Joe Girardi???
by nichoj19 on Oct 22, 2009 10:56 PM EDT
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Only Joe Girardi can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory!!!
How many games must this hump mismange before you people will realize how much he sucks as a manager...Bonzo the Chimp could manage this lineup better....Just wait...even if they go back to New York for the next two games...the possibility of CC having to pitch the seventh game and not being available to start the World Series is reason enough for them to get rid of Girardi. You people on this site have defended him many times, but let's be real...He has cost the Yankees many, many more games than he has made correct calls to win...
I hope they come back and win this one, and if they do, great! But that won't change what a hump Girardi is....
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AGAIN!!
You do one of these mid-game…
What happened last time you did it?
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 22, 2009 11:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And What Happened This Time???
This time they couldn’t overcome the hump that is Joe Girardi.
by nichoj19 on Oct 23, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
Why do you leave a guy who gave up 4 runs in the 1st inning in the game when you come back and have a two run lead? I mean come on we this is the postseason you don’t make these dumb mistakes now I mean you had all year to make dumb mistakes like that. Get you head out of your butt Joe!
by alireza317 on Oct 22, 2009 11:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You'd Think That Was Stupid
But bringing in Marte made that move look brilliant.
by NYYankeeDude on Oct 22, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree but...
if he would have but Joba in at the top of that inning then we would be getting ready for the Phillies tonight
by alireza317 on Oct 22, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
did you play through on MLB 09 to find that out?
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 22, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
4 runs in the first...
yet, excellent as soon as he recorded outs.
Blame the 20 minutes between innings if you want, the guy had 80 pitches going into the 7th. I leave my starter in.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 22, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, you and the idiot managing the Yankees
He sat for 20 minutes, 10 batters, 2 pitching changes.
They got him off the hook and there were 9 outs to the World Series. Mo is ready to get 4 or 5 of them.
AJ hadn’t thrown a pitch with the lead all night. Pat him on the back, say “thanks for keeping us in it” and get Hughes in there with nobody on base.
by New York Sports Jerk on Oct 22, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's just dumb.
AJ was on his game. He didn’t trot him out when he had 95 or 100 pitches…he had 80!!!
SINCE WHEN, do we want the starter out of the game with 80 PITCHES!! Who gives a rats as about 20 GOD DAMN minutes…
The way the bullpen has been pitching…IDIOT, I don’t want them out there at all.
MO for 9 outs…is all that would have worked.
Anyone who didn’t wan
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 23, 2009 7:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're looking at his 80 pitches...
…i’m looking at it from the perspective that after his first 12 pitches there was no more pressure on Burnett at all. When the game was competitive, he was awful. He settled down and got his way through six innings after digging a 4-run hole.
Once they got him off the hook, he should have been out of the game.
I’ll never believe it was the right decision to bring him back out for the 7th. I didn’t want him back out there once they took the lead, and it looks even worse since he lost his location (AGAIN) and let the first two runners on.
by New York Sports Jerk on Oct 23, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still dunno...the first batter got one...
maybe THAT is where he was shot….yet he had Aybar 0-2 and he didnt’ swing or fouled off strikes until the walk
There was no more pressure on Burnett….cuz he didn’t allow it.
He had the first runner on base in every single inning he pitched. He had pressure on himself, like AJ Burnett always does.
At the time, there really was no reason AJ was not going 8!! Innings. There was no more pressure than any other inning.
It was a typical AJ Burnett game basically.
But…sigh…Andy, Girardi…whoever, win game 6 dammit.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 23, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im with Bradshaw. Everyone else seems to be blaming the decision. AJ was solid up until that inning. Was it the wrong decision? Obviously it was. Would any other manager have put AJ back in that game? Hell yes. If it were CC, would you guys have wanted him on the bench in the same situation? Hell no, if he brought out Hughes or Joba and put CC on the bench everyone here would be fuming!
His pitch count was low, he had been cruising for innings, that was just a bad luck outing for Yankees fans. Hindsight it was a bad move, but I would have done it the same way.
by gimpsta7 on Oct 23, 2009 4:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Good and the Bad
Girardi made some bad moves, but leaving Burnett in wasn’t one of them. He was at 82 pitches and he’d been lights out after the 1st inning. Hughes and Joba have been atrocious in the playoffs, so trying to get an extra inning out of Burnett there to go straight to Mo in the 8th was not the wrong move.
That being said, bringing in Marte in a close game was insanity. Joe was lucky that didn’t blow up. The worst move of the night, however, one of the dumbest managerial moves I’ve ever seen, was pinch-running for A-Rod in the 9th. I mean we didn’t tie it so it never became an issue but can you imagine if it was the 11th inning, bases loaded, chance to win the game and up steps Jerry Hairston Jr. in the cleanup spot? This, much like the bullpen shenanigans of game 3, is classic overmanaging, and it’s sad because Girardi doesn’t manage this way in the reg. season. He needs someone to talk him off the ledge right now.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Oct 24, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagreed with sending AJ out for the 7th
but this blame Girardi bullshit after every single playoff loss is so tired and stupid.
AJ and the guys in the pen were put in very reasonable positions to succeed, and if they did Girardi looks like a genius. If they fuck up, Girardi doesn’t look like a genius. THEREFORE, what determines this is the PLAYERS.
Facial LaFleur, total facial.
by Lord Duggan on Oct 23, 2009 12:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Have To Disagree
Putting in Marte was a real bonehead move. He had better arms to use at that point.
He made some really bad stupid moronic decisions.
by NYYankeeDude on Oct 23, 2009 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marte got the only two hitters he faced out
without the ball leaving the infield.
I mean I was yelling at the TV when he did it, but as far as I’m concerned, that just goes to show that it’s really up to the players to decide which moves are good.
Bringing in Marte with 2 runners on and no one out seems like a bad move, but it worked out well because Marte performed.
Bringing in Hughes to get the last out of that inning and keep the lead seemed like a great move, but it didn’t work out well because Hughes couldn’t hit his spots.
How on earth is Girardi supposed to know who is going to be good and who is going to suck when he brings them in from the bullpen? All that a manager can reasonably do is play the percentages, and I think that Girardi does a reasonable job of doing that.
Facial LaFleur, total facial.
by Lord Duggan on Oct 23, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All the manager can do???
How about having a feel for the game? How about not standing there looking like a deer caught in the headlights? Or turning to your pitching coach with a confused look and asking where am I?? How about getting your head out of your A#$ and stop waiting for the BOOK to tell you what to do…Or, if your going to manage like it, at least put on the BOZO the CLOWN suit to complete the look.
by nichoj19 on Oct 23, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He should have a feel for which reliever
who are all inconsistent (except for Mo of course) is going to happen to be able to locate on any given day?
Maybe you would prefer Miss Cleo as your manager?
Facial LaFleur, total facial.
by Lord Duggan on Oct 23, 2009 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the other manager made the bigger mistake tonight!
if mike scioscia had left lackey in for the last out of that inning we most likely would not have gotten back in the game.
www.FIREDICKNOW.com
by BenAllen on Oct 23, 2009 12:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed this game may not have even been that close
if Lackey had been in to face Tex you have no idea what would have happened.
by Danielle I on Oct 23, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't really blame Girardi..
Aj was virtually cruising after the first inning with a workable pitch count. Any other manager would have left him in. Phil Hughes blew that game plain and simple. All he had to do was get that pitch up on Vlad and he most likely walks out the inning unharmed. Not only did he miss the spot, but he left it over the heart of the plate. He’s lucky vladdy didn’t smack one out of there. Then Joba came in and stunk it up. I dont know what to do with Joba anymore. Mo had to come in once again and save the inning. That once shutdown bullpen doesn’t look so lights out anymore. The only people I trust are Robertson and of course Mariano. But for what ever reason Girardi doesn’t like bringing the sure out kid in. (go figure)
by Jipeon on Oct 23, 2009 12:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps.
But AJ should have been pulled after the lead off hitter got on.
by Ooofa on Oct 23, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why didn't Girardi bring him in?
Because he was still thinking about what a cool ride MR. TOADS was at Disneyland. The stuffed Angels Ralley Monkey would have done a better job than Girardi.
by nichoj19 on Oct 23, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Girardi loss
This was Joes worst managed game of the playoffs. Stop defending the outright stupid decisions and lack of consistency Joe has in making key decisions. Bringing AJ back with the lead has no upside. AJ is always unpredictable and always wild. How can it be a good decision to bring him in after 20 minutes of sitting time and having a fully rested bullpen ready to go?Would it not build AJ’s confidence to have left the game ahead with 5 solid innings after the first inning nightmare? There was no reason to leave him in and watch him put the first two men on base..
Choosing Marte is nuts- Would any fan put any faith that this guy can get a key out? He has not done it all year when he wasnt hurt anyway…Bring Coke in if you want a chance.
Then the pitch calling by Posada was just outright idiotic. Hughes had NO fastball movement.They make Vlad look silly on an awesome curve. SO then you throw a fastball that is not moving to a FASTBALL HITTER? Jorges head is not in the game- use him as DH since Matsui cant seem to swing the bat.
We should have won this game and now we give hope to the Halos.It is very dangerous .
Girardi needs to be fired at year end . This team has talent and we are wasting too much of it. I am a lifetime Yankee fan and find it downright disgusting to watch the bonehead moves JOE G is making. It is not Joes management that led the yankees to 103 wu=ins but rather a very talented team winning despite the bad decisions.
by ghostwalker on Oct 23, 2009 1:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i dont know
considering where Burnett’s pitch count was at the time then there’s several managers that send him back out there. sure, i questioned some of Girardi’s moves this game but hindsight is 20/20 and wouldn’t be an issue had it worked out.
now when i saw Marte coming in my first reaction was “oh hell no”, because i would never put Marte in that situation. although Marte pitched pretty well, no ball left the infield and he got Abreu out. so he, atleast passably, did his job.
Hughes struggled with his control, his fastball wasn’t hitting it’s marks at all. although, i won’t completely blame Posada for the pitch selection because Hughes was shaking off signs, and may have well shaken off a curve. if Hughes didn’t want to throw the fastball when Posada called it he could’ve shaken that off as well.
i’m not going to be so quick to say “fire Girardi” either. sure, he’s made some questionable decisions and some decisions that were just downright stupid. i think we’ll all agree that Girardi needs to make some changes in how he manages the game, but the team did win 103 games and no team can do that all on their own with no help from the manager.
"When my time on Earth is gone, and my activities here are past, I want they bury me upside down so all my critics can kiss my a**"- Bob Knight
"All the arguing in the world can't change the decision of the umpire."- Lou Gehrig. Got that Aybar?
by JumpinJackFlash on Oct 23, 2009 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This game falls on Hughes.
Not Girardi, Not AJ. It falls on Hughes. Just like Joba blew it against the Indians in the DS a couple years ago. This one is on Hughes. He will take his lumps and hopefully it wont happen again.
My only problem with Girardi was I dont know why Hughes faced as many batters as he did, it should have been 2 batters, then Robertson should have come into that game. But this is all on Hughes.
by gimpsta7 on Oct 23, 2009 4:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
AJ coming back out is the right move.
plain and simple. Who the hell cares about sitting in the dugout for 20 minutes, that as with blaming Girardi again for the loss is just a dumb cop out.
If he pulled him, and the bullpen fails…LIKE THEY DID ANYWAY, what is it then? We all didn’t like pulling Andy early against the Twins, they came then we came back.
80 pitches, for my starter going into the 7th? HELLZ NO!, does he come out.
After he let the leadoff guy on? THat’s the only debate. Obviously in hindsight, take him out, I would have left him in there too.
He had 0-2 to Aybar. The guy didn’t swing, and as with any AB against AJ Burnett, he walked him cuz of it.
The blame for this one is on Phil Hughes.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 23, 2009 7:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Your hindsight in my foresight...
…you can claim it’s second-guessing, but you weren’t in my living room when that fool Girardi sent Burnett back out there.
by New York Sports Jerk on Oct 23, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and you weren't in mine...
where we would have KILLED Girardi for NOT sending Burnett back out there.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 23, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only one of us was right.
I still don’t know how you keep giving Girardi the benefit of the doubt. They are ahead 3-2 DESPITE him.
He lost Game 3 because he pulled a guy with two outs and nobody on. He sent Brett Gardner in an obvious pitchout count.
He lost last night because he didn’t quite while he was ahead with Burnett. Maybe I’m psychic, but I knew Burnett was going to flush that.
And pinch-running for A-Rod in the 9th is the worst thing I’ve ever seen in my life. An absolute travesty.
by New York Sports Jerk on Oct 23, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree on the A-Rod thing.
100%.
First thing I thought was this was a horrible move. A-Rod is not slow. He’s not Gardner obviously, but not slow.
And yea…of course only one of use was right…pretty much polar opposites on this one…..
I know it sounds like I’m giving him the benefit, but before he made the decision to keep AJ in, I thought that he had better keep him in cuz he’s rolling.
Yea, Game 3? Dumb. Not only Robertson should have stay…Andy probably should have stayed too (for the same reason AJ should have stayed.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 23, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm blaming Swisher on this one.
Had he gotten the bases loaded walk, we would have tied the game.
Though, if we were to lose in extra innings, I would blame Joe Giradi for taking out A-Rod for a pinch runner.
Yankees all day.
by Onishadow14 on Oct 23, 2009 7:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The wrong from Giradi was Phil Hughes and Joba, in this game 9 outs to get out, why in that situation no call Mo, the principal idea is win this game, no matter what, for the next, you have to made anithing to win, what the hell.
by eugesports on Oct 23, 2009 9:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Answer this then
Since your so anamite about the 80 pitch BS if its Gaudin or Joba in that spot are you gonna run them out there in that same situation?But wait,there starting pitchers to.And dont give me but it wasnt them,your arguing a situation so be prepared to argue it no matter who your starter is because know it or not that is what your saying.Guys got to argue with everybody,miserable.
by cashman bashman on Oct 23, 2009 10:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
uhh....
YEA!
Gaudin, Joba? 80 pitches? I’m thinking at least 8 and hand off to MO in the 9th.
Really cannot believe taking a pitcher out after 80 pitches is a good idea, especially after it failed doing it with Andy Pettite…..
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 23, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bottom Line
Joba and Hughes have been fucking up this whole post season. Girardi has no confidence in either one of them. That’s the biggest reason why he brought AJ in to start the 7th. I’d love to blame Girardi for this one but this great bullpen there supposed to have hasn’t been living up to the hype (except for Mo who’s been brilliant and possibly Robertson) right now I don’t trust Joba or Hughes to get anyone out.
by bronx joey on Oct 23, 2009 10:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Joba was doing great
until these past 3 games on the road. Maybe getting back under real fans in Yankee Stadium will help Joba out. He’s an emotional pitcher. He feeds off the energy in the crowd. I think he (and Hughes) will turn it around in Game 6 and 7 (if there is one).
by nyyrocks29 on Oct 24, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joe
Joe has made some bad decisions. If the Yankees lose to LA then he should be fired….quickly. He has made some idiot moves that cost the Yankees in games 3 and 5!
by Lewis S on Oct 24, 2009 2:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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