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WTF was Derek thinking?

Or maybe it was Girardi. Either way, it was an incredibly dumb move. I didn't have a problem with him bunting on 0-0 and 0-1 with two runners on and no outs, but to bunt on 0-2 is idiotic.

1. Derek Jeter is a .317 career hitter, 2. he happened to hit .334 this year, 3. Jeter is fast enough to beat out GDPs that most other runners can't, 4. the count was f'in 0-2!

(Like I wrote in the comments last night, I'd get to the negatives today. Also worth mentioning is A-Rod's 0-8 with six K's. We need him to snap out of it.)

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Everybody makes mistakes...

…I seem to remember Mo giving up a homer to Sandy Alomar once. At least he owned up to it and it did not cost the game.

by cj1yank on Oct 30, 2009 12:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

he admitted

it was a stupid move on his part. he said the bunt was taken off by Girardi but he thought he would go ahead and still bunt. Girardi said Jeter is smart enough about baseball that he won’t criticize Jeter for it, Jeter thought he could get it down but it didn’t work out.

"When my time on Earth is gone, and my activities here are past, I want they bury me upside down so all my critics can kiss my a**"- Bob Knight
"All the arguing in the world can't change the decision of the umpire."- Lou Gehrig. Got that Aybar?

by JumpinJackFlash on Oct 30, 2009 12:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Mistakes are relative

Rivera giving up the home run to Alomar is a bad example – even the best pitchers are going to give up runs on occasion.

Jeter’s bunt (and Girardi’s penchant for sac bunting in general this postseason) was a conscious decision, and those kinds of mistakes are different. I don’t care what the situation is, I don’t care what traditionalists say, and I don’t care about “by the book” baseball – telling a hitter who’s posted a .400 OBP and a .450 SLG over 10,000 career plate appearances to sacrifice is absolutely, positively stupid and moronic. The sum of what you gain (moving up the runners exactly one base sometimes, having the lead runner thrown out sometimes, and missing the bunt altogether sometimes) does not even come close to outweighing the possibilities you’re giving up or the bad outcomes you’re avoiding (double play).

by 3460kuri on Oct 30, 2009 12:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Completely Agree

The 0-2 bunt was only slightly less moronic than the 0-0 and 0-1 bunts.

by LivinginthePosada on Oct 30, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Completely disagree

1) Jeter often takes it upon himself to bunt in those situations.

2) Jeter is a good enough bunter (usually) that he has a chance to reach base anyway

by GMan83201 on Oct 30, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ambition exceeded his ability

There’s not a single person in baseball that can be a good bunter on an 0-2 count. Jeter took a very big gamble and simply lost.

by Scooby Snacks on Oct 30, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But..

Jeter is a good enough hitter that he always has a good chance of reaching base. Bunting in that situation is no the smart play, no matter how many times he does it.

by LivinginthePosada on Oct 30, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Girardi trusted Melky enough to call a hit and run but asks Jeter to twice attempt a bunt? Jeter shouldn’t have attempted a third bunt, but at that point it was of little consequence because Girardi already put him in an 0-2 hole.

by XLII on Oct 30, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and Jeter has a propensity for the dreaded DP

Man on first no outs = no bunt
Man on second no outs = no bunt
Man on second AND first no outs = let him lay a bunt down and put runners in scoring position for Damon and Tex.

by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Oct 30, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

2009

716 PA

H 29.6%
BB 10.1%
K 12.6%
DP 0.25%
other outs 47.5%

Let the man swing.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Oct 30, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was swinging

He bunted on his own.

by Ed Valentine on Oct 30, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No I hear you

But this is one of those cases where I wouldn’t condemn Jeter or Girardi for trying to bunt those two over with no outs. Just remember how the Swisher and Melky bunting duo did in the Angels. But no way should Jeet tried to bunt with two strikes.

by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Oct 30, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

bad idea , but...

I’m pretty much always against the bunt, and I think Girardi has used it way too much this year.

However, I know Jeter sometimes takes it upon himself to bunt. If Girardi called it, took the call off, and Jeter bunted anyway – I’m not sure what either has said about it but have an idea based on the other posts – then I think Derek made a mistake. There’s a “HOWEVER” here, though, and I’m sure most of you know what it is.

The Yankees have Rivera coming in to close the game, and even with a 6 out save, you can feel good about that. They had already scored an extra run that inning, so now Rivera has 2 runs to play with, and you give Mo 2 runs, you can feel pretty good. I’m sure the thinking was, “give him 3 runs, we can allow for a mistake, some bad luck, the quirkiest quirk ever. . .” With runners on first and second, trying to get the runner to third with 2 outs and get a good shot at getting that 3rd run in – rather than risk a DP – probably made some sense. Even I didn’t get all upset when Jeter tried to lay the bunt down like I usually do. I figured, “OK. I’m cool with trying to give Mariano that third run. If they do that, game’s over.”

Jeter was obviously more confident in his ability to get the bunt down than in staying out of a double play. And as against the bunt as I am, if it’s gonna be used, this is the time to use it, I’d say.

(One other point to consider, too: if he lays the bunt down, it doesn’t necessarily mean an out. The Phils are feeling the pressure knowing Mariano’s coming in. There’s always the chance of rushing the play, throwing to the wrong base, throwing the ball away, etc. which has happened this postseason already)

by yankee-face on Oct 30, 2009 1:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jeter

has already admitted he did it on his own, and that it was stupid. After all these years I’m not killing Jeter for one bone-headed decision, especially an unselfish one.

by Ed Valentine on Oct 30, 2009 2:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I like the bunt

Not for Jeter, just an awful decision on his part, but I think it puts fear in the minds of the infileders. The Angels, the ANGELS, for goodness sakes, knocked themselves out of the playoffs by making consecutive errors on consecutive bunts in Game 6.
Major leaguers don’t see it that often nowadays, and the anticipation makes them tight. How many times a year do you see a highlight of a game where the pitcher or one of the infielders wings a throw down the outfield line?

by fredny on Oct 30, 2009 3:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hated the bunt

Hated to see Jeter take the bat out of his own hands. They won though…so it’s all good.

Just don’t do that again please!

I think he tried it for strike 3 he was trying to be tricky….

by Ragnar808 on Oct 30, 2009 4:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The latter portion

of your analysis is what is my concern. First, I will not be putting down A-Rod like a lot of people love to do…..not saying anyone on PA does. I am just concerned that him starting off like he has will start to play with his head. IMO, A-Rod can be somewhat of a head case. When something goes wrong he lets it bother his play and, now being that the wrong is his play, you have to wonder if this will put him back on that negative road he has been on before. His eye had been great. He wasn’t swinging at bad pitches before Wednesday night. Now he is doing it again and that concerns me. I think he wants to do so well that when he doesn’t he starts to become a desperate hitter. I may be putting the cart before the horse but, b/c of his past, you have to wonder how this will play out.

by Mondoas on Oct 30, 2009 4:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I liked the idea, but not the result

It’s like someone said in another thread, you go for it on 4th and 1 and get it you’re a genius, you don’t get it and you’re and idiot.

Jeter may or may not have thought that, “hey, I might ground into a double play, or I might catch them completely off guard by bunting on an 0-2 count and beating it out”. At the 0-2 point, I really don’t think it was about a sacrifice anymore.

Pure speculation of course, he is great in those situations just swinging away, especially in the postseason, so maybe just a head game that backfired.

Also, I agree with the above poster. If the Yankees win the Series and Arod goes without another hit at all, I wouldn’t say word one about it. He got us here, it’s time for everyone to get the job done now.

I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
I got bored and made a blog!! SCS

by VolBrian on Oct 30, 2009 5:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Travis G, for you to even start a thread about Jeter is what is stupid. I mean REALLY stupid. I can’t remember the last time he made a mental mistake and anyone else would be hard pressed to do so also. He is the great Yankee of modern day era and you are critisizing him, and wasting your time and everyone elses, over a failed bunt attempt? He is perhaps the most unselfish player of alltime or at least in the top 10 and puts the game and the team ahead of his checkbook and you are bitching? How many times has we won a game or saved a game for our beloved team and you spend your time about one bunt? Why don’t you talk about Cano not hustling running out ground balls, or Posada always back-handing balls in the dirt instead of blocking them with his body, or Girardi making mistake after mistake, etc. You rather waste your time on a missed bunt? You entitle your column in big bold letters, " WTF WAS JETER THINKING"? Let me ask you, WTF WERE YOU THINKING" when you wrote this. I found your article about Jeter to be absolutely uncalled for, unwarranted, unjustified and totally disgusting.

by TimSnit on Oct 30, 2009 9:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

can't please 'em all

first off, i did not capitalize the whole title, just ‘WTF’. if you’re going to attack me, at least get your facts straight.

second, i write what i feel, regardless of how great a player is or isn’t. it could have been Damon, Tex, or any other good hitter and it still would’ve been dumb. don’t you understand that it’s dumb BECAUSE DJ is such a good hitter?
DJ has been an amazing Yankee, i never questioned that – in fact, i praised his batting ability and speed. but he made a dumb play, simple as that. i’ve criticized other Yankees for doing stupid things (including your bane, Girardi), and i’ve praised them for smart things as well.
(so let me get this straight: because DJ has been great for many years, he should be totally immune from criticism? Yeah, and maybe Roger Ebert should disregard FF Coppola’s latest movie and instead say ‘Well, Godfather 1 & 2 were so good, who cares if his newest film is a POS? It’s great because of what he did 35 years ago!’)
If you are so sensitive as to attack me for validly criticizing a stupid baseball move, then i can’t help you, because it WILL happen again.

third, Jeter HIMSELF said it was stupid.

your response?

by Travis G on Oct 30, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Never said it was a smart move. Neither did Jeter. It simply isn’t worth the time talking about. Why don’t you write about scumbag Girardi, everyday, all day. He deserves it. How many times has he said he made a mistake? The answer is zero! Never heard you write anything negative about the chip on Cano’s shoulder or or his laziness and lack of hustle. That goes on every day! Pick on someone who deserves it. And if Jeter said it was stupid, wasn’t that enough for you? You need to write a column on it? How come you didn’t mention in the same article that Jeter was this year’s receipient of the Roberto Clemente award? Not newsworthy enough for you?

by TimSnit on Oct 31, 2009 12:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

wow
Never said it was a smart move. Neither did Jeter.

so what are you complaining about?

Why don’t you write about scumbag Girardi, everyday, all day. He deserves it.

you’re making yourself look much worse than i ever could.

by Travis G on Oct 31, 2009 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
I got bored and made a blog!! SCS

by VolBrian on Oct 31, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm kind of new to this site

But that’s a little uncalled for man, are you actually a Yankees fan?

Don’t mistake the silky smooth play of Cano for laziness, he is widely regarded as possibly the best up and coming second baseman around. Remember the fact that Jeter and Cano are the first DP combo to have 200 hits a piece in like 100 years? Yeah, that.

It’s completely fine to question one simple mistake by Jeter in one instance. I don’t think Travis’s piece took anything away from Jeter at all. Everyone knows what he mean to the Yanks and has for years.

Just relax man.

I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
I got bored and made a blog!! SCS

by VolBrian on Oct 31, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Same thoughts

I was thinking the same thing. I was ok with him bunting on the first two pitches, but 0-2? Was he drunk?

by lennysyankees on Oct 31, 2009 12:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

pardon me, tim. . .

just curious… what is “tim” short for? I’m trying to think of a girl’s name that could be shortened to “tim” and can’t think of one.

Don’t worry. Nobody’s criticizing Jeter. I know it’s tough when you have a crush on someone and think people are attacking them…

by yankee-face on Oct 31, 2009 2:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs


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