A Play for Bay?
by Brij on Nov 10, 2009 10:48 AM EST
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PrintI know it's a mortal sin to like anything Red Sox. But, all throughout the 2009 season, I have been impressed with their outfielders, particularly with CF Jacoby Ellsbury and LF Jason Bay, one of the offseason's biggest free agents.
A Play for Bay: I have no idea if it would happen, considering that the rumors say that Angels SP John Lackey would be as far as the Yankees would go. But, I do wish they'd get Bay (instead of Holliday). I quite like his quiet demeanor and batting statistics. Not that I'm against Matt Holliday and his Great Bobble. But, I just find Bay a fit in that fifth spot in the line-up that would become a revolving door when Matsui leaves. I think Bay would be a perfect fit to bat behind A-Rod. 36 HRs. .300+ AVG. I hear his defense is a bit suspect, though.
Gardner Everyday: I'd flip if Brett Gardner doesn't get that center field role. I know his offense is far from, well, major league level. But, the range of that guy in the outfield? You would think there's two of them out there.
No Way, Jorge: I love Jorge. I think he's the most passionate and proud Yankee in that roster. But, it's pretty obvious that age has gotten to him. He's slow in reacting to breaking balls. His arm strength's not as good as it was in the late 90s. And, is it just me or has he been a bit absentminded lately? Jorge's offense, however, is as potent as ever. So, I vote Jorge as 80% DH and 20% behind the plate. Maybe give youngster Cervelli a chance? Or wait for Joe Mauer to join the Yankees?
Damon or Matsui: They should keep one. I really think they should. Thing is, which? Still undecided. :/
Gosh, with the Yankees, the sky is the limit. They say they'd stop spending. Then, come offseason, they'd just surprise you with a big-time free agency market haul. :D But, I do hope they get Bay.
Out of all them Red Sox, he's the one I like the most. :D
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“I’d flip if Gardner’s doesn’t get the CF role”????
Are you serious?
Melky’s got just as much range and is semi-competant at the plate. Gardner has no arm and no bat.
Dude’s a 4th OF and a pinch runner. The Yankees would have to be downright FOOLS to go and start Gardner full-time.
The platoon of those 2 worked well cuz when one sucked, the other can take over for a few games.
But on a full-time basis? The both of them put together should be upgraded (not saying they can’t get away from Melkett Cabredner for another year…)
"It ain't over till its over"---
naw...
Melky and Gardner are almost equal at the plate. Gardner has a smaller sample size, since he’s only been up for 2 years, but their 4 year (2 in Gardner’s case) wOBA averages favor Melky by just .007. If you take into account that Gardner is one of the fastest guys in the majors right now, and is considered one of the best bunters in the game, I would say that he is more valuable offensively than Melky. You might think that Melky being a switch hitter would give him an advantage, but Gardner actually had better numbers against lefties than he did against righties last year.
Defensively, there’s no debate. Gardner is much faster and covers more ground. Melky is known for getting great jumps, but Gardner’s pure speed more than overcomes that. Everyone has a huge hard-on for Ellsbury, but Gardner actually has just as much, if not better, range. Really, the only difference between Ellsbury and Gardner is a difference of about .02 wOBA. And btw, arm isn’t that important for a CF, speed is much more valuable. Having said that, Gardner still had the same number of assists as Melky last year in half as many innings played.
That said, I don’t feel Melky is an everyday outfielder, and Gardner needs to get a bit better at hitting before he will be. I think if switch between them, like we did last year, the whole will be greater than the sum of the two parts.
well, i think Gardner’s gonna have a break-out Spring Training.
I just love the potential of that guy. :D
He’s an Ellsbury in the making.
Ellsbury in the making?
He’s practically the same player, lol. Ellsbury was slightly better than him offensively across the board, but only beat him in wOBA by .017. The important thing, though, is that Gardner improved much more over the previous year than Ellsbury did.
And uh...
no to Jason Bay BTW.
Not a bad ballplayer…but I’d rather sign Damon again (for like 2 years instead of the 5-7 that Bay might want).
"It ain't over till its over"---
For the love of God, no to Jason Bay...
He was featured on fangraphs today for his defense. Not in a good way either. He’s been the 5th worst defender in MLB the past three years by average. It’s not like he’s playing in a difficult position either. Granted, he’s been an excellent bat over those years, but I’d rather have both offense and defense (Holliday) than overpay for a one-dimensional player. Not to mention, the market almost always overvalues offense (power in particular) and undervalues defense. Of course, that isn’t to say Holliday is the best LF in the game, but he’d be an upgrade over Damon and certainly over Bay.
Enough with the Mauer Talk!
He ain’t joining the Yanks (ever). We don’t need him. We have Cervelli, thank you very much. (I like Molina too, sue me)
Po (Jorge) is becoming rather hilarious behind the plate, and no not for the right reasons. I love the man, but I had to shake my head too many times this year in regards to his defense. I think it’s time to start slowly transitioning him from behind the plate, no matter how much he whines about it.
I don’t see the Yanks making any deals like they did last year. Maybe one person, but nothing extreme.
I am a fan of the “Keeping Mat and Damon” variety. And, I still believe that Wang is going to come back the way he used to be. I haven’t written him off like nearly everyone else. You all forget what he was like up until mid-June last year. He was our ace and a damn good one at that.
We need another pitcher. Melky and Gardner worked fine. Not the best, but they worked. No way in hell do I want to see Bay in Pinstripes…sorry.
Mauer
It’s fine to say Mauer’s not joining the Yanks. He may not- he may very well choose to stay in Minny. But to say the Yanks don’t need him because they have Cervelli and/or Molina (who by the way is not likely to be in Pinstripes next year)? That’s just ridiculous. That’s like saying- “A solid gold bar? No thanks, I’ll just keep this aluminum one.”
Mauer is far and away the best offensive catcher in the ML right now- and one of the top overall offensive players. And he plays a solid defense behind the plate as well. So say you don’t Mauer, becuase he’ll be too expensive, or what have you— but don’t say you don’t want him because we already have Cervelli. Come on.
+1
if the Yanks trade Montero..or he flames out, then why the hell not?
Of course they could use Mauer…I’m sure about 28 other teams could use him too. He’s the best in the business and still young.
Molina and Cervelli are backups. If those are our only 2 options…and they pass up Mauer if he’s available…??? Really?
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 10, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
and I think Montero has
Mauer potential.
Since he does, that’s why they can look past Mauer.
That, and that he may want a gigantic contract that would look like hell considering he’s a catcher….
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 10, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
I've never seen Wang during his ace type seasons.
As I started actually watching the seasons this year, but I believe Wang can come back to form. Nearly everybody has a bad season in their career.
Yankees all day.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." ~Rogers Hornsby
Nice point
What about Wanger??? Should be interesting to see what direction they go with him.
Anybody in the mood for a repeat?
by ReggieARodJeter on Nov 11, 2009 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
You're crazy for loving Gardner that much.
He is a 4th OFer, no more, no less. If he’s out there more than 70 games, I’ll flip.
by New York Sports Jerk on Nov 10, 2009 3:30 PM EST reply actions
Gardner is a fourth OF
thats it. He can run. He can play an excellent center field. But the GUY CAN’T HIT!!!!!! You play him for 150 games, and you don’t even know if he’s capable of hitting .220 in the majors. Good pitching KILLS him. Did you see him in the WS? He looked lost. I know he’s fast, but what will speed do if he can’t get on base? .220 with 5 homers at most is not something I want starting in center field. Leave Melky there. He’s earned it. He’s the center fielder. If AJAX is ready to play, then put him in CF and move Melky to left. But Melky, I think, has earned at least an opportunity to play next year.
Montero
He’s our future, in my opinion. Posada remains a great stick, but defensively he’s grasping at the comet’s tail. Hopefully Girardi will substantially cut his catching time and slide him into a DH role. Perhaps Cervelli can do the job while we wait for Montero to come of age.
As for Gardner, at this point I see him as our version of Herb Washington.
Leave Melky alone. He’s younger, stronger, covers more ground and has a better arm and bat.
"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will
I hope Mauer never becomes a Yankee. Regardless of his stats.
He should stay a Twin for the rest of his life.
Yankees all day.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." ~Rogers Hornsby
+1
Mauer belongs on the Twins. It would be like Derek Jeter leaving the Yankees. Just not right for baseball.
Mauer will be on the Twins. Hopefully. Montero is the Yankees future behind the plate. He is going to be one hell of a hitter.
It would be nice but...
As far as I know, the Twins don’t have the money to make Joe Mauer the 2nd highest paid player in baseball like the Yankees did with Jeter in 2001. Unless they come up with $25 mil a year over 7 or 8 years he’s going to a big market.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Nov 10, 2009 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
Thank You
That’s how I feel and why I think we need to just leave it be.
by jigglytuffy on Nov 11, 2009 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
Anybody feelin' Carl Crawford? Whats his status?
Anybody in the mood for a repeat?
by ReggieARodJeter on Nov 10, 2009 10:30 PM EST reply actions
pretty sure he's got a team option for $10 mill.
1 year and 10mill is cheap for Crawford so I think TB’s gonna use it. I think they’ll try and trade him midseason if they are out of it, but that’s another story.
Crawford is more of a 2011 option (provided he doesn’t re-up).
Other than that if the Yanks could find a way to get him….he’d be an excellent option as a LF.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 10, 2009 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
Crawford
I’d love Carl Crawford but I can’t see the Rays trading him to us and having him hurt them all year unless we really gave up a king’s ransom.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Nov 11, 2009 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
Agree
But like I said all this year no way to Bay….and I also think the Melky/Gardner platoon is just fine until AJax can man the post. No Holliday, no Bay. Grab a quality starter and we’ll be in business again.
Anybody in the mood for a repeat?
by ReggieARodJeter on Nov 11, 2009 12:17 AM EST reply actions
No Bay!
Bay hit the crap out of the ball at the start of last year, but kind of fell off. There must be a reason that the Red Sox doesn’t want him after one year of service. I agree that Johnny D for two years might be the best way to go. Keeping the team the same and adding another pitcher is our best hope to return to the Series.
Crawford
I think wed all love Carl Crawford, but the Rays picked up his option therefore he will not be on the Yanks. They have 3 options, sign either Dye, Bay or Holliday. Trade for Granderson, or move Gardner to center and Melk to right. Gardner is great on the bases, but thats about it. He isnt a great fielder, he has Johhny Damon type arm, and can’t hit worth anything. Best bet is option 1, go get one of the big 3. Keep Melk in Center (Can this guy get some respect already, hes pretty damn good, he can hit, underrated fielder with a strong arm) and go get a SP or 2.
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