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The Angels' Best Hope: Joe Girardi

Although the odds may be against the Angels overcoming a 3-1 deficit and snatching the American League pennant from the New York Yankees, Los Angeles can take solace in three things:

•    Just two years ago, the Boston Red Sox rallied from being down 1-3 to defeat the Cleveland Indians in the AL Championship Series in seven games;

•    In 2004, the Yankees became the first team in baseball history to choke away a 3-0 lead in a best-of-seven series when they lost to the Red Sox. Five key members of the 2009 Yankees (Derek Jeter, Alex Rodriguez, Jorge Posada, Hideki Matsui and Mariano Rivera) played on the infamous ’04 club; and

•    Joe Girardi will manage the rest of the series for the Yankees.<!--more-->

Girardi (a.k.a. Captain Hook) could lose this series for the Yankees by himself. It is only because he has so much talent to work with — the best team money can buy — that a harsher light has not been shone upon his anal, wrongheaded managerial style.

In Game 3 of the ALCS, Girardi blew through relief pitchers the way a chain-smoker goes through a pack of cigarettes, allowing the Angels to win 5-4 in 11 innings.

Should the Yankees lose this series, Girardi will be remembered, if not vilified, for removing David Robertson with two out and nobody on in the bottom of the 11th in Game 3 only to have Alfredo Aceves allow a single and game-winning double to the next two batters.

Never before in postseason history, which dates back to 1917, had a team lost a game in extra innings after a manager replaced a pitcher with two out and nobody on base in an inning.

As Casey Stengel, a truly great Yankees manager, used to say, "You could look it up."

Girardi made the needless decision to put Freddy Guzman on the ALCS roster instead of Eric Hinske (who played in the last two World Series with the Red Sox and Rays, respectively).

Then, as if to justify that personnel decision, Girardi took A-Rod, the most dominant player in the postseason, out of Game 5 for pinch-runner Guzman with the Yankees trailing 7-6 in the top of the ninth.

What, A-Rod, who has run the bases swiftly and superbly the entire postseason, even stealing bases against the Twins and Angels, had suddenly forgotten how to run?

Only Captain Hook would inject himself into a postseason game in this way.

If the George Steinbrenner of old were still in charge, Girardi would have been called onto the owner's carpet a long time ago.

Sons Hank and Hal Steinbrenner don't know baseball well enough to see how ridiculously bizarre many of Girardi's moves have been.

Strangely enough, it would have been fitting for the Yankees to lose Game 5 by 8-7 (instead of 7-6) with Guzman scoring the tying run on a bases loaded walk in the 9th (something A-Rod could have done) and the Angels scoring the winning run in extra innings because the Yanks got no offense and inferior defense from A-Rod's replacement at third base, Jerry Hairston.

Only Captain Hook would yank A-Rod for Guzman and Hairston.

Only Captain Hook would yank Johnny Damon from left field and insert Hairston with Angels on first and third and one out in the 10th in Game 3 because Hairston has a slightly better throwing arm.

(And it is only slightly better. Hairston’s throws do not invite comparisons to Jesse Barfield.)

If the Yankees don't win the World Series, or even get there, Girardi will be the reason.

Charlie Manuel may sound like a country bumpkin from West Virginia, which he is, but the Philadelphia Phillies manager is too smart to take Ryan Howard out of a game for a pinch-runner.

The Yankees remain the favorites to meet Philadelphia next week in the Fall Classic because Game 6 of the ALCS, and a possible Game 7, will be at Yankee Stadium.

But the Angels still have a prayer, whenever the guy managing the Yankees decides to lay his hands upon the series.



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Girardi has made some truly bad decisions in the playoffs

I agree with that. But I still think he’s done a good job this season. I’m a fan of his. During the regular season, he did a great job of handling the bullpen, and much better than Torre ever did. Face it. As good as Torre was at motivating his players, and pushing all the right buttons, and setting his lineup, he was bad at managing his bullpen. Why? He had no trust in his players. You can ask Paul Quantrill, Tanyon Sturtze, and Tom Gordon, who are 3 of the pitchers that had their careers shortened because Torre overused them. Torre trusted 2-3 guys in that bullpen a year, and overused them way to much. Girardi, on the other hand, did a good job this year of mixing up his relievers, having trust in all of them, and getting decent seasons out of almost every one of them. He wasn’t given any stars (outside of Rivera) to work with, and he managed to put together one of the best bullpens in baseball. He needs some credit for that.

Now, in the postseason, it has been a tale of 2 managers. Girardi has made some great decisions in the postseason (decision to start CC on 3 days rest, using Rivera to keep the game tied and keep the Yankees in the game…….), and he has made some awful decisions. The awful decisions stick out more because, since they resulted in Yankee losses, and how losses are magnified in the postseason (especially in NY). But hey, was Torre perfect in the playoffs? No. The Yankees are in Game 6 of the ALCS and are one win away from the place that Torre never got too in his final 4 years in NY; the World Series. To blame Girardi for every loss and not give him credit when they win isn’t fair.

by nyyrocks29 on Oct 24, 2009 12:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Boo.

Now you’re thinking too rationally.

by Ooofa on Oct 24, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're sort of right, but I've had enough of the Torre bashing around PSA.

To be fair, one cannot cherry pick the years to compare with Torre… the fact is that under him, we won 4 WS in 5 seasons, were in the WS 6 out of 12 seasons, and made the playoffs all 12 seasons. One has to go WAY back in Yankees history to find a comparable period of dominance. The teams in 2004-2007 weren’t as talented as this year’s team, either… with the talent on this year’s team, for all we know Torre would have us in the WS again.

We also can’t cherry pick Girardi’s seasons, and last season the Yankees missed the postseason for the first time since 1993. Was it a coincidence that it was the first season Torre wasn’t at the helm?

Meanwhile, you’re right, Girardi has done some very good things. He’s also done some completely boneheaded things. Overall he seems like a bright guy (good!) who unfortunately feels the need to make his presence known in situations where maybe he shouldn’t (musical pitchers, for example, or replacing A-Rod for a pinch runner, or pulling Robertson in favor of Aceves with 2 out and nobody on in extra innings, etc.).

Regarding relievers, Torre had some combination of Stanton, Nelson, Ramiro Mendoza, and Mo for several years and they all seemed to perform well. He also mixed various others in… Graeme Lloyd comes to mind, for example… and he seemed okay with using them. In his more recent seasons, maybe he overused certain relievers because the remainder stunk!?! I have a feeling there was more going on than we know… for example, Cashman and/or the Steinbrenners may have insisted on certain players being on the team, which left Torre hamstrung as far as having the kind of guys he could count on.

Girardi seems a little green at this point… he may become great, but isn’t yet. Comparing the two overall, I feel like Girardi is the better manager at PREPARING for a game, and at choosing and developing personnel for the team… but he’s a relatively weak TACTICAL (meaning in-game) manager, something at which Torre excels. If we had Girardi building our team and identifying the right players to have on the roster, with Torre actually managing the games themselves, perhaps we’d have the best of both worlds.

by pinstriper on Oct 24, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Over the season he made a ton of great moves, but just because they worked then, doesn’t mean they will work now. Drop Swisher for Gardner and add some speedy defense and I think the series has a whole different look. Now, I think the problem with Girardi (who led us to the best record in baseball this year, don’t forget that) is where he first managed — the Marlins. There he had to be captain hook, he had to make adjustments, and most of all, its NL so he learned the Double Switch (and loves it) better than most AL managers. Say he first managed the White Sox or Angels, higher payroll clubs but not the yanks, we wouldn’t be in this situation.

All this aside, if he gets the yanks another ring, extend him for 3 years minimum.

by ZigKitsune on Oct 25, 2009 6:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Should the Yankees lose this series, Girardi will be remembered, if not vilified, for removing David Robertson with two out and nobody on in the bottom of the 11th in Game 3…

I really wanted to believe in Girardi’s ability to manage in the playoffs until the above had occurred. My initial reaction when the pitching change was made was a resounding WTF?!!

At the end of the day, Girardi does not play on the field. It’s up to players to execute.

by Scooby Snacks on Oct 24, 2009 6:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think that's a cop-out.

I could have Damaso Marte start game 5 and use the same lame excuse to exonerate Joe.

It’s the manager’s job to put his players in situations where they stand the maximal chance of succeeding. Joe failed to do that on multiple occasions.

by pinstriper on Oct 24, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Aceves

I completely one hundred percent agree that it was ridiculous for Girardi to remove Robertson in Game 3. However, I am sitting here and thinking to myself, what about Aceves? He didn’t get the job done. He needed to get one out in that inning. Bases were empty, and he couldn’t get the job done. Like I said, he should have never been brought in, but he should have been able to get the job done. I have seen so little written to blame Aceves. He deserves a great deal of it.

by SLS on Oct 25, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What season were you watching?

I don’t know what season you were watching, but I have been saying since July, what a lousy job Joe Girardi has been doing…I can point out 18 games the Yankees have lost due to his “great” managing…Can you show me anymore more than 5 games his moves have won? People on this site have been defending him all year, with “he’s a young manger”, “he’s learning”…bottom line, he hangs over the rail with that stupid look on his face, if the boss was still running the show, Joe would be lucky to be selling peanuts at the stadium!

by nichoj19 on Oct 24, 2009 7:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd pinch run for Arod

You can’t know that the next two guys are going to walk and be HBP.
Guzman is fast enough to score from first on a double, or take the base on a wild pitch.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Oct 25, 2009 10:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

absolutely not.

What happens if they tie?

No A-Rod for extra’s? Dumbest thing Joe’s done all year is take A-ROd out.

..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...

...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.

---Carl

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 25, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Obvious

There is always a tendency to blame a manager when things go wrong, and no manager makes only moves that work. However, Girardi is far beyond this. His management is bizarre to anyone who knows baseball and watches the games.
Stick with Swisher? Why? For his fielding?
Pinch run for A-Rod? Ridiculous.
Pull Robertson who was lights out? Madness.
Bottom Line – The Yankees have better hitters than LA, as good pitching, more power, home field advantage. The Angels have Girardi, the equalizer.

by RRR2577 on Oct 25, 2009 8:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs


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