy there way so far past the Yanks that we have to have a #1 right now.

by cashman bashman on Nov 13, 2009 5:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

At least

if they jays are serious about trading him during the offseason the yanks should make an offer… I’m not saying that they WILL get him, but at least make it harder for other teams to get him. If they do get him, I’d be esctatic, if they didn’t, then I would definitely look for one of the aforementioned free agents in 2011.

by Hand Warmer on Nov 13, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't make sense for the Yankees

We already have an ace in CC, next year’s free agent class is loaded with pitching – including Halladay, we were the best team in baseball by a wide margin in 2009…it just doesn’t make sense for the Yankees to give up 2 or 3 of their elite prospects right now.

by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Nov 13, 2009 11:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

holiday

i agree do not give up the farm,but you have ti look.

BIG YANKEE FAN,FROM MASS. HAVE TO PUT UP WIYH ALL THESE HOLE SOX FANS

by JEETS on Nov 14, 2009 8:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Pull the trigger, Cash

If you can trade Joba, Montero and three B prospects, I’ll never say another bad word about you. If you have to swap out Ajax for Montero, I’ll live.

I always feel pressure. What I don't have is fear. -- El Duque

by LateInningRelief on Nov 13, 2009 5:46 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

No way. We're definitely going to be needing a catcher in the future.

Even if its just a back-up. In case, Cervilli manages to flourish before Montero comes up.

Yankees all day.

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." ~Rogers Hornsby

by Onishadow14 on Nov 13, 2009 6:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He's called...

…Austin Romine, he’s 20 years old and he’s really really good behind the plate…

by RuBiCaNT on Nov 13, 2009 10:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i heard

montero’s head isnt really into catching

and they are trying to move positions, but we have a first baseman for 10 years

so i think they should trade for him

by YanksVikes on Nov 14, 2009 8:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know where you heard that....

he wants to catch. The org. thinks he can catch…and while 1B probably would be a good spot, they really haven’t tried him anywhere else other than DH.

The guy’s a catcher. If he is defensively as good as Posada, the Yanks will have another potential HOF caliber catcher.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 14, 2009 10:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

absolutely not

Montero is untouchable in my mind. If he turns out to be even half as good as people think he will be, he’ll be a great slugger for our team.

by Wraithpk on Nov 13, 2009 6:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nobody's untouchable

I always feel pressure. What I don't have is fear. -- El Duque

by LateInningRelief on Nov 14, 2009 9:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I always feel pressure. What I don't have is fear. -- El Duque

by LateInningRelief on Nov 14, 2009 9:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

oh yeah

you are out of your mind

BIG YANKEE FAN,FROM MASS. HAVE TO PUT UP WIYH ALL THESE HOLE SOX FANS

by JEETS on Nov 14, 2009 8:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I totally agree kick the tires

But not a have to have just yet,or maybe even ever.

by cashman bashman on Nov 13, 2009 5:55 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

meh....

The Red Sox problem is hitting, not pitching.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 13, 2009 6:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think the Jays will want too much.

Let’s keep our prospects and hope we can get him in 2011 at the risk of giving up a draft pick.

Yankees all day.

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." ~Rogers Hornsby

by Onishadow14 on Nov 13, 2009 6:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

You gotta ask...

you just have to, he’s too good a pitcher to not inquire.

Its probably still Joba AND Hughes, AJAX and someone like maybe Nova, possibly more.

If its that, I say no.

Again, I think they gotta take a look at Felix Hernandez and see if the M’s are still at least considering a deal of him.

If they’re willing to part with a certain package for Halladay…offer that same one to the M’s for Hernanedez first, cuz I’d rather them make a big trade for King Felix than Halladay.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 13, 2009 6:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Oh...

and I don’t care about the Red Sox.

They can get him for all I care.

I’d rather run up the cost for Halladay and then see the Red Sox offer include Clay Buchholz.

Buchholz is very good and as a rotation, they may only get marginally better by adding Halladay (and getting rid of a lot of prospects).

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 13, 2009 6:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's true

But if the Jays bite on an offer that doesn’t include both Hughes and Joba, I would really consider that.

by Hand Warmer on Nov 13, 2009 6:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

sox

what prospects do the red sox have?

BIG YANKEE FAN,FROM MASS. HAVE TO PUT UP WIYH ALL THESE HOLE SOX FANS

by JEETS on Nov 14, 2009 8:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

more than the Yankees...

tho, not as many as those on OTM would think.

They think that every prospect they have is God’s Gift.

But they ARE deeper than the Yanks, at least when your talking about position players.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 14, 2009 9:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Red Sox

I wonder if the Red Sox would consider taking Vernon Wells and 2/3 or 3/4 of his contract in order to get the deal done without giving up their best prospects. He actually did hit .300 on the road this year and we know Fenway’s been known to revitalize struggling right handed hitters.

by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Nov 14, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I could see them doing it

they took on Lowell remember. And while Ellsbury is good in CF, its really not like Wells is a POS on defense, he’s actually pretty good.

Yea, at the plate he could definitely turn it around. Players have a habit of doing that with that big stupid wall they have out there.

They don’t wanna part with their prospects any more than the Yankees do, even if they are deeper, so yea, if it would help them not have to give up a big haul, they probably could get away with it.

Or maybe they even ask the Jays to eat a bit of salary?

Another question is if the Yanks would be willing to do that?

…tho the thing is, Vernon Wells was pretty horrible last year. Yes he was coming off an injury and its pretty reasonable to expect him to turn it around, especially if there’s a bit less pressure to perform in the Yanks lineup…still, he’s making a ton of money. And he made Melky look like A-Rod last year.

Tho if it helps get Halladay for a smaller haul of prospects…SURE!

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 14, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I might do that for Hernandez...

but not for Halladay. You aren’t going to get much more out of a 33 year old Halladay, I would expect him to begin declining. Hernandez, on the other hand, is like 23 years old, and could continue to get better.

by Wraithpk on Nov 13, 2009 6:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree for the most part...

a you can get more out of a 10 year younger starter in Felix.

But what are we talking about with Halladay? The guy is not a power pither. He gets by on command and just all out knowledge of how to pitch.

Don’t we have Andy Pettite on the squad, who has shown that he’s the Yanks 2nd most consistent starter?

Halladay is in another class than Pettite (no slight to Andy of course).

Why can’t Halladay pitch till he’s 40? Even if he’s as effective as Pettite, isn;’t that good?

Felix is a hard thrower who in a couple of years will have a lot of milege on his arm…and probably be due for an injury plagued season or 2.

…I’m just saying all this tho. I still would rather go for Felix over Halladay. But its not unheard of for a 33 y/o with his style of pitching being a very good starter even for another 7 years (cuz we have one on the team as a good example).

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 13, 2009 7:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's true...

but still, the fact that he’s 33 should decrease his price. He’s going to start losing velocity sometime soon, and that will lower his effectiveness. I’m sure he would continue to be a great pitcher for several more years, but what I’m worried about is the Yankees paying for what he has been, and actually getting a lesser version of that.

by Wraithpk on Nov 15, 2009 5:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Random story

I saw Tombstone last night for the first time. For those who hasn’t seen it, it’s a western movie with a brilliant performance by Val Kilmer as the gunslinger Doc Halladay. I know it has nothing to do with the actual Doc, but the whole time I was watching it, all I could think about was how awesome Doc would be as a Yankee. Everytime gunslinger Doc shot someone, I’d think to myself “Wow, Doc has really good command”. And at the climax of the movie, where the bad guy sees Doc and tries to back out of the gunfight, all I could think about was “Wow, that could be Dustin Pedroia next season”.

by Peppered on Nov 13, 2009 9:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

"I'm ya huckleberry."

couldn’t help myself.

by Travis G on Nov 13, 2009 10:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"Whyyy, Johnny Ringo... You look like somebody just walked over your grave"

Had to rewatch that scene on YouTube again, the part where Michael Biehn is taken aback when he realizes it’s Doc Holliday and not Wyatt Earp is treeeeeeee-mendous.

by Peppered on Nov 13, 2009 10:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Biehn

is a great actor. it’s a shame we’ve hardly seen him in 10 years. what a stretch he had from ~1984-1996.

by Travis G on Nov 13, 2009 10:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Loaded Imdb

Just checked his resume and you’re right, he’s been in some good ones in that stretch: “Aliens” and “Terminator”… he’s also been in some clunkers, like the Caruso debacle “Jade”. I think my favorite is when he played the over the top Navy Seal leader who made over the top speeches and kept yelling over Ed Harris.

Biehn: “you’re under oath as United States Marines, have you forgotten that? We all have shipmates we remember, some of them were shit on and pissed on by the Pentagon. But that doesn’t give you the right to mutiny!”

Harris: “You call it what you want! You’re down there, we’re up here! You walked into the wrong goddamn room, Commander!”

Genius.

by Peppered on Nov 13, 2009 11:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That was The Rock, by the way

And yes, I’m a movie nerd. I’ll watch anything.

by Peppered on Nov 13, 2009 11:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"It would appear the strain was more than he could bear."

One of the most quotable badass movies ever

Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.

by CasanovaWong on Nov 14, 2009 6:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

they better not

get halladay? That’s just overkill.

A thousand lips. A thousand tongues. A thousand throats. A thousand lungs. A thousand ways to make it true. I want to do terrible things to you.

by Nine Inch Nails on Nov 14, 2009 3:34 AM EST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

holiday

do not trade,a-jax,cerveille the catcher,joba hughes,or the 19 tear old catcher for him

BIG YANKEE FAN,FROM MASS. HAVE TO PUT UP WIYH ALL THESE HOLE SOX FANS

by JEETS on Nov 14, 2009 8:48 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I won't get into who we might lose,

but, I really want Halladay in a Yankees uniform at some point. He could win 25 games with our lineup behind him!

I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
Lane Kiffin owns lake-front property in Corch Urbie Meyers's head.

by VolBrian on Nov 14, 2009 10:33 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'd really rather they preserved that farm

Particularly AJAX and Montero. They should be untouchable. I really believe that. Halladay could win a ton of games in a Yankee uniform, but do they honestly need him? They were the best team in baseball this year WITHOUT Roy Halladay. And next year they will be bringing back the SAME rotation, except with a better Joba Chamberlain (no rules=better), and a BETTER Chien-Ming Wang half way through the season (how could he be any worse), NO Mitre, NO Gaudin. A REAL rotation. If they really want to bring in a starter, then sign John Lackey. But they don’t desperately need Halladay and there is no sense to me in trading away the future for him.

by nyyrocks29 on Nov 14, 2009 11:30 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I’m sure we could probably sign him as a FA when the time comes. I’m not sold on Lackey, but if they give Wang enough time to recover and another shot, we should be in great shape next season at least

I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
Lane Kiffin owns lake-front property in Corch Urbie Meyers's head.

by VolBrian on Nov 14, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

what is not to sell on Lackey?

If he wants more than AJ money, which he deserves, I see why the answer is no.

But the guy is an ace. Maybe in the second tier of aces behind CC and those sort, but damn..Lackey is a hell of a pitcher.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 14, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not saying he's not good

I’m just thinking more along the lines of signing Halladay with that money (plus a lot) the next offseason. He’s gonna be a FA and I would much rather wait one more year with the roatation we’ve got and get him.

If the Yanks plan on letting Wang go, then let’s just get both!

I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
Lane Kiffin owns lake-front property in Corch Urbie Meyers's head.

by VolBrian on Nov 14, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

if there's a way to get Halladay

with prospects outside of up Montero, Hughes or Joba, you gotta do it. i’d give up any combo of Ajax, Brackman, Banuelos, Melancon, ZMac, Nova, Heredia, Betances, Romine, etc.

by Travis G on Nov 14, 2009 9:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

how about money?

How about wait till next fall and sign him as a FA? Then we can have Halladay as the #2, AJAX starting in CF and Montero as the DH.

!!! Get the best of all worlds!

The Yanks don’t NEEEED Halladay to win the WS next year. You can set that in stone (they can get away with a guy like Washburn replacing Andy for this season…hopefully one or all of Hughes/Joba/Wang show some help as a starter.

He wants to be a FA when he gets the chance, I’m fairly sure on that.

Regardless of whether the Yanks rotation is a ? in 2010…then can then sign Halladay.

Its better than trading position propects, in thin positions for the Yanks future no less and also ML young pitching like Joba and Hughes.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 14, 2009 10:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How do you guarantee he’s going to hit the market though? There’s always a chance someone can come in with a package and take him away, while signing him to an extension.

How many contenders (which is the only teams he’d ocnsider) have the talent to package for him however… is relatively unknown, but I’m sure Toronto would want some sort of prospect package, rather than losing him to FA.

by Vancouverguy on Nov 15, 2009 1:08 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

No one can guarantee anything...

But he’ll make more money hitting the open market than if he signs an extension with any team that he’s with before next offseason.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 15, 2009 7:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

2011 Free Agent Class

The 2011 Free Agent pitching class will feature Halladay, Cliff Lee, Josh Beckett and Brandon Webb. Odds are there is going to be at least one and probably 2 or 3 aces available. Better to wait than to give up Joba/Hughes/Montero.

by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Nov 15, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree...

I don’t think they should be droppin dough on a pitcher this year. Wait for next year’s FA class.

by Wraithpk on Nov 15, 2009 5:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Just read this article from the Daily News

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2009/11/12/2009-11-12_roy_halladay.html

A few interesting quotes:

If the Blue Jays keep Halladay but struggle, they could still move him at the trade deadline. They would surely get more for Halladay by trading him this winter, but according to the source, Beeston believes that would send the wrong message to the fan base entering 2010.

Halladay wants out of Toronto, but it’s unlikely that he would waive his no-trade clause to be dealt to a team unless he was able to sign a long-term extension – something only a select few teams have the resources to do, most notably the Yankees and Red Sox.

Others are wary of signing Lackey to a big contract, according to one Yankees executive, citing the righthander’s injury issues over the past two seasons. There is also the Angels’ apparent willingness to let him walk, which some see as a sign that they know something about the health of his arm that others don’t.

Seems to me like Halladay has a say in his trade and probably (I would guess) would rather be traded to a playoff contending team like the Sox or Yankees rather than some middle tier team that might give the Jays a bunch of prospects but gives him less of a chance at winning a division or pennant or WS.

The last quote is interesting because it highlights some potential issues as to why the Yankees might be hesitant to sign Lackey, regardless of his performance last year.

I’d say sell the farm for Halladay because he’s got a few upsides over every other starter out there:

  1. He can make AJ better (AJ says Halladay is his mentor)
  2. He can be a 3rd consistent quality starter with CC and Andy
  3. He can make any of our younger starters better (if we keep Joba and/or Hughes)
  4. If nothing else, he can continue to scare the crap out of the Red Sox instead of joining their ranks

Of course, we would all like to get Halladay for just money, even if we have to wait until the next offseason, but the reality is Cashman and/or the front office might not be willing to risk him going to the Red Sox if he can help our rotation in more ways than just being a good starter (or excellent starter). I’ve never seen any of our prospects play, but I’ve read many places that pitching and/or hitting in the minors is a world of difference from playing at the MLB level. Obviously our scouts and team execs and coaches know more than we do, so we can only hope they make the right decision and it doesn’t come back to bite us, especially in a playoff situation.

by phonty on Nov 15, 2009 8:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

thanks...your #1 reason is something I've posted again

and again. This has a multiplier effect when you think of all the others he will affect. He said Rivera showed him how to throw a cutter at the AS game, imagine him with the pitching staff discussing the craft with MO, CC, Pettite, AJ,… with the others standing around.

by aliasalias on Nov 20, 2009 1:48 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

??????????????

If MO taught Halladay the cutter…WTF do we need Halladay for to teach anyone else the cutter?

WE HAVE MO!.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 20, 2009 11:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Halladay does have a pretty sick change-up, maybe he could teach that to Joba and Hughes.

by Wraithpk on Nov 23, 2009 10:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

he could teach Joba

give him the “get through 3 innings without throwing 100 pitches” lesson.

That could help him.

by nyyrocks29 on Nov 24, 2009 6:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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