Start the 'Doc' rumor mill again
"The world champion Yankees will inquire about superstar pitcher Roy Halladay, setting up a potential bidding competition that didn't exist last summer when now-deposed Jays GM J.P. Ricciardi made it clear he wanted to avoid trading Halladay within the division.
New Jays GM Alex Anthopoulos said on Tuesday that he would generally be willing to consider trades within the American League East..." (h/t BTF)
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This one ain't gonna happen
Yankees are just dipping their toes in the Jays’ trade waters. If their going to give up their entire farm system for a top-flight pitcher, I’d much rather get King Felix in return.
by Scooby Snacks on Nov 11, 2009 9:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Sure, but
Honestly, I’m not sure y’all have the prospects to make a deal like that happen.
Also, with the massive amount of payroll coming of the books this year, the Mariners have a fair bit of flexibility to extending Felix’s contract—and I’d be stunned if they don’t all but go for broke trying to keep him in Seattle. Besides, last time we lost a pitcher of his caliber (Johnson), it took several years for the local media to forgive the management for it—and the Mariners are just now starting to get some public goodwill again.
by Rachmaninoff on Nov 13, 2009 7:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta kick the tires on this.....
if this guy aint gonna drive up the price for the East teams…why the hell not?
I like CC..and Doc is probably a step above.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 11, 2009 10:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
He didn’t say he wouldn’t ask for more from the AL East, just that he’d be willing to trade with us.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
by jscape2000 on Nov 12, 2009 5:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rumor
What idiot started this rumor????…….Let’s leave it alone, sit back, enjoy the championship, and see what happens. Get the shorts out of your crack……everything will be all right.
by ndirish on Nov 11, 2009 10:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 11, 2009 10:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yea...
I had no idea the ? was gonna be this big….
buy yea, WTF to the dude above it….
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 12, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cash is just doing his due diligence.
Standard procedure.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Nov 11, 2009 11:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'll bite
If the Yankees were to package a deal, what kind of package could conceivably get Toronto to give up Doc?
by Peppered on Nov 12, 2009 12:19 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
If we took Wells' contract
we could probably have him for like IPK or something. But since Cash isn’t insane it would legitimately take in my opinion
One of Joba/ Hughes
Montero
Ajax
McAllister
One of ManBan/Arodys
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Nov 12, 2009 12:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That might be a good starting point.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
by jscape2000 on Nov 12, 2009 5:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Joba or hughes + jackson and jesus + romine or russo + 1 or 2 lesser prospects
so it might take us 5 or 6 players and that is a whole lot of plusses and hits to our farm. i say yes imagine cc and doc and a.j and andy and joba or hughes and wang when ready. 28 here we come!
by jv52yankees on Nov 12, 2009 12:24 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wow, that's a lot.
I don’t mind giving up Joba for Doc, but I really wanted to see what Ajax as a finished product in pinstripes would look like.
Would it work if its Melky instead of Ajax? We’re probably going to get the most out of Melky at this point anyway.
by Peppered on Nov 12, 2009 12:32 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
No. At this point, Melky pretty much is what he is.
Ajax floor is pretty much right about what the melkman produces now except Ajax has a wealth of untapped (thus far) potential.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Nov 12, 2009 12:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe toronto doesn't kno that heh
Joba, Melky, Montero and 2 other lesser prospects for Doc
by Peppered on Nov 12, 2009 12:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm...
Robinson Cano @ 1st or Short or OF
Joba Chamberlain
Austin Jackson
Pitching Prospect
Would you make that trade?
by RuBiCaNT on Nov 12, 2009 12:40 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
who plays 2nd?
As much as I loathe Robinson Cano, there really isn’t a lot of options at 2B to warrant getting rid of him.
by Peppered on Nov 12, 2009 12:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
also
have to consider that Damon or Matsui or both could be gone meaning they can’t afford to lose the bat of Cano, even if he can only hit when theres no pressure at all. If we have to give up a starter for Doc, might as well be Melky, the Yankees have been itching to give Gardner some more playing time anyway. Let Gardner hold CF until Jackson comes up.
by Peppered on Nov 12, 2009 12:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if they do
I can definitely see them entering the Matt holliday bidding to strengthen their outfield
by Peppered on Nov 12, 2009 12:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
risk could go either way
at best, we get doc and matt holliday… doc and cc together would just be beyond insane. if matt holliday can hit as well as he did with pujols, esp now that he has added protection in the yankee lineup, then itd be worth it.
the worst case scenario is if we cant get more than 2 productive years out of of doc and new york chokes the life out of matt, then we’re stuck with 2 long contracts, never mind the backlash if ajax starts tearing it up in toronto.
by Peppered on Nov 12, 2009 1:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is he worth it?
Seriously…is Halladay worth all this giving up?
(This is why I’m just a lowly fan and not a GM or anything)
by jigglytuffy on Nov 12, 2009 1:03 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
he's worth considering
he’s my favorite non-yankee so i might be a little big biased.
When he’s on, he’s just unstoppable. CC has shown that he’s more consistent, but I think Doc has a higher peak than CC.
Anyway, Cashman should at least consider all the options and what he can safely give up to acquire an A+ talent in Roy Halladay.
by Peppered on Nov 12, 2009 1:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen him pitch
…when he was facing us, but I honestly haven’t followed his work just for the fun (although I know he is awesome and owns us on occasion). I guess I’ve grown attached to the idiots we have and am a little leary of letting them go just for one person. :P
by jigglytuffy on Nov 12, 2009 1:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the last time the yanks faced him (maybe late aug or early sept?), Doc was dealing so well that by the 7th, you could just tell that the Yankees couldn’t wait for the game to be over. He’s overpowering, but he’s also very smart with his pitches.
If Joba gets moved, I’d feel bad for him cause he really wants to stay in NY, but at this point, Hughes has a better upside as a pitcher. Also, I’d be scared to lose Ajax. He’s an unfinished product at this point, but he’s got an insane upside, so I kinda wanna see him play a few weeks in the majors first before we start talking about dealing him.
Anyway, I agree it’s risky to try and acquire Doc because Toronto will surely ask a lot for his services. But then again, it is Roy Halladay we’re talking about.
by Peppered on Nov 12, 2009 1:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Halladay
Had a perfect game going until Ramiro Pena doubled as the only hit in the game. He was dealing and if it wasn’t for those 6 or so starts where he was average he probably would have won the Cy Young.
by RuBiCaNT on Nov 12, 2009 1:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah thats right
I remember that game. It was one of the few times where you could just tell the Yankees weren’t going to get runs off him. He almost made them look discouraged and disheartened. That’s a guy I’d love to have on my team.
Also, he’s shown to be a great locker room guy and mentor to younger pitchers. AJ credits him a lot when he had his 18 win season in Toronto. He’s also very friendly with Mo, I’ve read that at one time Mo even taught him his cutter.
But a 1-2-3 punch of CC Doc and AJ would just be beyond phenomenal. I’d take those 3 over any 3 pitcher lineup in the last decade.
by Peppered on Nov 12, 2009 1:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about our minor leaguers
I’m not familiar with what AJAX can or can’t do and as a result, have no opinion on him. Maybe Halladay will pull a Bobby Abreu and we’ll get him for like next to nothing. Wishful thinking.
I still want Wang back! :P
by jigglytuffy on Nov 12, 2009 1:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we are still undervaluing wang in this
he plays a big role in our pitching
by jv52yankees on Nov 12, 2009 1:53 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
This may be a bit of posturing
by Anthopoulos to make the Yanks into a stalking horse. The first thing they teach you in GM school: If you’re a seller, make sure you’ve got the Yankees in the hunt.
That said, Halladay is really the only must-have on my radar screen right now. I would try to hang on to either Ajax or Montero. But I’d be okay departing with Joba or Hughes + Ajax or Montero + a mix of prospects.
I always feel pressure. What I don't have is fear. -- El Duque
by LateInningRelief on Nov 12, 2009 8:43 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
my friend just reminded me of something
they might want joba AND hughes
by jv52yankees on Nov 12, 2009 10:57 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
But as the old saying goes....
a bird in hand is better than two in the.. (well.. you get the idea).
With Doc, you KNOW what you’re getting. You’re going to get a guy that makes his 30-35 starts, will give you 200+ IP, 3ish ERA, go deep in games at all times, sturdy as hell. We will be basically getting a right-handed CC.
I know we’ll have to give up AT LEAST one of Joba/Hughes, and I love them both, but I’m open to giving up on one of them. I know a lot of you have mentioned AJAX, but does anyone project AJAX to be as good as… Adam Jones for example? I know for sure that Halladay is a hell of lot better than Bedard. So, if we build our package around Joba or Hughes/ AJAX and a few low level prospects, I’m all for it.
Also, don’t forget, our drafting usually hinges on high-risk / high reward picks. That means they have as good a chance of flaming out as the next guy, and that basically no one on our farms are “sure-things”. (Well, relatively speaking). I’m all for certainty over prospects.
If we have a rotation of CC – Doc – AJ – Andy – Joba/Hughes (whoever left) and then Wang for the second half, with Joba/Hughes moving to the Bullpen, we’re solid.
(Of course, we still need to look at the outfield/DH issue… but that’s for another thread.)
by Vancouverguy on Nov 12, 2009 2:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Has andy or the yankees said anything about his return?
Because u guys have andy on your rosters in your comments…
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by NYYWinsRings27 on Nov 12, 2009 5:20 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
no andy news yet
probably not for awhile.
If he resigns, I don’t think they pursue Doc as much. If he retires, all bets are off concerning Doc and Lackey.
by Peppered on Nov 12, 2009 7:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if he retired, i would be mad AS HELL
But, then we might HAVE to get a Doc or King Felix or lackey.
by jv52yankees on Nov 12, 2009 7:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Not convinced that Felix really wants to leave Seattle, though.
The Mariners can write him a huge check this offseason (lots of money coming off the books+very wealthy owner…look at the money that came out of nowhere to cover Ichiro’s extension)…and don’t forget, Felix passed on several bigger-market team offers (including the Yanks) when he first signed as a nondrafted FA.
Unless/until he hits free agency, I wouldn’t write him into your projections/plans. He’s the young face of the franchise, and management/ownership knows it.
by Rachmaninoff on Nov 13, 2009 7:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure the Yankees have the prospects to pull it off..
and also, sure the Mariners would be willing to trade him.
Both the Yanks and Red Sox looked into trading for him at the trade deadling. They didn’t get him cuz of the asking price.
SO…that means they’d be willing to trade and the Yanks have the prospects, its just do they want to go through with it
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 13, 2009 7:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can't speak to what the Yanks offered at the deadline...
But I’m not convinced that you all have the pieces to do a deal. My impression is that the Red Sox have a stronger (or at least more trade-attractive) farm system, and the Mariners reportedly turned down a “pick five” deal that included names such as Bucholtz.
Also, this quote from the end of this summer:
" On Tuesday, I asked Zduriencik what the odds are that Hernandez will start on Opening Day 2010.
“He’ll be on the mound unless we get Koufax or Marichal,” Zduriencik said. “That’s a long way to predict. But I have all the confidence in the world that he’s going to be there. I think he’s going to be a big part of what we’re doing.”
Zduriencik acknowledged again that he listened to trade offers for Hernandez before the July 31 deadline, but noted that’s his job and that he’s really not looking to move the Mariners star pitcher with two years remaining on his contract."
by Rachmaninoff on Nov 13, 2009 8:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously, if trading cost were literally no object....
You could make it happen. But you could say the same about virtually any decently-stocked team. And unlike when writing checks for free agents, even the Yanks have to have some level of restraint when trading for talent.
by Rachmaninoff on Nov 13, 2009 8:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
From what I heard...
the M’s GM was listening and making counter offers.
I know the Red Sox and yanks backed away from those counter offers.
That there even was a counter offer..means that they would be willing to trade him and also there were pieces that they’d want for him.
Yea, its his job to listen to offers. Its also his job to shut up the media when refering to things like this.
I don’t think a deal is likely. But if you think that not only would they not part with him but that the Yanks don’t have the pieces….your wrong.
Its all dependent on what the Yanks would be willing to part with. That is all.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 13, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
as much as I love Halladay, and as much as I love the idea of trotting out a rotation of CC, Halladay, AJ, and Andy (keeps fingers crossed), I can’t help but be weary of mortgaging our future for one (albeit elite) pitcher
Play today, win today, ‘das it.
by noonoo on Nov 12, 2009 8:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
new member here
been following the blog for a while now, but i didn’t join until now
anyway, i really hope they will go after halladay… if i were them, i would definitely pull the trigger for giving up joba/hughes (preferably joba), montero/ajax (maybe both), and another lesser prospect or two (if only one of montero/ajax is traded). with andy another year older if he decides to return, having only 3 proven starters might be a problem especially since wang is not due to come back until midseason. Rather than throwing money at lackey who had some injury problems, they should trade for halladay who is a higher caliber, then extend him for however long they want after 2010.
by Hand Warmer on Nov 13, 2009 4:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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