He Chose Poorly
| Chamberlain | 0.1 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 13.50 |
| Marte, D | 0.1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.00 |
| Coke | 0.1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.00 |
| Hughes, P | 1.2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0.00 |
| Rivera, Ma | 1.0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0.00 |
| Robertson, D | 0.2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.00 |
| Aceves, A (L, 0-1) | 0.0 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 13.50 |
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wow. i want a good explanation. wow.
"I'm not superstitious, just a little stitious"- Michael Scott
by GTWYankee on Oct 19, 2009 8:45 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
we are still up 2 to 1. I'm pretty sure aceves wont see too much more action
Me and Nick? Were tight.
We cannot be complacent. We could have won this game. We don't know if we'll win tomorrow.
You win when you can in the playoffs. Period. Joe blew any chance we had to win this one by overmanaging his relievers.
I want us to win,
just trying to be objective… I’d rather give us the best chance to win EVERY game, not fidget our way out of a game we could have won.
I thought he severely overmanaged that game.
Sit back and enjoy Joe. There is a skill to managing superstars and it doesn’t involve putting your fingerprints over every move.
www.fantasysensehockey.net
+1
When you have a pitcher that is dealing, and Robertson has been money in this series so far, leave things the fuck alone and stop trying to be so damn fine! Joe micro-managed his way to a loss tonight and if he doesn’t relax with that shit he might just cost us the series!
Overmanaged
Sure he did. But the Yanks should have won this game long before Girardi brought in Aceves. The manager can’t drive in runs.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 20, 2009 7:11 AM EDT up reply actions
WHY!?!?!
thats all i want to know.
"I'm not superstitious, just a little stitious"- Michael Scott
by GTWYankee on Oct 19, 2009 8:48 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
The pen
Ok, calm down everybody. Joe just overused the pen tonight. I hate to say it Micheal Kay (omg) has been saying it and BT. The way Joe used the pen may come back to bite him in the but and tonight it did.. But let us not get on the banwagon and fret. Did anybody see the angels faces when it was 4, 4. They looked defeated… Let’s kill the beast and end it back in NY. Period
by BrownHornet . on Oct 19, 2009 8:48 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Maaan
Are we really putting this on Girardi? Because I’m sick of seeing those guys like #1 always bitching.
It wasn’t a bad choice at all, we just caught a bad break. Halos caught the good break. It happens.
If its on TV it MUST be true!
Joe’s led us this far, you want to throw him under the bus go ahead, you’re still stupid looking while doing it.
he may have led us to win
but him managing the bullpen was ALWAYS awful.
we've had 2 extra inning games in this postseason ALREADY
what if we have more and lose due to shitty descisions like this same one?
Yankees all day.
espcially with arod and tex comin up...
we coulda won this one.
Actually
Our all-star lineup and pitching rotation and bullpen has led us this far. Joe cost us with his micromanaging this game. Not the end of the world but this had better be a one time mistake
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Oct 19, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
+ 1,000
people need to get off the ledge you can’t expect a sweep this is a very good team we are playing, a loss was bound to happen, we still have a 2-1 CC will be their momentum killer tomorrow. we have been spoiled so far with all the wins. let’s get em tomorrow. Let s go Yankees and CC.
Good thing EVERY analyst is NOT an idiot...
Oh wait…THEY ARE..
Good excuse…go with the analyst….
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 19, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
how in the world was that not a bad choice?
you take a righty out for another righty? uselss it was hughes or Mo there’s no reason why robertson should have been taken out. He has better numbers than Ace in the postseason and is a strike out pitcher…explain this
if he gives me a good explaination then i'll forgive him. ill still be pissed, but i'll forgive him
"I'm not superstitious, just a little stitious"- Michael Scott
by GTWYankee on Oct 19, 2009 8:49 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
+1
He obviously looked something up and then decided to go with Ace. What did he know that we didn’t that made him think Ace was the right choice? If it’s something reasonable, I’m not going to kill him.
Facial LaFleur, total facial.
i've been critical of his bullpen mgmt
and people keep telling me “relax, we’re winning! it’s working!”
he’s gotta chill with the hook
-3.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 19, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
What was wrong with Robertson?
Now granted, the Yankees left too many people on base and had some terrible at bats, but to put in Aceves after a shakey game 2 and after Robertson was LOCATING…that was a bad move from the beginning.
I blame this on Alfredo Aceves..
he threw the GOD DAMN pitch, not Girardi.
Aceves has been better than Robertson all year.
So what Houdini has been Houdini…he was bound to get locked in his damn straight jacket eventually…..
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
Look okay yes ace threw the pitch but Girardi put him there
the bases were empty, maybe if robertson had men on base it would make sense. But Robertson has a better ERA and k/9 this season then ace. Aceves blew it on saturday, Robertson has been magic this postseason. I don;t care how much you say it was ace’s fault and it is, he never should have been in to pitch that inning
You've got some twisted logic there.
Take out the hot pitcher because eventually he won’t be hot? That’s pretty much the opposite of what we ought to be doing.
How ‘bout stick with what’s working for as long as it continues to work??
+1
"I don't want one of those guys who'll drive in two but let in three every game." Casey Stengel
by tnredneckyankeesfan on Oct 19, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
+1.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 19, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Even if we win the World Series
I’ll still hate the way the bullpen is used. That ish won’t cover those kind of mistakes up for me. Not that he needs to please only me, but I’m just saying. DAMN!
This one is on Giradi!
1. Why he did not have the Do Not Steal sign up for Gardner with an 0-1 count. Even I could figure Soscia for a pitch out there. I won’t say Jorge would still homered cause the pitch selection woulda probably been different.
2. Why Ace when Robertson did not appear in any kind of trouble.
I’m not gonna be yelling Fire Girardi, and it’s only one game; but this game is definitely on Joe
"I don't want one of those guys who'll drive in two but let in three every game." Casey Stengel
by tnredneckyankeesfan on Oct 19, 2009 8:51 PM EDT reply actions
Fire Girardi
http://i33.tinypic.com/24cwtgl.jpg
by Static Shock 1987 on Oct 19, 2009 8:52 PM EDT reply actions
Me too
"I don't want one of those guys who'll drive in two but let in three every game." Casey Stengel
by tnredneckyankeesfan on Oct 19, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Would've felt the same way even
if the Yankees had managed to win.
by Scooby Snacks on Oct 19, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Torre won four rings
Doesn’t mean he knew anything about bullpen management.
Joe was asking for this game to happen.
Torre was too patient...
and Girardi is too damn trigger happy! Can I just get a happy medium already?!?!
Blaming the manager instead of the players and overreacting to every loss
makes me a saaaaad panda.

Facial LaFleur, total facial.
players get to decide when they come in now?
by PortlandYankee on Oct 19, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Aceves is incapable of not allowing a run
when he comes in against 2 righties with the bases empty and 2 outs?
Really? Joe put him in too tough a spot?
Facial LaFleur, total facial.
the loss was on aceves
check the box score.
but it was wrong of girardi to go through his whole bullpen in about 3 innings. that was his bad.
Why Use Aceves ..
what if this game goes a few more innings? Gaudin is a long man but when did he pitch last? Girardi says it was a better matchup? Compared to 1 for 2 against Robertson that is just stupid.
I know two things for certain...
1. Sometimes Girardi makes a good decision.
2. Sometimes Girardi makes a bad decision.
IMHO, the decision to bring in Aceves was a very bad one.
R.I.S.P.
The Yankees really need to get their bats going with people on base. I’ve been saying this since the ALDS. Eventually, you’re gonna have to get people in without the long ball. Twice after both Matsui and Posada got on base with no outs, did our 7,8, and 9 batters do squat! They are really killing the team, because it’s usually them who are up with men on base.
WTF? Girardi wants to loose?
The world knows that Pettite signals when he is through.. Then he crashes. He signaled tonight, Joe went out to the mound. I thought, “Joe finally understands!” Wrong. Homer. He’s done this for two years. As a former catcher,. he makes catcher decisions. He is supposed to make managerial decisions. How many more games is he gonna give away. Replacing Robertson is the last straw. He oughtta go now. He is not managerial material. And tonight he proved it . I’m calming down ok, BRownHornet – I’m turning off the TV. Will you explain Joe’s dumbass behavior to my grandkids?
keeping the Highlander spirit in NH,
Pen
Know I can’t explain it . Hopefully it will not happen again.. Look at it this way. It makes for more exciting baseball.
I do want to say this. I would have kept Hughes in there. The bigger picture is that I saw defeat in the eyes of the angels and we have just given them life support..
by BrownHornet . on Oct 19, 2009 9:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Tonights Loss Shows You Just How Good The Yankees Are
To Overcome The Genius Of Girardi’s Managing To Win 103 Games And Be Up 2-1 In The ALCS.
i mean, im not that angry at giradi, just confused
bottom line though is we need too get those runs when they are there.
"I'm not superstitious, just a little stitious"- Michael Scott
by GTWYankee on Oct 19, 2009 8:57 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
actually i am angry at giradi but more on the offence.
"I'm not superstitious, just a little stitious"- Michael Scott
by GTWYankee on Oct 19, 2009 8:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
it depends on the explanation for me
"I'm not superstitious, just a little stitious"- Michael Scott
by GTWYankee on Oct 19, 2009 8:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yea
i wanna hear what he says
if he says “it was a better matchup” i am gonna flip
you have got to be kidding me.
when’d he say that? i closed my screen rite when he hit that double.
3-0 is VERY different than 2-1, girardi…
Whacked
He said he thought the type of pitcher Aceves was, would be a better matchup… but (he really said this) Aceves didn’t throw the type of pitches he’d imagined he would.
I'd like to see the offense do better, but remember
they’re facing very good pitching… I think we forget that… and playoff games are typically lower-scoring affairs than the typical regular season game.
I’d like to see the Yankees click on all cylinders, but the bottom line in the postseason is pitching and defense… Angels gave us a couple games due to poor defense, and our manager quite possibly lost us this game because of poor management of our pitching.
guys gerardi does get some blame but we left alot of people on bases....
That’s what killed the twins…that’s what killed the angels last name…and that’s what killed us tonight….I don’t agree with the bullpen moves but that’s a problem that could have been avoided…..bottom of the order has to start producing….
Cc comes up next game…we shut em down…then a.j. put the fork in em at home…just hope cc pitches like 8 innings
by NYYWinsRings26 on Oct 19, 2009 8:58 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
You're right on the hitting...
and you’re right on the bullpen problem being one that could have been avoided… and that’s the whole point on that latter one: we COULD have avoided it and quite possibly could have won this game as a result.
Joe messed up, say what you want
Best thing about all of this is Swisher will sit tomorrow and Garnder will start. I know its hard putting Nicks hot hot bat on the bench.
Molina Is Giving Us More With The Bat Than Swisher
I thought he had a good eye, but he is swinging at everything now.
Rather have gardner than melky who swings at every pitch in the dirt
At least swisher can get a walk now and then
MO!
I thought we had this one. I mean after what Mo did getting us to the top of the inning. I thought we were destined. But Girardi put in Aceves, and I went crazy! Robertson had 2 outs! I could see if it was Rivera he was bringing in but it wasn’t. Dammit, this shit hurts!
nobody is saying what they want..were stating what we see
And when u live that many men on….in a close game at a good teams park at home….what happens?….ask the twins and the angels what happened in ny?….
You can’t leave runners on…and gerardi can’t run thru guys like H2O…
by NYYWinsRings26 on Oct 19, 2009 9:05 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
tomorrow can’t come any faster for me. i need to get this awful taste out of my mouth
Thank God for making us Yankees.
I think we made a roster error in dropping Hinske
because when we pinch run Brett Gardner, we have no power threat on the bench anymore.
Especially if we pinch run for Matsui, ARod immediately loses all lineup protection. Today they walked him with the bases empty because no one is afraid to pitch to jerry hariston jr.
Facial LaFleur, total facial.
And I Thought I Was Mad With The Jets Losing Yesterday...
With a 3-0 lead I thought it was in the bag, until Joe told Pettitte to “take a dive” by serving it up to Vlad. Move over Pete Rose, we might have someone else betting on the game.
What hurts the most is that Tex an A-rod were coming to bat
I’ve taken it easy on Girardi this year, but I hate when he pulls a guy who’s cruising in the middle of the inning. This one hurts. Mo did his best to keep them in the game and the screw up like this!
"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"
Mo did a heck of a job...
I guess, the only good thing we can take out of this is that C.C.‘s pitching tomorrow, and I’m looking for the Yankees to be a bit angry.
Everybody keeps blaming Girardi
and I agree with that. Aceves had no business in that game at that point. Robertson should have been in. I’m tired of Girardi wasting his entire bullpen all the time. It was the 11th inning, and ALREADY, Chad Gaudin was the last man there. In the 11th! Girardi goes through these pitchers like a hot knife through butter. It’s worked so far, but I still haven’t agreed with it. Didn’t work tonight. There is no day off, CC is pitching on short rest, and every pitcher in that bullpen except Gaudin was used. That is not good.
However, the bullpen mistakes of Girardi was not the reason the Yankees lost this game. The reason the Yanks lost this game was early. Cano. Up with 1st and 2nd and nobody out TWICE in this game, and can’t do anything. Swisher, up with 1st and 3rd and one out TWICE in this game, and can’t get the run in either time. Melky, 0-5, and left a ton of guys on base. The Yankees did not get a hit with runner in scoring position today, and when that happens, what do you expect? The four solo shots kept them in it, but they could never get the big hit to put it away, and thats why they lost.
+infinity
their ineptitude to hit with men on is beyond frustrating. if they could just gotten one, ONE, hit when matsui was on 3rd we wouldn’t be pulling our hair out.
they better figure this out and figure it out QUICK
Thank God for making us Yankees.
CC tmw...
can’t pull my hair out anymore tonight… I’m done.
Let’s turn the page folks… GO YANKS— here’s to 3-1 !!
Jscape2000
Love the vid. I use that line all the time as people (myself included) often choose poorly.
As for the game, to quote Mariano Duncan, “We play tomorrow, we win tomorrow, das it!”
I’ve been misquoting for years, apparently. I’ve always said, “[I, he, she, you] chose unwisely.”
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
the bottom line
is that what Girardi did wasn’t necessarily the wrong move, it just didn’t make any sense.
if he would’ve stuck with D-Rob and lost, i could live with that. but i can’t live with changing a righty for a righty with 2 outs and nobody on. there’s seemingly zero reason for it.
by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Oct 19, 2009 9:40 PM EDT reply actions
What an idiot. Why change the pitcher? Aceves has been throwing BP for them in the series. His inability to handle a staff bites him in the arse. Stay in the dugout and next time you feel the need to take a walk, go down into the clubhouse.
by Southern Yankee boy on Oct 19, 2009 9:42 PM EDT reply actions
The worse part is...
that girardi was basing his move upon match-ups and stats….some times you just gotta let ur pitchers pitch. Which what Robertson was doing.
We need a statement game tomorrow!
We need to score more than 4 runs. We need contribution from everyone “top to bottom” and we need it 9 innings.The last thing we need is to have the angels thinking they have momentum.
When he
made the move the first thing I thought was that because Kendrick is a very good fastball hitter he felt that a Fastball pitcher like Robertson might be more apt to give up a home run. Aceves is a little more polished as far as pitch arsenal. There’s no doubt there was some logic behind the move. What may have also hurt us was the 2nd and 4th innings, when we had runners on first and third and one out and did not get even a sac fly, or even better a hit. So we’d have been ahead 4 or 5 to nothing going into the fifth. But then again they wasted 2 and 3rd and no outs in the 10th so that kinda evens it out. And also Abreu’s baserunning blunder. Considering how close we were to losing Game 2, and the fact that an error gave us the win, maybe we should not get too greedy. The series is where it should be all things considered. The relievers won’t be wiped out for today cause Girardi used them judiciously as far as pitch counts.




















