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I don't think I've posted my annual guide to the Hot Stove yet, so look for that in the coming days.  But for now, just remember that the Yankees will be tied to everyone.  While I wish I was a GM, and so I consider every rumor and even manufacture an idea or two of my own.  Maybe this makes me the media's whore, but I'm ok with it.

My advice: just don't get to excited about who the Yankees "are sure" to get or not get until you see a press conference and a man in a jersey.  And remember when the Yanks don't make the "obvious" move, they have a plan of their own that they are following.

Fox Sports (Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi):

Some agents and executives, viewing Melky Cabrera and Brett Gardner as little more than spare outfielders, actually believe the Yankees should focus more on center field than left.

Cameron posted a UZR of 10 last season, with an OPS+ of 111, even though his linedrive rate dropped to its lowest since 2002.

His plate discipline looks about the same as it has in previous seasons, which overall, is a good thing.

And yet, if I were Brian Cashman (who showed strong interest in Cameron as a trade candidate last season), I'm not sure I'd do more than kick the tires.  Sure, if he'd sign for the same one year that we'd like Damon or Matsui to sign for, the sabermetrician in me would love the deal. 

However, combined with Swisher, that's a lot of strikeouts in our lineup.  Cameron's career low was to strike out once every 4 PA (back in 2000).  It's not that I think the strikeout is a 'bad' out, but I recognize that hitters prone to strikeouts tend to be streaky and/or vulnerable to top flight starting pitching.

Still, Cameron would actually be an upgrade over Damon because Cameron plays center (well) and could cover any outfield spot in a pinch.

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Seems like every year they're rumored to Cameron.

Yea, definitely a lot of K’s.

But you can pencil the guy in for 20HR too. He’s as good or probably better than anyone in CF right now.

I mean I agree, kick the tires.

Overall to have him in CF and then maybe Melky in LF? That’s some nice defense.

He’s obviously not Damon. But if he puts together a Swisher like season at the plate and combined with his much better defense?

If Damon prices himself out of NY, I think you gotta go with Cameron.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 12, 2009 8:42 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Why?

Why sign Cameron and replace a weak armed old ouitfielder with a similarly weak armed old outfielder who has become more and more prone to misplaying balls and does NOT get to the balls he used to. i live in Minnesota now so I see a lot of Brewers games and Cameron has lost more than a step and is really not an upgrade over any outfielder we have.

by ae2cdk on Nov 12, 2009 9:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

He only bats .250!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 Who cares about the 24 hrs?!?!?!
 He bats .250, weak arm, 156 K’s, and is at the ripe age of…………………………….36? 37 next year?!?! WTF are we even talking about.

Melky/Garnder totals are: 114 runs, 16 HRS, 91 RBI’s, 69 BBs, .270 + avg and 36 SBs.

by McDaniel on Nov 12, 2009 9:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I know. HAHA

Pass. He’s too old.

by McDaniel on Nov 12, 2009 9:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

we ain't talking about signing the guy for a 5yr contract you know...

one year deal is all.

And Cameron even now is better than both of the CF the Yankees have combined.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 12, 2009 9:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And yes i know it is for one year.

Why F up something that has worked, and is home grown? To bring in this clown. OVER RATED.

by McDaniel on Nov 12, 2009 9:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How is he overrated?

We’re comparing him to the Yankees CF platoon, who both would be better suited as backups.

Cameron isn’t exactly Torii Hunter…but he’s pretty damn good.

For one year, he can still outproduce the 2 guys the Yanks have.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 12, 2009 9:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He’s no clown. And also pretty underrated throughout his career. I met him Cameron a bunch of times while he played with the Mets. My friend was his neighbor in New Jersey. Pretty chill and stand-up guy if you ask me.

by Scooby Snacks on Nov 12, 2009 9:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

your still on the batting average thing?

He OPS’ .800 and tho the OBP is nothing to sneez at he’s a career .448 slug %

He’s better than Melkett Cabredner.

Is he that bad in the OF defensively? I still see him being able to go get dawn near anything out there.

As for the arm, Melky’s got a good one but Cameron’s by default is better than Garnder.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 12, 2009 9:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I guess I am....

but Bradshaw, he is 37 next year. I feel both of them, or are they one person?, Melkett Cabredner, deserve another year, especially over this DB, cameroooonothanks.

by McDaniel on Nov 12, 2009 9:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Melky has had plenty of time...

and Gardner is a 4th OF.

One year of Cameron then hand off to AJAX.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 12, 2009 9:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know

Gardner and Melky combined for 2.6 wins above replacement last year. That’s not terrible, especially when you consider that Gardner did essentially nothing after July due to his injury.

Cameron, obviously, was much better, at 4.8 WARP, and 2009 was the 5th best season of his career in terms of WARP and EQA. But he’ll be 37 next season. He hasn’t shown any real signs of slowing down, but he will slow down at some point, be it in 2010 or whenever. The peak of his career was clearly from age 27 to age 33. Since then, over 3 seasons, he’s averaged about 3.8 WARP per 600 plate appearances, which is still very good, but much closer to Melky/Gardner.

The other problem is that if signing Cameron to play center means Melky becomes their left-fielder, they’re upgrading one position slightly while downgrading another significantly. Melky simply doesn’t hit enough to play a corner outfield spot. If anything, it would make sense to plug Cameron into LF, where his older legs have less ground to cover.

by 3460kuri on Nov 12, 2009 8:56 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I’ll gladly take on Mike Cameron for a one-year deal as stopgap until A-Jax is ready.

How does it make a difference what position Melky or Cameron plays when the offensive output will remain the same?

by Scooby Snacks on Nov 12, 2009 9:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why replace an old porr defensive outfielder with another old outfielder? If the premise on replacing Damon is his age how does this make sense? If we are going to replace Damon with an old outfielder why not replace him with Dye? Who is a year younger than both is far superior defensively and has proven that he can hit in the post season with the Braves,A’s and White Sox. I personally want an outfielder who can actually play the outfield.

by ae2cdk on Nov 12, 2009 9:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and where is Dye gonna go?

He has no range whatsoever.

LOL..you just complaing about a guy who hit .250…yet now you want Jermaine Dye?

Cameron had just as good a year as Dye last year and at least Cameron’s got some range out there.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 12, 2009 9:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I respectfully disagree with your opinion on Cameron. I would put Dye in Right Field and move Swish to Left. Dye has a superior arm to All of the OF’s we currently have. My personal preference is to get ALOT younger in the outfield. Barring that if we have to sign an old outfielder for one year Dye is far and away superior to Cameron both regular and post season.

by ae2cdk on Nov 12, 2009 9:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Crazy thought

Cincinatti is suppsosed to be open to moving some of their higher paid players. Brandon Phillips was converted to the infield by the Expos when he was drafted. He has a very strong arm is a pretty good hitter and is still young. Maybe we get him and put him back in the outfield. Remember I said CRAZY.

by ae2cdk on Nov 12, 2009 9:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There's NO way

Cincy is going to trade away a 5-tool player like Phillips.

by BriGuy27 on Nov 12, 2009 10:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Unless you're broke...

and Cincy is known to want to cut payroll. They’ve been talking about it since the last trade deadline. Him, Arroyo and Harang. If you give them enough salary relief, they might just bite.

by Vancouverguy on Nov 12, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

NO THANKS PASS!

What a horrible idea. Pick up Cameron?!?!? He stinks bro. I would much rather keep it as it is and give Melky and Gardner CF/OF. It didn’t hurt us by any means and both play a great outfield. Garbage talk, I really hope Cashman doesn’t buy this guy.

by McDaniel on Nov 12, 2009 9:09 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think a better option would be for the yankees to try and make a trade for Curtis Granderson, he’s a good center fielder who’s not as error prone as Melky (i think this was the first year in which the yankees didn’t allow an inside the field Hr to Melky’s side of the outfield with him playing there).

Also… Granderson it’s a leadoff hitter, who could bat 2nd after The Captain, if Damon ends up playing for another team, god knows the Yanks will need a 2nd bat, instead of Damon maybe a combination of Hairston (i hope they resign him) and Gardner could play out fine at LF… but still they’ll need someone as a regular for RF since Swisher can’t handle the pressure all year long, he is better with days off.

Still… the Yanks have various places to fill in case both Matsui and Damon don’t return:

LF
RF (Swisher as i’ve said, can’t be an everyday OF)
C (Posada it’s aging and they need a backup in case Cervelli doesn’t pan out fine)
CF (I don’t think Melky it’s the ideal CF)

If you want to push the issue even farther, the yankees need to begin thinking about replacing Canó if he continues to hit ONLY without men on base.

I surely hope they give a chance at lest in the bench to:
Hinske
Ramiro Peña (he’s been practicing at OF)
Cervelli

Cheers

M.

by Mikhel on Nov 12, 2009 9:30 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Swisher can't be an everyday OF?

He hit 29 home runs this year and drove in 80+ runs! And plus, he worked the count better than anyone in that lineup and had a high OBP. Swish did fine this year. Leave him in RF. He isn’t the problem.

And you can’t give up on Cano. Yea, he struggled w/RISP. But that doesn’t mean he can’t turn it around. He’s 27 years old, homegrown, right out of the Yankees system. He may win a batting title and a Gold Glove in the coming years. He hasn’t even reached his full potential yet and he’s already one of the best second basemen in baseball. He’s a Yankee. He’s not going anywhere.

by nyyrocks29 on Nov 12, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dont' make more problems

I couldn’t agree more about Swisher and Cano. Swish is more than serviceable as a bottom of the order power bat, not to mention a switch hitter. Robbie did struggle mightily in the playoffs but also hit .320+ with 80+ RBI’s- not too many other 2nd basemen will get you that.

I also think that the yanks should take a serious look at that other halo on the market, chone figgins. I have seen him get ripped apart by yankee fans but he could bring some much needed speed and versatility. Putting him in left, platooning gardy/melky in center (waiting for ajax) and swish in rf would be a pretty good outfield. He could slide into the 2 hole in the lineup and cause some serious problems for defenses ahead of tex and arod. Not to mention he’s 5 yrs younger and probably cheaper than damon.

by BronxBeliever on Nov 12, 2009 6:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cameron? Isn't he like 60?

Perhaps once-upon-a-time, but certainly not now. Not unless a centerfielder who is so far and away superior to what we already have. Frankly, we don’t need a star at that position. We need consistent play, a decent arm. Melky does that. Melky’s also young and I’d like to believe he’s still trending upwards—even if it’s minute.

And let’s not forget Austin Jackson. I saw him play 6-7 times this past season, and wasn’t terribly impressed. But that’s not saying much. Some may recall I strongly supported the Pavano signing. But apparently, Jackson is in the Yankees plans—probably in 2010.

"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will

by Ronster22 on Nov 12, 2009 9:30 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Hey guys, what about Mark Derosa?

Yankees all day.

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." ~Rogers Hornsby

by Onishadow14 on Nov 12, 2009 2:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

He's pretty good

he can play a LOT of different places too. Something the Yanks should definitely consider if Damon wants too much to come back. He could slide right into LF. How is Derosa defensively?

by nyyrocks29 on Nov 12, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

he's kind like JHJ

above average everywhere.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 12, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That would be nice

he could play LF and maybe spell one of the IF, even 2B.

I’d be concerned about his injury plagued season last year tho….

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 12, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hey guys what about barry bonds

I hear he is available

by BernBabyBern on Nov 12, 2009 4:02 PM EST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

outfield

Curtis Granderson would be a great addition but the price in players is likely to be exorbitant. Chone Figgins at least would cost only an expensive contract. If one wanted to risk Vernon Wells the price would be low because of his contract, but I probably would not bite unless I knew a correctible reason for his decline. I doubt that Matsui can play the cavernous LF in Yankee Stadium with his knee troubles. He would have to be a DH again. One has to remember that with an older player you are getting next year’s performance.

by logiet on Nov 12, 2009 5:58 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Figgins is a pretty subpar defensive LF - great 3B though

My 2011 OF wishlist: LF Carl Crawford, CF A-Jax, RF Nick Swisher

by Scooby Snacks on Nov 12, 2009 8:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What about Bonds?

And what happened to your boy Cameron? He sux but you have been promoting him and this is your wish list?

by McDaniel on Nov 13, 2009 10:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

?

First off..as always when YOU say a hitter sucks…he doesn’t. Just cuz a guy hits .250 doesn’t mean he sucks. Cameron does plenty of other things at the plate, even aside from K’s, that make him a good hitter and ballplayer. I guess there’s really nothing you can understand about that…so its pointless.

And all anyone is making an argument for with Cameron is that he’d be a good stop gap option FOR ONE YEAR!!…..

No one has him on their “wish list”. But he’d be a very good option as a stop gap.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 13, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

im still not sold

on the idea to have gardner as an everyday player. he flys out to much and needs to learn to hit a bit better imo. he plays the outfield very good but he cant replace damon’s numbers. id like the yanks to resign damon to 2 yrs and matsui to 1, although id understand if they try to get younger but with bay or holliday not gardner.

by miamiYankee on Nov 13, 2009 2:00 AM EST reply actions   0 recs


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