Wait, so how exactly is this anything like 2004?
The 2009 ALCS and 2004 ALCS are practically mirror images of each other.
Indistinguishable.
Talk about carbon copies! I haven't seen this level of uncanny similarity since watching Woody Harrelson and Wesley Snipes in White Men Can't Jump.
Yeah, that's about how alike these two series are.
If I have to read one more thinly veiled (or downright overt, even) suggestion that the 2009 ALCS is "2004 all over again," I may spoon out my eyeballs with my bare hands without skipping a beat.
I'm sorry, HOW exactly is this ANYTHING like 2004?
As much as it pains me to even think about that dark time in my life, I'm going to bite the bullet for the sake of putting an end to this ridiculous Y2K-like mass hysteria and unfounded panic.
Let's consider the elements that shaped the 2004 mess:
- The Greatest Rivalry in Sports
- Yankees took 3-0 lead
- Red Sox hadn't beat the Yankees since the dawn of time
- A-Rod's empty performance
- Red Sox were the favorite entering series
- Yankees pitching: Mike Mussina, Jon Lieber, Javier Vasquez, El Duque, Esteban Loaiza, Kevin Brown
- Yankees Big Bats: Miguel Cairo, Derek Jeter, Hideki Matsui, Gary Sheffield (all below .300)
And in 2009?
- Not the greatest rivalry, or even a rivalry at all
- Yankees went up 2-0. Then 2-1. Then 3-1. Then 3-2.
- Yankees haven't beaten the Angels since the dawn of time
- A-Rod's immortal-like production and clutchness
- Yankees were favorite entering series
- Yankees pitching: CC Sabathia, AJ Burnett, Andy Pettitte
- Yankees Big Bats: Derek Jeter, Robinson Cano, Mark Teixeira, Alex Rodriguez, Hideki Matsui
Not only is 2009 not that similar to 2004, but it's arguably the polar OPPOSITE of it. The Yankees aren't squandering away a swift 3-0 lead. The past 5 games have been back and forth, in terms of series record.
If this is considered to be a repeat of 2004, then I have to assume that anytime the Yankees lose a single game in the postseason, it's going to be linked to a Dave Roberts steal clip.
When the Angels lose tomorrow, I expect to read volumes of column inches asserting the blatant redux of the 1986 ALCS. Because, you know, they're practically one in the same. The Angels lost that one. They're going to lose this one. And apparently, that's about all the matching elements you need these days, to substantiate a cross-season comparison.
Next thing you know, they're gonna start telling me Papelbon and Mo are identical closers! Oh, wait...
Pay no attention to this 2004 drivel, Yankee fans. It's the hollow propaganda of haters everywhere.
And as George Bernard Shaw said, "Hatred is the coward's revenge for being intimidated."
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Thank God Someone Else On Here Has Some Common Sense
Screw 2004, it doesnt matter anymore. Even if the Yankees lose this series, it could never be anything like 2004. People really need to calm down.
by YankeesJets on Oct 23, 2009 2:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
CYC:
Has quieted the inner turmoil of my soul. I can’t help but feel confident. Watching the Yankees surge back from an 0-4 defict in the 7th was amazing. This team can do anything. Had it not been for some key hits on some good pitches from Hughes this series is over. Not only that, they are coming back to our house. I’d much rather take the series at home.
Still though, 2004 looms large and I know it creates a little doubt in everyone’s mind. I’m more concerned with CC not being able to pitch Game 1 of W.S. but I won’t worry about that until it’s necessary.
Go Yanks. Beat the stuffing out of them!
For the Love of the Game
by ForTheLove on Oct 23, 2009 2:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
this team is differnt is way better
GO YANKEES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 1 MORE WIN TIL WORLD SERIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Yes we lost and yes we are upset. But like all Champs we will bounce back."
Osi umenyiora
by donnybaseball23 on Oct 23, 2009 3:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Polar opposite?
Weak, overrated right handed pitching in 2004
Strong, dominant LH starting pitching in 2009.
Yup.
Joe Saunders is trying to save their season, Andy Pettite to prolong ours.
Anyone worried about this? Andy will do his thing.
Bats? I don’t want 9th inning heroics. I want 1st inning heroics. Score. 1st inning.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 23, 2009 3:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and that is why I’m staying away from the media. the comparisons are ridiculous and makes me want to slam a hammer into my head.
Thank God for making us Yankees.
by noonoo on Oct 23, 2009 3:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Weather
The weather looks like it is going to be ugly here tomorrow. Would a washout on Saturday affect the the pitching situation for either team?
by tide96 on Oct 23, 2009 3:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There's a lot of talk how ppd game could help Angels
so that Lackey could pitch a game 7*
*if necessary
by MidwayCityLivestock on Oct 23, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Breaking news!!
Angels sign Dave Roberts!! /sarcasm
CYC you have hit so many nails on the head. Right on the money as usual.
by NumberSeven on Oct 23, 2009 3:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree completely...
…but A-Rod was also tearing it up for the first 4 games in 2004.
by New York Sports Jerk on Oct 23, 2009 3:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
When The Yankees Announce Kevin Brown Is Starting Game 7
Then I Will Give Into All You Haters.
by YankeesJets on Oct 23, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what was your reaction to that?
when you heard Kevin Brown was starting Game 7? I knew then that the Yankees were going to need a 10 run outburst to win. Although, who else did they have? Vasquez? Yea, he did well (sarcasm). I thought then that the best chance we would have had to win was start Moose on short rest instead of Brown. I HATE Kevin Brown!
by nyyrocks29 on Oct 23, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They Wouldve Been Better To Have A Bomb Scare To Postpone The Game
That Wouldve Bought Some Time For Somebody Else To Start.
by YankeesJets on Oct 24, 2009 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you lol you hav just calmed me down….LET’S GO YANKEEEEEEEEES. I will be at the game cheering on our beloved BronxBombers from section 420 lol….the things we do for this team….hope to see something special…..
by Br0nxb0mber914 on Oct 23, 2009 4:19 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I'll be at the game too!
Not sure what section, I think in the left field bleachers though. I was at Game 2, so between 13 innings of cold/rain…and the predicted storm for tomorrow…I think the ALCS has effectively teed off on my health.
by CrazyYankeeChick on Oct 23, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This IS like 2004
I agree that the players aren’t the same. The teams are different. And the rivalry isn’t as intense. And the series hasn’t gone the exact same way. But the biggest part of both those series is the same. In that series, the Yankees had the series in their grasp, and the blew it. In this series, the Yankees have had 2 games in their grasp, and they blew both of those. If they blow the series, then, while everything else is different, the main point will be the same. We, and everyone else, will be saying “the New York Yankees choked”. And THAT is how this is similar to 2004.
However, I doubt they will blow it, because the teams are, like you said, constructed different. They’re home now. Pettitte’s pitching and then, if they need it, CC. The Angels don’t know how to win in the New Stadium. And this Yankees team is MUCH better than in 2004.
Does anyone think that I should buy tickets for Game 6 on Stubhub? I have tickets for Game 7 if there is one, but what about Game 6? It’s a big game, but it’s also a TON of money on Stuhub. I’m caught in between here. What do I do?
by nyyrocks29 on Oct 23, 2009 4:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A story like this is absurd
And not even worth getting into. If one team takes a 3-0 or 3-1 lead and then drops a game, that doesn’t mean that the team is about to lose the series.
Especially when one team has a few players remaining from team A and team B. Even more so because the odds are so stacked against that happening.
Now….if we were talking about the 2007 and 2008 Mets…..THEN you’d be onto something!!!! :-)
by Ragnar808 on Oct 23, 2009 4:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Listening To WFAN....
…. there are quite a few concerned…. wait, no, um… WORRIED! PANICKING!…. Yankee fans that they are going to lose this thing. It could happen, or it won’t happen. Up 3-2 against the Angels is no shame— the Angels play the Yankees well, usually.
If the Yankees lose Game 6, however….
by nettles9 on Oct 23, 2009 6:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank you, CYC!
For hitting the nail on the head here, and calming PA’s collective fears.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 23, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anybody who even thinks this is a reflection of 04'..
Gives up way to easily…have faith people…we have this
by NYYWinsRings26 on Oct 23, 2009 6:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
its not anything like 2004. all i have to say.
"I'm not superstitious, just a little stitious"- Michael Scott
by GTWYankee on Oct 23, 2009 6:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ahhh.... now you know how it felt
Look, I’m not trying to stir trouble as a Red Sox fan.
You guys were better this year and my team is justifiably playing golf.
But guess what?
How do you think it felt EVERY STINKING YEAR having clips of Bill Buckner, Bucky Dent and Babe Ruth shown over and over again?
Sox lose to the A’s in 1988 and 1990?
Better show the Bucky Dent clips
The Red Sox lose to the Indians in 1995 and 1998?
It MUST have been because of Bill Buckner!
Grady Little leaves in Pedro until his arm falls off?
It must have been because of BABE RUTH!
It stinks. It isn’t fair. And it is lazy from the media.
But I have a sneaking feeling a few people here chanted 19-18 over the years…
That being said, this Red Sox fan thinks the Yankees are indeed winning the pennant
by SullyBaseball on Oct 23, 2009 7:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ahhh..touche, sully. touche..
by CrazyYankeeChick on Oct 23, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty soon
Pretty soon you will hear the media say stuff like “Yankee fans LIKE post 2004 suffering” and “the Yankees would lose their identity if they won.”
Because I LOVVVVVED hearing that cr*p for all of those years as a Sox fan living in New York.
OF COURSE this has nothing to do with 2004!
But that is the price a team’s fan has to play whenever their club does a face plant.
For all of eternity whenever a team has a big lead in the standings, people will say “Well, don’t get too confident… remember the 2007 Mets?” The Mets could have a 30 game lead with 31 games to play the press will say “Is this 2007 all over again?”
But there is one thing we can agree on…
If you are a Yankee fan…
Or a Red Sox fan…
Or an Angels fan…
Or a Mets fan…
Or a Phillies fan…
Or a Twins fan…
Just drop to your knees and thank the big baseball player in the sky that you are not a CLEVELAND fan!!!!!!
Think about that! LeBron James has to answer questions about the Browns/Broncos losses in the 1980s!
Browns plays have to answer questions about Jordan’s shot over Craig Ehlo!
They show clips of Willie Mays catching the fly ball off of Vic Wertz, Jose Lima blowing the 1997 World Series and the Drive and the Fumble and that interception during AN NBA GAME!!!!!
Even in the movie Major League, the Indians only win the Division.
Winning the World Series was beyond the willing suspension of disbelief IN A MOVIE!
They had a voodoo left fielder… that was fine
But anything more than a Division Title… COME ON! We need some realism!
by SullyBaseball on Oct 23, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good post...
can’t run away from your ghosts….
Win…everything’s cured.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 24, 2009 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Melky has a bigger bat than Cano……….. i seen it
by Gangsta Yanksta on Oct 23, 2009 8:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Caple
is a pretty notorious Yankee hater. nothing new here.
by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Oct 23, 2009 9:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry if I
said anything about 04 but all we have on at work all day is ESPN on 4/6 TV s at Applebees so all I see/hear is about it and the Phillie fans I work with are quick to point it out to me after our last two losses. I just need to ignore all the stupid people. Let s go Yankees!!
by Danielle I on Oct 23, 2009 11:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Know what? We'll either win or lose.
If we lose with Andy and CC on the hill in games 6 and 7, respectively, playing at home, then we deserved to lose. If we split this 2-game homestand then we’re off to the World Series. Either way, tomorrow night (weather permitting) the homestand is on.
I’m actually thinking it’s to our advantage to play in bad weather… hopefully both a little wet AND fairly cold. I think the Yankees are more accustomed to that sort of game than the Angels are.
by pinstriper on Oct 24, 2009 2:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Steve Phillips was fired from the ESPN network after having an affair with a 22-year-old production assistant. To go along with the fact that the man is a total sleaze, and an insult to the male gender, his wife slapped him in September with divorce papers, after his mistress stalked his family, although for the noble purpose of telling them how much of a sleaze he is. Apparently, the soon to be ex-Mrs. Phillips listened, and now Steve Phillips is going to need a new job, and a personal loan for a divorce attorney, and probably somewhere to stay.
by SantinoM on Nov 2, 2009 4:02 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

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