The left-field question
Who'll be there next year?
Option A: The Efficient Plan -
Re-sign Hideki Matsui to a one-year deal (that he seems amenable to). Matsui can still hit (.274/.367/.509), and would primarily be the DH. Let Johnny Damon walk (because he wants at least two years and is repped by Scott Boras); you've got to be careful with older free agents coming off career years. Such is the case with Damon, who just turned 36. His defense is already below average, and we can't expect another offensive year like 2009 (.282/.365/.489).
With Matsui at DH, Melky and Gardner man LF and CF (respectively) full-time. That improves the defense in both areas: Melky is a better LFer than Damon, and Gardner is a better CFer than Melky. We can reasonably assume they'll put up at least as good offensive numbers as '09, and quite possibly better as they move into their (historically speaking) primes.
The RAR (Runs Above Replacement) breakdown:
Damon was worth 30.1 RAR (25.3 batting, -9.2 fielding, 20.9 over replacement, -6.9 positional adjustment), getting 626 plate appearances.
Melky was worth 15.9 RAR (1.6 batting, -1.6 fielding, 18 over replacement, -2.1 positional adjustment), getting 540 PA.
Gardner was worth 20.6 RAR (2.4 batting, 7.2 fielding, 9.5 over replacement, 1.5 positional adjustment), despite only 284 PA. If we extrapolate that to 540 PA, it increases his RAR to 39.2!
A 2010 outfield of Melky, Gardner and Swisher may very well be better all-around than one of Damon, Melky and Swisher, especially considering Damon is unlikely to repeat his '09 season. Then when you think that Damon might be the LFer for several more seasons, it doesn't seem to make sense.
This option also allows Austin Jackson to find a place with the big team during the year (if he's ready).
Option B: Bring back Matsui and Damon.
As mentioned, Damon wants a multi-year deal. I don't like this option because both players are over 34 (safely in their decline phases), somewhat injury prone, don't play good (or any) defense anymore, and would be very costly.
Option C: Let Matsui walk in favor of Damon.
At least Damon can still play the outfield. Matsui could maybe play LF in an emergency, but that's it. Damon can also still run the bases (12 SB, 0 CS). The downside is that Damon would require a multi-year deal whereas Matsui seems willing to accept a single-year contract.
Option D: Sign the big name free agent.
This is the most costly option. Jason Bay and Matt Holliday are both LFers, and both are looking for long-term deals (as in 6+ years). Either would give us the best offensive option, but they would also require giving up a first-round draft pick.
Jason Bay has a 131 career OPS+, and just turned 31. His fielding UZR was -13, and his RAR was 34.9.
Matt Holliday has a 133 career OPS+, and will turn 30 in January. Despite a crucial error in the NLDS, his fielding has been above average every year but one. Last season he saved 5.7 runs in LF and was worth 56.8 RAR. However, his RAR has declined each of the last two years. He'll still clearly be the most expensive LF option, both in terms of money and length (his agent is Scott Boras).
Then there's the DH question. Both Holliday and Bay (even more so) look like future DHs. Do we really want another one, when we may need that spot for A-Rod, Posada, Jeter, Tex and possibly Montero?
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Ok I think u definatly have to resign Matsui, Let Damon walk, and also resign Nady….Hear me out, Nady is going to come fairly cheap, can play the corner outfield, and has a solid bat. Just in case Gardy, can’t handle the deal in center, we have options. No to Bay and Holliday, to much money and honestly there is no need for either.
by DarthRichter on Nov 12, 2009 11:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Second
i agree. nady = cheap and will hit better than swisher.
by goyanks69 on Nov 12, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thats the best option
nady can still be a good player
by Nick C on Nov 12, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nice that everyone...
thinks Nady’s gonna be a-okay.. Let’s just remember that this was his second Tommy John surgery. Nady is also a Scott Boras client, so he won’t come as cheap as he should.
by NumberSeven on Nov 12, 2009 12:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not to mention...
that over their last 4 years, Swisher has been a much better offensive player than Nady. His average wOBA is .01 higher, and if you don’t count the off year he had in 2008, it would be almost .03 higher. Defensively, they are pretty similar players, but who knows how good Nady’s arm will be after surgery.
by Wraithpk on Nov 12, 2009 6:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we need speed...
in the outfield and at the top of our order. going after figgins to play left (and fill in at third when arods hip is acting up) and slide into the 2 hole would be a very smart move. although you would loose some power with damon leaving, we would gain some extremely valuable speed/base stealing ability, defense/versatility and youth (even though he is 30). once on base he would cause some serious problems ahead of tex and arod. plus he would probably come slightly cheaper than damon and his boris contract
by BronxBeliever on Nov 12, 2009 7:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's also going to want the chance to play everyday
Boras is going push hard for Nady to get a full-time role on a cheap, incentive-laden one-year contract. Then try to get a multi-year deal thereafter. With Brett Gardner around, there is no guarantee that the Yankees will give Nady enough at-bats to earn that contract.
by Scooby Snacks on Nov 12, 2009 7:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
bias
i’m not just calling you out on this (because i see it on here all the time), but it’s a little ridiculous that you make a clear argument for option A and discount the other options and then ask people to vote on which option is best. OF COURSE everyone is going to vote “A” because they just read a well written argument for why “A” is the best and why the other options aren’t as good (in your opinion)…this happens all the time on this site and is a little ridiculous
by goyanks69 on Nov 12, 2009 11:31 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
What???
SO you mean to tell me that people form their opinion over these articles???
Your ridiculous to think that way. I voted A and in no way did this small clipping of an article affected my vote.
by McDaniel on Nov 12, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no...
my point is that opinion may be swayed by the article (though in your case it may not have), so i would advocate first providing a short list of options with no opinion and then with follow with an article that has the author’s opinion.
by goyanks69 on Nov 12, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
why should your opinion be 'swayed'?
If you actually have an opinion, you should make it.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 12, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
a reader without a previous opinion
would read the article, likely be swayed to “A” and then vote for “A” on the merit of Travis’ argument (which was well supported).
by goyanks69 on Nov 12, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's really not that important in the end...
so what difference does it make if somebody’s ‘swayed’ one way or the other??
If you see it “all the time” here, and it’s so “ridiculous” – you do have the option of not visiting this site.
by NumberSeven on Nov 12, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i apologize
I apologize, dear Mr. NumberSeven for stating a logical opinion and offering a suggestion that may improve Pinstripe Alley poll accuracy in the future. I am deeply, deeply moved by your convincing viewpoint and will take your suggestion to heart. Thank you for your contribution for the greater good, and I wish you a wonderful afternoon.
by goyanks69 on Nov 12, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Part of it is that we don’t really aim to be objective here.
If you disagree, we want to hear from you either in the comments to our articles or in a fanpost.
And I’ll just add that suggesting that our writing is logical and cogent enough to sway the fanbase is quite flattering. So thanks ;)
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
by jscape2000 on Nov 12, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
I got a kick out of that one, too. Of course, you did not disclose that you have a mancrush on Gardner.
;)
I always feel pressure. What I don't have is fear. -- El Duque
by LateInningRelief on Nov 12, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I do think Gardner is at least equal to Cabrera.
But there are plenty of scenarios where I’d be happy to see Gardner pushed to the bench.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
by jscape2000 on Nov 12, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, he's young, so who knows
Maybe he has a breakout year next year. I was just kidding with you.
I always feel pressure. What I don't have is fear. -- El Duque
by LateInningRelief on Nov 13, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Option A is the worst of them
It’s not surprising that Travis supports having a pathetic outfield of Melky/Gardner/Swisher.
How 43% of people voted for that disaster is beyond me.
by New York Sports Jerk on Nov 12, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly my point
this is exactly my point, the article provides a viewpoint which biases the subsequent vote.
by goyanks69 on Nov 12, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so quick to criticize
yet seldom do you offer your own opinion backed up by evidence. i’m all ears…
by Travis G on Nov 12, 2009 11:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Evidence...
…you want two below-average hitters in your everyday outfield. I’m just glad you don’t get to make the decisions for the Yankees.
In another one of your posts, you cherry pick stats to show how your mancrush Gardner had better seasons than some bigger names. You say that OBP is the most important part of a hitter’s game, which is ludicrous. I don’t give a crap about a .345 OBP if there is no power with it. You listing Grady Sizemore as a comparison is a g-damn joke of all jokes.
Sizemore’s OPS+ was 111 in an injury-filled year. Before that he hadn’t been below 123 in the last four years. He’s just barely a year older than Gardner is. If you’re not even going to attempt to be objective about it, why bother? You picked out OBP because it helped your case, despite the fact that there isn’t another stat in the world that would have.
The fact is this, if you bat Melky and Gardner in the 8/9 holes of the lineup, whoever is hitting 7th will never see a fastball again. My opinion is that your opinion is terrible.
As for my idea, I’d support bringing Damon back on a reasonable contract if possible. He can play a decent enough LF, and can still get it done with the bat, especially at Yankee Stadium. If not, Cashman should pursue potential trade options like he did last year with Swisher. There are dozens of better options than an outfield featuring Brett Gardner and Melky Cabrera. I’m fine with having them split time at one position, but putting them both in the lineup 140 times would be a disaster.
If you don’t see that, I can’t help you.
by New York Sports Jerk on Nov 13, 2009 10:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and what if Damon
can’t be re-signed at a ‘reasonable’ contract? his agent is Scott Boras after all.
even if he can, he’s 36 years old and is a below average LFer, which is already one of the weakest defensive positions on the diamond. and we’d likely be paying for his past production, not his future, whereas Melky and Gardner are probably going to get better.
you need to realize that defense matters, and that’s what gives Gardner a lot of his value. Damon was the worst fielder among qualified players on the Yanks.
now if (and it’s a big if) Damon can be brought back for 1-2 years at a very reasonable deal, then maybe it makes sense. but if he demands 3+ years, i believe it would be detrimental to the team. that money could be better spent elsewhere.
by Travis G on Nov 13, 2009 10:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can you read?
I already explained what i’d like to see if Damon can’t be signed for a reasonable figure. i’m not going to hold your hand and walk you through it.
Go back and read it again.
by New York Sports Jerk on Nov 14, 2009 5:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
a blog is about
opinion and commentary. i thought about whether i should write my strong support for A, but i ultimately have to give my opinion. it’s a lot more interesting to give an opinion either way than merely present the stats and such, which would be rather bland.
by Travis G on Nov 12, 2009 11:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i have no problem
with you stating your opinion, obviously the purpose of a blog is to debate opinion, but i do wish you would provide your opinion after the facts are presented with a subsequent poll. this way we get a more accurate read on fans’ opinions as opposed to people voting after reading someone else’s opinion that may sway their own. you provide a compelling argument for “A” which is great, but i just wish you would do it after the poll as ended.
by goyanks69 on Nov 13, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I still want them to re-sign Mats and Damon
to team friendly deals.
If I had to pick one, its Matsui cuz I’d rather have a DH than have Damon cuz he’s a part-time DH/Horrible defender…tho he can still steal time out there obviously.
I’d really be pissed if the OF was Melky, Gardner and Swisher. Swisher’s still good, but 2/3 of the OF has 4th OF playing too much…that’s bad.
If they signed Nady to play LF that might be OK. Not sure if his arm at this point is any good, and I know he doesn’t have the greatest range. He’d be a nice RH/OF bat off the bench or maybe to spell Swisher when he’s slupming.
It all depends on the contracts..
but ideally I’d let Damon walk (after offering arbitration…hopefully he walks from it), re-sign Mats for DH, then sign Matt Holliday for LF.
I know it would essentially be ‘6’ OF cuz Matsui is I guess an OF option, but Swisher is a part time LF and if they have a guy like Pena or even JHJ…utility players are good for something like that.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 12, 2009 11:39 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
To be fair
Any arm in left right now is better than Damon…I really don’t want Holliday, sorry I just really don’t like the guy I think he’s a NL player, and will get crushed in the AL East and I don’t want to think of 6 or 7 years of that.
by DarthRichter on Nov 12, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't stand the "he's a NL player" argument...
it makes no sense.
Mark Texiera would have sucked on the A’s this year…that team was a POS this year.
Holliday, in the Yankees lineup, would be an RBI machine. He’s also an OBP machine, so he’d fit right in with the team.
He’s a good LF too overall.
If the contract is right, I’d take him in a second.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 12, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't want him in the field in the playoffs
his bobbled ball was atrocious
by goyanks69 on Nov 12, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
one play....
We had Nick Swisher in the OF…and I think he did fine (and Holliday’s a better defender than Swisher…)
Its one play. If horrendous plays had to define an either guy’s career…the Yanks would be without a lot of the players on their team (Cano, Swish, Posada, A-Rod..Melky…etc.)
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 12, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair Enough
You put anyone in front of A Rod and they can be an RBI machine….I think he’s gonn abe a bust but hey that’s my opinion, personally I don’t really want him.
by DarthRichter on Nov 12, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not in front of A-Rod....
Batting possible in the 7 hole, or when Matsui or Posada are off..in the 6 hole.
Guys like Cano and Swisher squandered a lot of opportunities and still ended up with 80+ RBI’s.
Holliday is a RBI machine batting with above average hitters in Colorado and Albert Pujols too.
He’s a better hitter than Damon too……thought I’d put that little tid bit in there.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 12, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No arguement there
He’s better than Damon, I just think that for what they are going to have to pay him, I don’t see it being worth it….Could he be great Yes, no doubt….I’m just not sold. I think Robbie will have a better year with RISP this year, so honestly I question if we even need him.
by DarthRichter on Nov 12, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well that's it...
I mean its just the whole argument that people say Holliday’s a NL player, not that great for Oakland..or even “Holliday sucks” that’s wrong.
I say it all the time if the price is right then go get Holliday…but its probably moot cuz its not gonna be.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 12, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ARE YOU KIDDING?
You seroiusly want to get rid of Damon over Matsui? The postseason is not the whole story! Damon in the two spot and in the field is better than Matsui in the 6th spot and on the DH. Matsui shined in the playoffs and my hat is off to him, but his numbers this year were not that good. I dont like the idea of a DH only player.Sign them both, but if not grab Damon and use Nady as a cheap OF if we need another option.
by shawn p on Nov 12, 2009 11:51 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Number not so good?
On 2 bad knees he hit 274 .367 .509 with 28 homes and 90 RBI’s in 456 AB’S!!! How is that bad? I agree on the DH only but, he is clutch and he can still hit the ball very very well…I think Damon is goign to want to much.
by DarthRichter on Nov 12, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
WHAT?
Both of their numbers were good.
Matsui had one of his best years in pinstripes.
And unlike Damon, he wasn’t the product of the short porch, he OPS’d over .130 pts higher on the road.
Damon is great. But as a DH, cuz that’s really where Johnny belongs, he is not as good as Matsui. CLose, but no.
Damon is not that good as a defender either.
So if I had to chose, I’d pick Matsui.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 12, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
DAMON
OFFER DAMON 2 YEARS IF NOT HAVE TO LET HIM WALK MATSUI IS BETTER HITTER
BIG YANKEE FAN,FROM MASS. HAVE TO PUT UP WIYH ALL THESE HOLE SOX FANS
by JEETS on Nov 12, 2009 11:59 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Bottom line
No matter what Boras says, the Yanks aren’t going to give Damon more than two years. If he can really get more than that on the open market- wish him all the luck, and peace out Johnny. Boras’ main argument is the Yanks gave multi-year deals to Mo and Jorgie, and will probably do so with Jeet, all in the mid to late thirties. The problem with that arugment is that those guys are life-long Yankees. While Johnny has been good in Pinstripes, and I love the guy- the Yankees owe him nothing.
If Matsui is amenable to a one year deal, do it. No more than that. It’s going to be more and more important in the coming years for the Yanks to keep the DH open, to be able to rotate the elder statesmen in and out of that spot.
All that said- I would love to keep them both- at reasonable terms- one year for Matsui, one or two for Johnny. If I had to choose one though- it would be Johnny, just because of the flexibility he offers over Hideki.
by NumberSeven on Nov 12, 2009 12:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
and...
no to Holliday— the last thing the Yanks need is another 6-8 year contract on the books. It’s not a money issue. If they could sign Holliday to a 3-4 deal, I’d say back up the $$ truck. But I don’t think that’s gonna happen.
by NumberSeven on Nov 12, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that's why I keep saying if the contract is right....
He’s a good ballplayer, but if they’re paying him $20 mill when he’s 38…that’s gonna suck.
That said, I think Boras is full of crap with his asking price for Holliday.
I just don’t see him getting a gigantic contract, especially if the Yankees aren’t going to go and overspend for him. (if everyone’s lowballing however…4 years and $20mill might be worth it)
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 12, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's hope...
that they figure out a shorter term contract is not entirely detrimental.
Let’s say Holliday signs with NYY, bats in our lineup. Even with the AL pitching adjustment (he’s not an NL-only player, but let’s face it, the AL is a tougher league), he should put up numbers at least similar to his Cardinals numbers? With a shorter term contract, that would enable him to sign another free-agent contract, before he hits his declining years. Wouldn’t that be a benefit to him as well as us?
by Vancouverguy on Nov 12, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
interesting logic...
…but one that Scott Boras would never pay any heed to!
by NumberSeven on Nov 12, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Him?
Probably not.
But for the Yanks? Yea, 3-4 maybe 5 years would be better.
For Matt, 7-8 would be better (guaranteed contracts an all…)
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 12, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
of course...
there;‘s always one of those opt-out thingy’s in the contract….
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 12, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
just heard on the radio
Out here in MASS that the Red Sox are Prepared to offer Matsui a multi year deal.
by Yankz09 on Nov 12, 2009 1:02 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Bullshit.
Where is he going to play? He and papi going to split time at DH? They’re going to puit him in LF? Not a chance in hell.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Nov 12, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Option A is a total disaster, and completely out of the question.
Having a starting outfield featuring Melky Cabrera AND Brett Gardner on an everyday basis would be one of the world hitting outfields in baseball history.
The 43% of you who voted for that option should visit a psychiatrist, ASAP.
by New York Sports Jerk on Nov 12, 2009 1:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
but if they don’t sign Damon…what do you think?
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 12, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cameron in CF and one of Melk/Gardenr in LF
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Nov 12, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can roll with this
tho its interestin the Gardner part in LF.
I think GGBG, if he’s starting that day, may be a better option in CF and Cameron in LF.
Cameron would upgrade the OF defense over Damon tho.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 12, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If they don't sign Damon...
…go find another OFer. I can live with Melky/Brett platooning in CF, but having both of them in the everyday lineup is such a colossally stupid idea I can’t even put it into words.
It doesn’t even have to be Holliday/Bay. Nobody saw the Swisher deal coming last year, finding even a mid-level OFer would be better than putting Melky and Gardner in the same OF.
by New York Sports Jerk on Nov 12, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Melky and Gardner
in the same outfield = Third Place.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Nov 12, 2009 1:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If they do nothing major in free agency
the best option I see is resign Nady and Damon. Go for broke that Nady can be your full time LF option with DH Damon and CF Melky as insurance, Gardner backing up Melky with Ajax up first if needed.
This is roughly what the plan was going into last year, but with some guys in different places and no Matsui. In this scenario they also need to keep Hinske or add someone comparable instead.
I am all for staying out of the spending spree this year and going 100% balls out for Joe Mauer next year.
by Jaybat on Nov 12, 2009 2:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
MIke Cameron???
I do not like the idea of signing Mike Cameron. Cameron is 36 yrs. old and I have not seen many 36 yrs. old playing CF in the MLB. He definitely is not the answer. I also do think Gardner is an everyday player. If Scott Boras wants too much for Damon, NYY should let him walk away. In that case, I am against over-paying for Bay and Holliday and am for signing Nady. If healthy, I do not see much difference between Nady vs. Bay/Holliday. For 2010, NYY’s outfield may look like RF Swisher, CF Melky/Gardner, LF Nady. LF position needs to be a power bat as Melky and Gardner should not occupy two positions in the outfield. Hopefully, Melky’s power will continue to rise although I do not see it to go up by much.
by yankeesintexas on Nov 12, 2009 2:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Where's the In Cash We Trust option on the pole?
I don’t think we’ll see any of those scenarios. Cashman has a knack for working behind the scenes. Some other free agent, or a trade will happen.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
by jscape2000 on Nov 12, 2009 3:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree with the
sentiment that option A must have had a thumb on the scale.
Anyway, I think Damon may come easier than a typical Boras client, as this piece from RAB seems to indicate:
http://riveraveblues.com/2009/11/damon-boras-not-on-the-same-page-19838/
I love Matsui, but I can’t see re-signing a full-time DH, especially since Jorge is going to have to start to make a transition to DH tomorrow. A-Rod and Jeter are going to need more rest. Conclusion: We need the DH slot for aging position players.
The best course, imho, is re-signing Damon for a year, letting Ajax ripen and kicking Melky/Gardner into LF in 2011.
I always feel pressure. What I don't have is fear. -- El Duque
by LateInningRelief on Nov 12, 2009 3:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I’m surprised Ben wrote that. He’s usually one of my favorite writers, but I think he’s let the pinstripe blinders get the better of him this time.
Damon said the same kind of stuff about leaving the Red Sox.
And his quotes to the media all sound like “Show me the money” to me.
“all thing being equal”
“[The Steinbrenners] want to win and they proved it last year” (by spending a boatload of cash)
“New York has all the resources in the world”
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
by jscape2000 on Nov 12, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No offense Travis
but option A is ridiculous. That outfield is a joke. Melky AND Gardner starting EVERY DAY???? I’m fine with platooning them, because then they could play the hot hand, but both in the lineup every day is going to kill us. Gardner is a fourth OF at best. Thats a fact. Yea, he can run and play defense, but if you can’t hit, you’re not playing. And Gardner can’t hit. He’s a mediocre hitter against bad pitching. When good pitching comes around, he looks lost (like in the WS). Melky and Gardner should platoon in CF next year w/ Melky getting most of the time. But both of them starting in the OF, at the same time, is going to be disastrous.
No to Holliday or Bay. We don’t need them. I’d like to see them bring Matsui and Damon back, but if they can only bring one back it should be Damon. He can still play LF and can still run the bases. His swing is built for Yankee Stadium, and he’s great in the clubhouse. If you ask me, he should take a leaf out of A-Rod’s book. Pretty much throw Boras out the window and negotiate a new deal himself if he really wants to stay, because Boras is only going to hurt Damon’s chances of remaining a Yankee. Damon, I think, should be brought back, unless the Yankees are unable to negotiate a fair deal (which, with Boras, is possible). Matsui? It depends. I love the guy, and he can still hit. But he can’t play the field. The Yankees need to determine how ready AJAX is and how much Posada can catch next season before committing more money to Matsui. Because if Jorge needs a ton of DH time, then Mats isn’t going to be playing as much as he would like. And if Austin Jackson is ready for a shot at the majors, then there also probably won’t be room for Matsui. So the Yankees need to figure some things out first with their team before they bring back Matsui. I’m hoping things work out.
by nyyrocks29 on Nov 12, 2009 4:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Gardner is a fourth OF at best. Thats a fact.
sorry, but it’s simply not a ‘fact’. a fact is that Gardner hit .270 this year. because you say Gardner is a ‘4th OFer at best’ doesn’t make it so.
his OPS+ (93) was higher than other CFers such as Josh Hamilton (90), Colby Rasmus, Vernon Wells and BJ Upton (to name just a few ‘big names’). then when you throw in his stellar baserunning and defense it makes him even more valuable.
what you may fail to realize is that GGBG’s OBP is a semi-impressive .345, higher than the likes of Melky Cabrera, Carlos Lee, Jason Giambi, Grady Sizemore, Mike Cameron and David Ortiz (again, to name just a few).
OBP is the most important part of a batter’s game. that has always been one of his strengths. his other strengths (speed & D) cannot be forgotten, especially since he plays one of the most important positions on the field.
he won’t hit like Damon or Holliday, but he plays much better D, makes pennies (relatively speaking), allowing money to be spent elsewhere, wouldn’t require losing a top draft pick to sign, and like i wrote above, should only improve as he enters his prime (unlike Damon/Holliday/Bay).
by Travis G on Nov 12, 2009 11:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I completely agree.
There are a bunch of Gardner haters here.
Give the kid an honest shot.
What? We don’t have power hitters in our line up??
He is good now and will be better next year. Save the money for another position and lets see how both Gardner and Cabrera do in ’10.
by McDaniel on Nov 13, 2009 10:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nobody hates Brett Gardner...
its just that he’s not a starter.
He’s no better than Juan Pierre.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 13, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I took care of Sizemore in a previous post...
…now I"m going to take apart the rest of your other OF comparisons:
Carlos Lee – 118 OPS+, 26 HR, 51 Ks in 662 PAs (Gardner struck out 40 times in 284 PAs)
Mike Cameron – 111 OPS+, 24 HR
Josh Hamilton – back injury, ab injury, alcohol relapse. He had a bad year. You’d take him over Gardner in 2 seconds.
Colby Rasmus – 22 years old, hit 16 HR in his first big league season. You’d take him over Gardner.
Vernon Wells – a terribly overpaid baseball player.
BJ Upton – had a terrible year. You’d still take him over Gardner and you know it.
Melky Cabrera – 99 OPS+, 59 K’s in 540 PAs. In other words, more power, fewer strikeouts than your boy Gardner.
There’s no shame in being a 4th OFer. Gardner is 26 years old and hits like a natural righty who switches to the left to play his little brother in wiffle ball.
by New York Sports Jerk on Nov 13, 2009 10:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i admit
those guys have a higher OPS+, but you should know that OBP is more important than SLG. both are nice, but OBP correlates more to scoring runs than SLG does. i never said he had or would have more power than those guys, only that he had a higher OBP (which is more important than SLG).
and please don’t forget defense and baserunning. i dont believe GGBG will be a better pure hitter than Lee, Sizemore or Upton, but there’s more to a baseball player than just OPS+, like the aforementioned defense and baserunning. he also comes dirt cheap, allowing that money to be spent elsewhere.
by Travis G on Nov 13, 2009 10:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OBP is not more important than OPS.
It isn’t. I don’t think I need to explain why a double is better than a single, a triple is better than a double, and a home run is better than anything else.
A higher SLG correlates to more runs.
I don’t care how cheap Gardner is, he is not an everyday outfielder at the major league level. If the Yankees are going to spend money, i’d like to see them address a need like their OF. You can’t seriously want Gardner and Melky out there 140 times each. For all your talk about defense, and your point about Damon being a terrible defensive player, the Yankees won 103 games in the regular season and the World Series because his offensive production far outweighed his defensive weaknesses.
Gardner’s defense/baserunning do not negate his terrible hiting ability.
by New York Sports Jerk on Nov 14, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What I would like to see...
Keep Swisher in right, he had a good season for us, and his career averages suggest that he will continue to perform at that level for a while. He’s 28, so he will most likely either stay where he is for 5ish years, or possibly get a bit better.
CF is a bit of a quandary. I’ve never believed that Melky is an everyday player, however I think Gardner could be. He plays a great defense, and can wreak havoc on the basepaths. His bat does need to improve a bit, and I think the best way he could do this is being more patient at the plate.
In LF, I would really like the Yankees to get Holliday. He’s still young, only 29 years old, so he has probably 6 or 7 years before he declines. He’s been a solid defensive player over his career, and a great offensive player. To put things in perspective, his 4 year average wOBA is .411. In Mark Teixeira’s best year (2008), he posted a wOBA of .410. Hello, would you like another Mark Teixeira in our lineup? Ummmmmm, YES PLEASE!
Finally, they should resign Matsui. Reasons: 1. the Red Sox apparently want him, we cannot allow that to happen. 2. He’s still a great hitter, even though he can’t really play the field anymore. 3. He’s likely to sign for much cheaper, and fewer years, than Damon. However, if Cashman will only sign Holliday if both Damon and Matsui are allowed to walk, then we need to do that.
by Wraithpk on Nov 12, 2009 6:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The Red Sox want him? Did something
happen to Daid Ortiz? If the Red Sox want him to patrol left field, I say let them have him.
by garp on Nov 12, 2009 7:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Your right about Holliday.
I read something yesterday that described Holliday as Teixeria lite. I knew he was a good hitter, but Teixeria is a real impressive comp.
Signing Hollday would be a great move. Forget bringing back Damon.
by Yankees82 on Nov 12, 2009 10:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I'll say it again...
Let them both walk. Sign Mike Cameron and shift Melky to LF.
by Scooby Snacks on Nov 12, 2009 7:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Your better off then Matsui or Damon then Cameron
Cameron is 36! He’s just as old!
by dwaa101 on Nov 12, 2009 9:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
just cuz dude's same age...
doesn’t mean he’s as injured like Matsui or injury prone like Damon. See: Jeter, Derek. He’s a old man too. He aint injured.
Cameron’s actually a rock in the OF.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 12, 2009 10:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No Cameron. What is your obsession with him?
He sucks and is too old. Leave it alone.
by McDaniel on Nov 13, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would add a cost efficient left fielder...
Marlon Byrd? Maybe trade for Crawford.
by dwaa101 on Nov 12, 2009 9:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Marlon Byrd is crap.
Crawford would cost too much in prospects….plus they can get him in 2011 if they still have a problem out there…
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 12, 2009 10:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
holliday was bad in Oakland
Because he let Mark Mcguire change his batting stance and approach at the plate.The instant he changed back he started to hit.It had nothing to do with the AL.Really makes me wonder why St.Louis hired him as hitting coach?They had to know Holliday would not like this.
by cashman bashman on Nov 12, 2009 10:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
left field
I understand that Damon and Matsui are both getting a little long in the tooth. OK, but they have both proven to be clutch – including in the field.
I don’t understand how so many people think Gardner is better in CF than Melky. Trade Gardner for any scrap metal you can get, keep the two old dogs, and let’s all get behind the Melkman, cause I love how that kid runs till his tongue hangs out!
by bronxkid on Nov 13, 2009 11:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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