Joba or Gaudin (or CC again)?
If Joe Girardi plans on using his starters on normal rest in the ALCS, he'll need a fourth, because game four is only four days after game one. Should he start Sabathia on short rest, or go with another option and let CC go on normal rest in game five?
The 'other option' would be either Joba Chamberlain, Chad Gaudin or (just maybe) Alfredo Aceves. Joba has done well in the playoffs so far, but he hasn't thrown more than 17 pitches in a game since his last start on September 30th. On the other hand, Chad Gaudin hasn't thrown at all since October 3rd (and hasn't started since September 28th).
Perhaps the most sensible option is to 'play it by ear.' In other words, if Sabathia has a relatively easy game one and can be taken out before 100 pitches, Girardi may feel more comfortable starting him again on short rest. But if CC takes part in a tense pitcher's duel, where his pitch-count is high and every AB is stressful, Joe may go with Joba/Gaudin in game four. Then again, if the Yankees are losing 3-0 or 2-1 heading into the fourth game, Girardi may feel a need to use his ace no matter what the circumstances.
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Is this even a question?
Gaudin. Joba belongs in the bullpen. He’s such a different pitcher there, and such a huge weapon in that pen that they need to keep him there. Gaudin should start. With that deep bullpen, all he needs to do is give them 5 strong innings and he’s good. He’s earned it. He should start.
by nyyrocks29 on Oct 12, 2009 3:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is there any
reason that we really need 4 pitchers? I feel confident that with extra rest leading up to the series, we can count on CC for game 4. After all 3ER over 19 innings for starters… why add another variable?
by charlievona on Oct 12, 2009 3:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gaudin (5), Aceves (2), Joba or Phil (1), Mo (1). Done.
Gaudin (5), Aceves (2), Joba or Phil (1), Mo (1). Done.
by nastia on Oct 12, 2009 3:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gaudin as well
It’s ridiculous that we’re even still having this debate.
Gaudin and Joba are about equal as starters…Joba on his best day is much better than Gaudin…the problem is he’s so much less consistent that we might get 3 IP 7 R or 6 IP, 2 R. With Gaudin it’s mediocrity, but it’s consistent mediocrity. On average, you expect the same mediocre outcome (Gaudin has 3 QS since Aug 1, Joba 2, even if you extrapolate his 3 IP performance to 6 IP), but a bad day by Joba will completely take the team out of the game.
Gaudin and Joba are NOT equal as relievers. Joba has shown again this year that when you put him in the pen his velocity and focus increase. Gaudin would be just as mediocre in the pen as his is a starter.
The best solution is Gaudin for 3-5 IP, Ace for 2-3 IP, then Joba, Hughes, Mo. That’s the formula for success so far, as long as Girardi doesn’t yank Joba before we know if we’ll need Hughes or Mo in extra innings (which he’s been doing).
by PortlandYankee on Oct 12, 2009 3:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If CC went on short rest
would it mean that AJ and Andy would have to too?
by Rumplestiltskin02 on Oct 12, 2009 3:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no
because there is an off day after game 4
by justinxyankeesfan on Oct 12, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's a day off betwen games 4 and 5 and 5 and 6
so AJ and Andy would be on regular rest as would CC for a game 7. I think this means 3 starters.
by stusviews on Oct 12, 2009 3:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
CC on short rest game 4
Give him 80 pitches depending on how close the game is.
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Oct 12, 2009 4:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Like you said
if the Yankees are up in the ALCS by 3-0 or 2-1, then Gaudin is your guy.
In the event of a Yankee blowout in a game 1 and CC can be comfortably lifted after 6 IP’s and less than 90 pitches thrown, I wouldn’t hesitate to start him again for game 4. There are so many days off between his last start and this coming Friday that CC can deemed well rested for the ALCS.
by Scooby Snacks on Oct 12, 2009 4:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is this even a question?
CC on """short""" rest.
CC has 9 DAYS in between starts. Does anyone really feel he aint gonna have enough to go Friday then on Tuesday start again? I doubt that his Friday (is it really at 12PM?) is gonna be that strenuous that in 4 days he isn’t gonna have enough again.
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...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 12, 2009 4:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no
mlb hasn’t issued the official times yet
by justinxyankeesfan on Oct 12, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good.
cuz I almost called out of work for Friday if the game’s on at 12.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 12, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This just in....
Phils-Dodgers at 4;37pm on Friday, Yanks-Angels at 7:37pm
by JustinS1 on Oct 13, 2009 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hate to break it you all, but...
If the Yanks lead 3-0…Joba or Gaudin will start & Girardi will roll the dice in order to save CC for the next round.
He took out Andy after 80 pitches Sunday despite his performance because he was trying to get outs. He’ll approach it from a similar view if he has the chance, since you have to think CC could pitch 3 times in the World Series…potentially!
About Friday’s start times…there’s no way Fox is giving up primetime in TV’s biggest market.
It’s just a debate about whether to run TBS’s game in the afternoon (5pm EST) or will enough people watch it at 10pm EST if they move up the start of the Yanks game to 7pm.
TBS needs to satisfy the avocado people (they’re dumb, like I’m gonna run out & buy a bunch because I saw their ad on Sunday night) & other sponsors since the AL sweeps cost them big money cause they overcharged for horrid pre & post game coverage not to mention the ridiculously bad team of Carey & Darling!
Not much of an upgrade with Buck & idiot McCarver!
by JustinS1 on Oct 13, 2009 7:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For selfish reasons I want CC on regular rest. I have
tickets for game five in Anaheim and would like to see him clinch it.
by garp on Oct 12, 2009 5:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gaudin unless Game 4 is a must win
I vote for Gaudin. He’s looked alright in his last few starts. He seems to be good for 2 times through the order, the they lay off his slider and start to get to him. However, the Yanks are down 2-1 or 3-0 you have to go with CC.
by upstateNYYFan1984 on Oct 12, 2009 5:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I vote CC no matter what.
Call me crazy but I want CC out there no matter what the circumstances are.
It's days like these I thank the good lord for making me a Yankees fan
by TheMelkman on Oct 12, 2009 5:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's so weird to live in a world with a clutch A-ROD.
by Ooofa on Oct 12, 2009 5:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually, he's pretty much always been clutch in the regular season.
He’s just have a few bad playoff series in a row.
by Rumplestiltskin02 on Oct 12, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
welcome to being a fan of the NY Yankees...
circa 2004. A-Rod has always been clutch.
He just hasn’t shown up for the playoffs…like the rest of the lineup.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 12, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
its a nice world
Schumer said: "Now the Giants aren’t just New York’s team, they’re America’s team."
"You forget about it whether it was 15-2 or 3-2. It's still a loss. It doesn't matter what the score was if we win tomorrow."... Derek Jeter.
by donnybaseball23 on Oct 12, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It did'nt matter who pitched back in July 10-12 now did it?
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by 44FAN on Oct 12, 2009 6:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
depends on how the seris is going
if the yankees are up 3-0 or 2-1 then go with gaudin cause he is a good pitcher he can give us a good outing but if we are down we need to throw CC cause he has a higher chance of winning the gaudin.
GO YANKEES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by donnybaseball23 on Oct 12, 2009 7:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Short rest
I think the Yankees will definitely go with a 3-man rotation in the ALCS because the only start that would be on short rest is CC in game 4. AJ would pitch game 5 on full rest, Pettitte game 6 full rest and CC game 7 full rest. Couple that with the fact that C.C.‘s first start of the series will be on 8 days rest and it’s pretty much a no-brainer.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Oct 12, 2009 7:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I trust
CC on four days rest more than I trust a fully rested Gaudin. Even if CC only gets 80 pitches in game four (more likely they let him go a full start with no pitch limit), Gaudin is usually only good for 90 and 80 from CC is better that 90 from Gaudin.
by GMan83201 on Oct 12, 2009 8:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I Guess Some Of You Dont Remember 2004
CC has to start game four no matter what. If the Yanks are up three games to none, you go for the jugular, you dont say lets pitch Gaudin or Joba. As far as I’m concerned big game pitchers step up and pitch three games if needed in a 7 game series. Schilling would, Johnson would, and Beckett would. CC better.
by YankeesJets on Oct 13, 2009 3:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
True, but game 4 in '04 wasn't decided by the SP
by Peter Lacock on Oct 13, 2009 6:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, but...
If Moose had pitched game 4 (on full rest) he would have been available at least to pitch in relief in game 7, so maybe Torre brings him in instead of Javy Vazquez (the league leader in homers allowed with the bases loaded…ugh) before the game gets out of hand. I think if the opportunity is there to shorten the rotation there’s no reason not to take it.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Oct 13, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it's 3-0 or 0-3 I vote for
Chamberlain. He’s never started a playoff, the experience would be good for him. It might help in the 2010 playoffs. We all know the plan, he’s a SP going forward and this postseason might be the last time he ever, or for a very long time, pitches out of the bullpen. Otherwise, I vote for CC.
by Peter Lacock on Oct 13, 2009 6:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you know what...
that’s a great thought.
The fact that Jon Lester started a game 4 when the Pissants were up 3-0 and won the final game in that sweep really propelled his career.
That would be an excellent idea.
If all goes to play, the Yanks should have every hand on deck aside from Andy and AJ to help out Joba just in case he bombs.
Great Idea.
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 13, 2009 7:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice to see you say that. Great minds think alike!
You seem to keep an open mind. It’s doubtful though. It would be 3 weeks between starts and the not so open minded would scream bloody murder when they pull him after 30-40 pitches. If you’re up big you have to think about saving CC for game 5 and then he’d be ready for game 1 against the Philies.
by Peter Lacock on Oct 13, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
C.C. to pitch Game 4 on short rest? Not so fast.
From today’s N.Y. Times:
The Yankees will start C. C. Sabathia in Game 1, and with Joba Chamberlain entrenched in short relief, they could bring back Sabathia on short rest for Game 4. Because of scheduled days off between Games 4, 5 and 6, Sabathia could then pitch on regular rest in a potential Game 7.
But Sabathia lost both of his starts against the Angels this season, allowing 9 earned runs and 17 hits in 13 1/3 innings. He is 5-7 with a 4.72 earned run average in 14 career starts against the Angels…
Let’s see how well he does in Game 1 before calling this one. No need for Girardi to decide now.
by django48 on Oct 13, 2009 9:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ok but...
Since Chad Gaudin is 21-28 with a 4.72 ERA and a 1.54 WHIP in all his career starts against everyone I’ll take my chances with CC.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Oct 13, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares what he did in the regular season?
Also, both of those starts were pre-AS break. You know, the time when people were unjustly saying that CC was merely an above average pitcher vs. the ACE we all know he is now.
Id rather start CC on 3ish (more like 4 days….) rest, esepcially following a 9 day layoff, than rely on Gaudin. If anything, Gaudin out of the pen after 5 innings of CC, would be much better…tho put Aceves in there instead of Gaudin..
..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...
...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.
---Carl
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 13, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So then
you’re willing to say now that C.C. on 3 days rest is better than a rested Gaudin? Maybe, But since there’s no need to commit now one way or the other, why not wait and see how things develop? If C.C. is lights out on Friday – or even if he’s merely effective – then it becomes a no-brainer.
by django48 on Oct 13, 2009 2:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's gonna come down to clutch hitting
There is no reason that CC doesn’t start… go 4+ strong, Gaudin/Acecombine for 2-3, then Joba, Robertson, Hughes for 2-3, them the master.
Really … what a bullpen!
by NY on Oct 13, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what about a pitch by committee?
i know this is usually only used in the 7th game but is there any reason why girardi can’t, say… pitch gaudin for 3 innings, aceves for 3 innings, joba for 1, hughes for 1, and rivera for 1? or should anyone fail, just bring in coke or anyone else form our awesome bullpen?
just a thought
by march20 on Oct 14, 2009 2:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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