Nady or Swisher to be traded?
by Travis G on Jan 8, 2009 10:44 PM EST
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There have been recent talks with other teams, and one of the pair could be traded soon.
Between the two, I'd rather hold on to Swisher. Despite a lower batting average, he has a signicantly better on-base percentage, is younger, a switch-hitter, and plays 1b (unlike Nady).
UPDATE Jan. 9, 1:13 pm:
Brian Cashman has received more offers for Swisher, but is more amenable to trading Nady.
- The Red Sox signed John Smoltz and Rocco Baldelli. Along with Brad Penny, they're taking chances that they rebound from injuries and/or poor years.
(h/t to MLBTR)
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we need sheets because the red sox has a 6 man rotation.
by jv52yankees on Jan 9, 2009 1:01 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
yeah
i believe we have a potentially better top 4, but they now have better depth.
by Travis G on Jan 9, 2009 1:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't agree
I don’t think they do have “better” depth. Too many questions surrounding Smoltz, Penny and Schilling (is he even coming back?). I do think where pitching is concerned you can’t have enough depth, and I think we have it. We have a number of guys who can slide in and pick-off several starts. Sure Smoltz, Penny were bigtime winners in their day, but I really question how much and how effective they will be in a very tough AL East.
"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will
by Ronster22 on Jan 9, 2009 10:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
who cares?
you give them incentive laden contracts and if it dosent work out, oh well. Its a risk and reward situation. Its a risk boston (and us as well) can afford to take that could produce great results. If not, well they dont stick around, get sent down, get traded, and with incentive based contracts one does not take that much of a hit.
by ryanwk628 on Jan 9, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
right now
our 4 & 5 starters cant go more than ~140 ip, which is the biggest concern regarding depth. we’re going to need at least another starter (assuming 1-5 are 100% healthy), and that means one of Aceves, Kennedy or hopefully Pettitte or Sheets.
aside from that, Burnett is injury prone. Wang, Joba and Hughes are coming back from injuries.
if we had another 200 ip starter (e.g. Pettitte, Lowe), then i’d feel confident that we had enough depth. of course, ‘enough’ is relative.
by Travis G on Jan 9, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hughes said
he’s hoping to get 150-175 innings next year…
by daneptizl on Jan 10, 2009 12:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, it's not up to him
He pitched 99.2 innings between the majors, minors, and winter ball in 2008, so he will likely be capped around 130. We have to be especially cautious with him because of his recent injuries, so 130 would be the max. Joba pitched about 100 in the majors, so he may go up to 140. He was injured but not as severely or for as long, and he was healthy all of 2007, unlike Hughes.
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by SenorSwanky on Jan 10, 2009 4:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There's no way
Hughes doesn’t pitch more 130 innings… I understand the innings limit thing, but if he’s already reached 146 innings in a single year, he can conceivably go to 180, although 170 is probably more like it. I understand it’s not up to him, but I’m sure they’ve clued him in on how much he’d be able to pitch. The statement he made coincides with what his previous innings high was…
by daneptizl on Jan 11, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Possibly
But it’s been 2 years, his first pro year, since he pitched 146. In 2007, I believe he pitched 110.1. So 140, 150 max would be it, if I were the Yanks.
"If you lived in my grandfather's house...and you wanted to eat, you had to be a Yankees fan." --Joe Biden
by SenorSwanky on Jan 11, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They're not going to use a 6-man
What is your obsession with the number 6?
In all seriousness, John Smoltz will likely not return from shoulder surgery rehab until sometime in May, so they’ll probably begin the season with a Beckett-Lester-Matsuzaka-Wakefield-Penny rotation and then move the almost 43-year-old Wakefield to be the long man from the pen (where he has pitched often before). They do have more ML-ready guys on their 40-man than we do. If they replicate their 2008 success (not a guarantee, considering Buccholz didn’t replicate his 2007 in 2008), Michael Bowden and Justin Masterson (now set to be Papelbon’s setup man) are better now than are Hughes, Kennedy, et al. But that could easily change, and we could soon be talking about true Yankee depth. Hughes, Kennedy, Aceves, and Coke have sure shown they can pitch well in small doses. They just need to prove consistency.
"If you lived in my grandfather's house...and you wanted to eat, you had to be a Yankees fan." --Joe Biden
by SenorSwanky on Jan 9, 2009 2:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Aaron Harang for Nady (plus maybe a prospect)?
This is a deal I would pursue. Like the River Ave. Blues guys, I would prefer to keep the OF depth, at least for now, but if we could acquire a solid starter like Harang or a good utility middle infielder (we can’t go a full season with either or both Cody Ransom and/or Angel Berroa) in a deal for Swish or Nady (preferably keeping Swish because of his defensive versatility (1B, RF, LF, CF), OBP, and pop), I would look into it. I don’t think we should trade either, however, just for some prospects and just for the sake of getting rid of salary or roster spots. Do it only to fill a need.
"If you lived in my grandfather's house...and you wanted to eat, you had to be a Yankees fan." --Joe Biden
by SenorSwanky on Jan 9, 2009 2:31 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I would consider this ...
Harang has the makeup to be a bigtime winner. He’s a bit of an rare bird because he’s a big strikeout guy with good/almost great control. He struggled with injuries last season, but doesn’t turn 31 until May. I too would prefer w we keep Nady over Swisher.
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by Ronster22 on Jan 9, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I said I'd prefer we keep Swisher over Nady
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by SenorSwanky on Jan 9, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Swisher
also has more money attached to him, which maybe harder to move. I would rather the Yanks hold on to him any way.
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by NumberSeven on Jan 9, 2009 9:44 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hello Bobby Abreu
We need an outfielder.
Questions are: Will Matsui be DH only, Damon in LF (can he play everyday), CF Melk, Gardner (do we have a major league caliber CF), RF Nady or Swisher (how will Swish do, are we sold on Nady).
I am happy with the outfield as is, but if a trade is made I can see Bobby Abreu returning. Our Yankees like to stick with what we know.
by Lyle40000 on Jan 9, 2009 11:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
WTF?
Why would we trade a corner OF only to sign another one? That makes absolutely no f***ing sense. The only reason to trade away our needed OF depth is to acquire another need (a solid #4 starter who can pitch 200+ innings of quality starts, a utility middle infielder with speed and strong defense, or a CF with a better bat than Melky and Gardner but just as good defense).
"If you lived in my grandfather's house...and you wanted to eat, you had to be a Yankees fan." --Joe Biden
by SenorSwanky on Jan 10, 2009 4:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
WTF Indeed
I agree if a trade is made they will trade for pitching, utility infielder, a jock strap or whatever (not another OF). If a trade is made I don’t see us having enough quality outfielders (as outlined in my post).
Nady is attractive to many teams because he is making 3.5 million. You really believe the Yankees would go with Swisher in RF, not chance. They could even make a move for Manny but what would the defensive alignment be? Manny in RF?
What makes sense would be to bring back a proven guy in the Bronx – Abreu for RF. He hasn’t drawn much interest may not be that expensive in MLB prices.
The best part of your response to my post is that you answered your own question
"Why would we trade a corner a corner OF to sign another one". "The only reason to trade away our needed OF depth is to acquire another need (a solid #4 starter who can pitch 200+ innings of quality starts …" No kidding we make the trade then we sign another OF.
by Lyle40000 on Jan 10, 2009 8:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Swisher
will most definitely be the rightfielder. Sees alot of pitches, hits for power, draws alot of walks and will play 10x better defense than abreu. He doesnt hit for a high average but draws a ridiculous amout of walks and will wear a pitcher down.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Jan 10, 2009 8:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Abreu
Swisher has a career OBP of .354 (.244 Carrer BA) Abreu has a .405 OBP (.300 carrer BA) -
Swisher will get playing time backing up LF, RF, CF, 1B, DH, PH.
Abreu is know for taking pitches. Abreu wears a pitcher down.
Swish hit .219 (.332 OBP) last year with 24 hr’s. Abreu .296 (.371 OBP) with 20 HR’s.
Swish is a risk, if we get another starter via trade we will probably get Abreu.
by Lyle40000 on Jan 10, 2009 9:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not a chance
Abreu is long gone. The Yanks were willing to let him walk because of his age and his unbelievably horrible defense.
He’s essentially a DH and they already have one in Matsui. He’s no longer a viable right fielder and Cashman has preached all winter that the team needs to get younger, more flexible, and better defensively.
Abreu doesn’t fit that criteria. He also traded for Nady (and Marte) with the idea that he’d take over right field duties this season after Abreu walked. They just didn’t expect to land Teixeira.
I’d keep both Nady and Swisher. Matsui has a lot of miles on those knees and Damon isn’t getting any younger. Extra days off for those guys sound like a pretty good idea and I wouldn’t be surprised if Matsui had major issues again with his wheels.
You never know, but both Nady and Swisher could be starters at some point, so I don’t see any legitimate reason to move Nady – especially since they won’t get nearly as good of a return as they paid for him (and Marte) back in July.
Despite the trade rumors, I suspect Nady will stick around for awhile unless Cashman is offered a deal he can’t refuse.
Too much depth never hurt any ball club.
by anaconda on Jan 10, 2009 11:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Right
One thing the champion Yanks of the ‘90s had was a strong bench of role-players. That’s our one true weakness right now. We need to give Girardi the flexibility to play with the roster for certain situations (defensive replacements, PH, righties vs. lefties, etc.), though I hope he doesn’t play with it as much as he did at the beginning of last season when it was unnecessary (he should stick largely with the same starting lineup). So we need guys who can play multiple positions. Minus Nady, we have that in our OFers right now. Damon, Cabrera, Gardner, and Swisher can all play at least two OF positions. I’ve been harping on this a lot, but now we just need to sign or trade for a good utility middle infielder to go along with Ransom, who is best defensively at the corners and isn’t so hot in the middle, and Swisher, who can back up Tex at 1st if need be.
"If you lived in my grandfather's house...and you wanted to eat, you had to be a Yankees fan." --Joe Biden
by SenorSwanky on Jan 11, 2009 3:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There is a Chance
As I stated in my post above I am happy with the outfield. I was commenting on topic of the thread which is trading Nady or Swisher.
Based on your comments found in your post "Matsui a lot of mile on his knees" "Damon isn’t getting any younger" that you agree if Nady or Swish is traded we don’t have depth in the OF.
If there was a trade I can see Abreu returning.
I disagree Abreu is too old and is "unbelievably horrible in defense", he was let go because his performance did not warrant his $16M salary. It appears the remaining free agents will not be able to get huge deals, he could be picked up for cheap – to improve depth.
"Too much depth never hurt any ballclub".
by Lyle40000 on Jan 11, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Re:
Abreu was the second worst defender among the 63 qualified outfielders in the major leagues last season.
The stats illustrate that he was 25 runs worse than the average defender. That’s not just bad – that’s nightmarish. If he was a horse, he’d be shipped off to the glue factory.
Abreu is essentially a DH and they already have one in Matsui.
Secondly, why would they trade away Nady (a guy who is only going to make roughly $5M next season and a far better defender than Abreu) just to turn around and spend $10M on Abreu?
Part of the reason why they are open to moving Nady is to trim payroll. They aren’t spending more money on a another aging hitter that they don’t need.
by anaconda on Jan 11, 2009 6:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
RE Re
“Why would they trade away Nady (a guy who is only going to make roughly $5M next season and a far better defender than Abreu) just to turn around and spend $10M on Abreu”?
Because Nady could bring pitching, Andy P would be out of the picture, we then would spent the money earmarked for pitching on OF depth.
Again I am only commenting under the assumption of the thread that a trade will be made.
by Lyle40000 on Jan 11, 2009 6:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You still haven't answered the basic, common-sense question
Why would we trade a RF and then sign another RF to take his place?
"If you lived in my grandfather's house...and you wanted to eat, you had to be a Yankees fan." --Joe Biden
by SenorSwanky on Jan 14, 2009 11:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Classy
"If you lived in my grandfather's house...and you wanted to eat, you had to be a Yankees fan." --Joe Biden
by SenorSwanky on Jan 15, 2009 10:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Notice that there’s a gap of 11.3% between Swisher’s BA and OBP, versus 7.5% for Abreu. In other words, Swish draws more walks. In fact, Abreu drew nine fewer walks in 96 more plate appearances than Swisher in 2008. Swish walked .14 times per PA to Abreu’s .11. Now, yes, obviously Abreu’s combo of hits and walks is greater value, but his defense is less value. And Abreu only plays one position, poorly. Swish is good defensively at three, and somewhat adequate at a fourth (though he hates playing CF, and we’ll rarely, if ever, use him there).
"If you lived in my grandfather's house...and you wanted to eat, you had to be a Yankees fan." --Joe Biden
by SenorSwanky on Jan 11, 2009 2:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
.214
Go ahead and try to justify your own idiot comments. Abreu blows away Swish in OBP. I don’t know where you learned math but .405 is greater than .354
Swish hit .219 last year. I don’t care that he had .3 more walks. His carrer OBP .is 51 less. Of course, Swish wanted to walk more he was hitting below .220.
Let me guess Swish was unlucky last year.
by Lyle40000 on Jan 11, 2009 6:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually swisher had an EXTREMELY unlucky year.
He put up a career high 20.0% line drive rate yet had a career low .249 BABIP (batting average of balls in play). That means he was actually making very solid contact with the ball (line drives are the hardest type of hit to be converted into an out) yet they must have been hit directly at people. League average for babip is about .300 so add that .05% difference to hit batting average and hes hitting .264 with a .383 on base percentage. He would more than likely still be a whitesock if that happened. Cashman executed the ultimate buy low transaction, and now looks vindicated by the amount of interest in swisher leaguewide.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Jan 11, 2009 7:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't believe it
I find that to be some of the dumbest comments ever. You make your luck. Why would he hit .264 cause you said so. His career batting average is .244. To use your logic if he hit .264 wouldn’t he have had an EXTREMELY lucky year? He is not a whitesox because they couldn’t afford his production when compared to his salary. The Yankees can afford it.
“He would more than likely still be a whitesock if that happened”. Is it even necessary to make the proceeding comment – If he was hitting and producing of course he would be with the white sox!
As for the interest in Swish what are the other teams offering? Is there really offers?
by Lyle40000 on Jan 11, 2009 8:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
whoa
cool it with calling his comments ‘idiot’. we all have our own opinions.
by Travis G on Jan 12, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Got to Give Repsect to Get Respect
Just speaking his language
by Lyle40000 on Jan 12, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta Give Respect to Get Respect?
How is that my language? Look I’m sorry if you don’t understand how luck plays a part in the game of baseball. I’m also sorry you don’t seem to understand how the BABIP statistic works but thats no reason to act hostile on a message board tough guy. Luck happens in baseball every single game. A guy can absolutely crush a 2-0 fastball yet its a frozen rope 200 mph directly to the centerfielder. On the flip side a guy can take a hack at an 0-2 slider off the plate just barely make contact and leg out a single when it dies in the grass beween third and the pitchers mound. That’s luck dude, hate to break it to you. It just so happens Mr. Swisher had bad luck last year which led to a really crappy batting average.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Jan 13, 2009 9:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He called my comments "idiot"
But he’s generally a board jerk and know-nothing know-it-all, and he was jerky to you too.
"If you lived in my grandfather's house...and you wanted to eat, you had to be a Yankees fan." --Joe Biden
by SenorSwanky on Jan 14, 2009 11:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Got to Give Repsect to get Respect
A Board jerk blow hard board know it all is definitely fits you.
Take a look at your posts you wrote “That makes absolutely no f***ing sense.” – “When I said the only reason to make a trade is to acquire another need, that means, in plain English anyone understands except you..” –Foul language and insults – you got back what you dished out. If someone disagrees you go to insults.
So F**k Off
by Lyle40000 on Jan 14, 2009 7:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Go To Give Respect to get Respect
This was not directed at you CasonvaWang.
I don’t believe te cool email was directed at my email to you. If it was
I apologize for calling for comments the dumbest ever.
by Lyle40000 on Jan 14, 2009 7:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Luck
I still disagree with the luck theory – because wouldn’t the good and bad lucky balance out over the year – leaving the player where they deserve to be statistically.
Swish is a career .244 hitter, so how do you explain that – or are you okay with that BA.
by Lyle40000 on Jan 14, 2009 7:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're the idiot
You said Abreu draws more walks. In fact, he doesn’t. And that’s .03 (not 0.3) more walks per plate appearance, math genius. So if they each have 600 plate appearances in a season at the same BB/PA rate from 2008, Swisher will have 18 more walks that season.
"If you lived in my grandfather's house...and you wanted to eat, you had to be a Yankees fan." --Joe Biden
by SenorSwanky on Jan 14, 2009 11:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
please dont stoop to that level
your comment reads a lot better without the insults.
by Travis G on Jan 14, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Already at the level
If you want to put on a cape and stand for truth, liberty, and justice then do so. You need to read all the posts.
by Lyle40000 on Jan 14, 2009 7:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the first personal insult i saw
was yours, calling his comments ‘idiot’. you can have a civil debate without resorting to that.
i dont like what SS said to you either, but you did start it, meaning you were the aggressor.
if you feel you were attacked prior, please direct me to that comment.
by Travis G on Jan 14, 2009 11:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is that a picture of your IQ
I never said Abreu draws more walks I said he blows Swish away in OBP.
by Lyle40000 on Jan 14, 2009 7:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
When I said the only reason to make a trade is to acquire another need, that means, in plain English anyone understands except you, that the person we get in the trade fills that need, not that we make a trade so we can clear salary to afford a free agent who will replace a player we just traded away. So, in other words, we’d get a starter, CF, or utility infielder in the trade, not a bunch of prospects. We do not need to sign Abreu or Manny. If we’d wanted to keep Abreu, we would have offered him arbitration. But that would have cost us way too much in money and defense. The whole point of trading an outfielder is that we have a surplus of them (well, we could actually use the depth, but we are not lacking in corner OFs, so why would we trade one only to turn around and sign another?). You trade from strength or surplus to fill a need. For the Yankees, that means trading a corner OF and/or pitching prospects to fill one of the three needs I outlined. We absolutely should not make a trade unless we are acquiring one of those three needs. And if we do, we should then stand pat. There is no reason at all for the Yankees to sign any more OFs, now or after a trade. Period.
"If you lived in my grandfather's house...and you wanted to eat, you had to be a Yankees fan." --Joe Biden
by SenorSwanky on Jan 11, 2009 2:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Reading Comprehension
The only reason we would trade Nady or Swish is because they are the only expendable parts that can bring any value in return. Nobody wants Matsui or Damon (unless we pick up the salary). If we want to get pitching and we can’t buy it we have to trade for it. Nady at his salary is appealing to teams.
We don’t have enough OF depth to trade Nady or Swish, because Damon will miss time, Matsui will probably be injured, and do we know if we have Major League talent in CF.
If we get the pitching then we buy low on Abreu to fill OF depth. It would be a wash money wise. No Andy P ($10M), bring in Abreu ($10M). Nady traded, and an end of the rotation pitcher is acquired. Swish bench and back-up’s OF, 1B and can DH and PH.
This is how I see the moves, if a trade of an OF is made.
by Lyle40000 on Jan 11, 2009 8:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You are assuming a lot
What makes you think Nady would return a starter who can throw 200 IP? Teams aren’t exactly looking to rid themselves of durable pitchers.
The Yanks won’t get anywhere near the return on Nady that they paid for him back in July.
You can forget Abreu. There is zero chance he comes back under any circumstances. You can bet your arse on that.
by anaconda on Jan 11, 2009 8:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not my assumption
I am conversing based upon a trade being made as described in the tread. "Teams aren’t exactly looking to rid themselves of durable pitchers". Some teams may have a surplus of pitching and made need a corner OF. I can only see a trade going down for a decent starter.
"The Yanks won’t get anywhere near the return on Nady that they paid for him back in July". How do you know – it takes years to really determine who wins a trade.
"You can forget Abreu. There is zero chance he comes back under any circumstances. You can bet your arse on that". Again you don’t know that? Are you in the inner circle of the Yankees brass? There may be a limited chance but what I would bet my arse on – is that you have no contact/input with the Steinbrenner’s on any matters concerning the Yankees?
by Lyle40000 on Jan 11, 2009 8:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Re:
“The Yanks won’t get anywhere near the return on Nady that they paid for him back in July”. How do you know – it takes years to really determine who wins a trade.
How do I know that?
Because look at the market for corner outfielders right now. It sucks. Guys like Adam Dunn were drawing a lot of interest before the trade deadline when his cost was considerably higher and now he’s barely getting a whiff when it will only cost them money and no players in return.
The market has crashed for those guys.
You can forget Abreu. There is zero chance he comes back under any circumstances. You can bet your arse on that". Again you don’t know that? Are you in the inner circle of the Yankees brass?
Do you have to be in the Yanks inner circle to hear Cashman preach for the last six months about getting younger, more flexible, and better defensively? He’s talked about that during every interview – TV, radio, and print media.
His other moves have met that criteria – letting Abreu and Giambi walk and replacing them with Nady, Swisher, and signing Teixeira.
Re-signing Abreu does not fit that criteria and wouldn’t make any sense anyways because Nady is younger, cheaper, and can play defense.
Abreu is 36, one-dimensional, and would cost twice as much. It doesn’t make an ounce of sense to trade a guy like Nady so they could add Abreu. None at all.
It doesn’t take a genius to see what Cashman is doing here.
by anaconda on Jan 12, 2009 4:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Re Re
It usually takes time to determine Winners and Losers of trades. Dunn is too costly at this point where Nady is a cheaper option.
The funny thing about the Yankees is they have said they wanted t get younger more flexible, etc for years. Actually doesn’t every team say that – they are not going to say we want to get older, slower, and become unable to field?
Just keep in mind that the Steinbrenner’s own the Yankees, Cash reports to them.
Also, I am not advocating trading Nady to get Abreu – What I am saying if Nady is traded (that is the topic of this thread) then I can see Abreu returning.
by Lyle40000 on Jan 12, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm well aware of who owns the club
But Hal Steinbrenner is not like George. He lets his GM do his job. Hank has a really big mouth but doesn’t make the personnel decisions.
Also, Hal just signed Cashman to a three-year extension a few months back and he’s not likely to step on his toes already.
And the word on the street is that Hal has asked Cashman to trim the payroll a bit, which is the reason why we’re hearing about them trading Nady or Swisher.
So if that was the case, they aren’t going to spend another $10M on a DH. That wouldn’t make any damn sense.
by anaconda on Jan 12, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Here is a free tip for the workplace – You can’t step on the toes of a subordinate.
Cashman is expendable, if they don’t win he will be discarded regardless of the contract.
I think Hal is exactly like a young George – they just spent over $400M on three players.
"So if that was the case, they aren’t going to spend another $10M on a DH. That wouldn’t make any damn sense". I disagree that they want to trim payroll they need pitching. They had a $10M offer for Andy P. If trading Nady brings in Pitching, then you have $10M for the OF – Abreu is a Right Fielder – he is durable and is consistent.
by Lyle40000 on Jan 12, 2009 6:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Re;
Hal is nothing like George save for a few minor things:
A. Their last name
B. Their willingness to spend a lot of money to win
C. Their consistent references to “the fans” as the motivation to make moves
Conversely, Hal is nothing like George for these reasons:
A. He is a calm and quiet guy – not a fire and brimstone guy
B. He is not a headline hound who looks for ways to get his name or team on the NY back pages
C. He doesn’t treat his subordinates like garbage as his dad notoriously did for years
Do you think if Hal was anything like a young George that Cashman would have signed on for another three years?
Hell, effing no. He probably would have gone somewhere else where he didn’t have to deal with that nonsense everyday.
Also, a young George would have been a Manny guy this offseason like his son Hank. Hal and Cashman are Teixeira guys – great player on both sides of the ball with impeccable character.
But, hey, whatever dude. You believe what you want.
by anaconda on Jan 13, 2009 3:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
RE Re
A. He is a calm and quiet guy – not a fire and brimstone guy – Seems pretty outspoken to me. In one of your prior posts you stated "Hank has a really big mouth" So is he calm today and loud yesterday?
B. He is not a headline hound who looks for ways to get his name or team on the NY back pages- Hal doesn’t’ seem to mind throwing out headlines, Such as refusing to negotiate with A-Rod; calling Red Sox nation B.S. – entertaining but would fit qualify as a headline hound.
C. He doesn’t treat his subordinates like garbage as his dad notoriously did for years – George would react irrationally, and then regret it. Apparently, he was tough to work for but also could be great – George helped out plenty of former players, and had a big heart.
We will see with Hal, he seems to have some of the irrational traits.
Do you think if Hal was anything like a young George that Cashman would have signed on for another three years? Where is Cashman going to go – this is the primo job. If he can’t bring home a title since 2000 with the Yankees and the payroll how would he do in Washington, Marlins, etc – forgetaboutit.
As for Manny the Yankees considered it – we had a greater need at first – if Tex went elsewhere we would have Manny. Also, Manny is near the end of his carrer. I think George would have signed Tex also. Tex was the top offensive FA – you are trying to sell it as some sort of brilliant move by cashman – just about every team wanted him.
Hell, effing no. He probably would have gone somewhere else where he didn’t have to deal with that nonsense everyday.
Also, a young George would have been a Manny guy this offseason like his son Hank. Hal and Cashman are Teixeira guys – great player on both sides of the ball with impeccable character.
But, hey, whatever dude. You believe what you want.
by Lyle40000 on Jan 13, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You’re describing the wrong Steinbrenner.
Hal and Hank are two different people. Hal is the calm one and the guy who calls the shots. Hank is the big mouth who loves headlines and says stupid things regularly.
Hal is front and center at all the major press conferences (Sabathia/Burnett/Teixeira and the merger with Dallas Cowboys for food services) and major team events (Virginia Tech Charity Game, Opening Day 2008, All Star Game, and the final game at the Stadium).
Hank attended just a handful of games the entire season and didn’t attend any of the aforementioned events listed above.
Hank is the guy who bemoaned A-Rod publicly last year and did the same to Moose comparing him to Jaime Moyer. Hank is the one who ripped Red Sox Nation. Hank is the guy who publicly said he wanted Manny. Hank is the guy who publicly stated he wanted Johan Santana a year ago. Hank is the headline hound.
You’ve got the brothers mixed up. Hank is the blowhard. Hal is the calm and quiet one and the man in charge – not Hank.
by anaconda on Jan 14, 2009 5:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
HalHankGeorgeSteinbrenner
Excellent! I’ll combine the three
Yankees.com has a two co-chairmen.
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/team/front_office.jsp?c_id=nyy
by Lyle40000 on Jan 14, 2009 7:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously, you missed the big news on November 20th:
It’s official: George Steinbrenner hands Yankees over to son Hal
Hal Steinbrenner now holds the final say on financial matters for the team, according to someone with knowledge of the team’s hierarchy. He was chosen because he has always shown interest in the business side – he’s been a regular visitor to the Bronx over the last two years to handle the team’s finances – while his older brother, Hank, has preferred to stay out of the finances, the person said.
by anaconda on Jan 14, 2009 8:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What's so big about it
If George wants a player he’ll get him.
Hank is a owner and will continue to speak out.
It’s smart to have one “control person” for MLB to contact.
What will stop Hank from riding Cashman. It’s like good cop bad cop.
By the way I did see your intial post (which you have deleted), and I have been a Yankee Fan for a long time
To sum up:
George has re-built the Yankees into a billion industry – thank you George
Cashman is medicore.
I wouldn’t bet my arse on it but Hal is in charge
by Lyle40000 on Jan 14, 2009 9:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nailed it!
trade both of them for pitching and sign Manny.
by Travis G on Jan 11, 2009 12:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No
Besides the idiocy of signing Manny, how would we compete with what is rumored to be a 2- to 3-year deal from the Dodgers and a one-year deal with three option years from the Giants? And those offers, I’m sure, will be for at least $20 mil a year. So we’d add at least $8.7 mil to our payroll and lose OF depth (Manny isn’t much if any better than Abreu in RF, and our goal is to better our defense, not have a lineup of mashers, which we largely already have).
Also, is any team with a pitcher valuable to us going to want both Nady and Swisher and their salaries? The Giants may want both for their offense and Swish for his defense at 1st (their main need now), but who are the going to give up? Surely not Lincecum, Cain, or Sanchez (and I wouldn’t want Cain or Sanchez).
"If you lived in my grandfather's house...and you wanted to eat, you had to be a Yankees fan." --Joe Biden
by SenorSwanky on Jan 11, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you’re right. who would want a ‘lineup of mashers’? that surely is idiotic.
do i have to remind you exactly how great Manny is? or that Damon, Matsui and Nady are all FAs after 09?
by Travis G on Jan 12, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Who is your fifth dtarter right now?
Seriously asking, not meant as a joke. I don’t think its set in stone yet but do you guys have favorites to land the job?
by Brendan Scolari on Jan 10, 2009 12:52 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Joba is set in stone
We’re going to use him all season as our #5 to spread out his innings as much as possible. Hughes or Aceves or Kennedy or all three will make spot starts when we occasionally skip one of Joba’s turns through the rotation. At least, that’s Cash’s publicly announced plan as of now. Anything can change depending on if we sign or trade for another starter and what happens in spring training and during the season.
"If you lived in my grandfather's house...and you wanted to eat, you had to be a Yankees fan." --Joe Biden
by SenorSwanky on Jan 10, 2009 4:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
*starter, not dtarter
bad spelling…
by Brendan Scolari on Jan 10, 2009 12:53 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
As of now...
Damon – doesn’t have the everyday legs/arm to play CF
Matsui – coming off of surgery/health issue
Posada – coming off of surgery/health issue
Cano – looking for a bounce-back year
Nady – FA next year/projected not to be on next year’s team, good trade bait
OF – could carry all 4 players and platoon:
-Nady/Swisher starts against all lefties
-Damon starts against all righties
-Gardner starts CF against most righties
-Matsui starts at DH against righties, sits against most lefties, primary PH
Swisher or Nady? I would say Nady will be the odd man out.
by 225Fan on Jan 10, 2009 9:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
If I were Nady, I'd be pissed (if I got traded...again)
Padres
to
Mets
to
Pirates
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Yankees
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? …The demand for this guy is strange. He seems to be wanted to fill some void yet, not wanted enough to have around for the long haul. The guy’s numbers are improving, however, reaching 30 I don’t know how much “more” they’re going to improve. The guy seems like a solid everyday player, who fits in any locker room, causes no problems and keeps his mouth shut and plays the game like it should be played. Seems to me that this is the kind of guy that Ol G. Steinbrenner would really love to have on his team. Do teams who acquire him think he’s going to be a superstar?
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jan 13, 2009 12:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Im a sox fan...
and i would love to see nady go, he’s exactly the kind of player the yankees need, versatile, not necesarilly fast , but has good obp. can hit for power and i think might have a bit higher of a ceiling to reach, while i don’t see swisher getting much better and as each year goes on he’ll be less of an outfielder and more of a first baseman
by beantownboy171 on Jan 10, 2009 6:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
fyi
Nady has a poor OBP, especially for a corner OFer (.335).
by Travis G on Jan 11, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i guess
i just had to wrong vibe from nady, you guys all seem pretty confident in swisher over nady so i trust yah, i think nady won’t make a great 4th outfielder but you guys have a log jam right now, if i were you guys even though you wouldn’t get much in return i would try to get rid of damon and/or matsui, and i know damon had a good year last year but he is running out of time in the outfield and you guys need to get more athletic in the OF
by beantownboy171 on Jan 11, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Damon is actually
a really good fielding LF, and is still one of the best leadoff hitters in the game. Matsui is 34, coming off knee surgery and is owed 13 million thus making him near unmovable.. Nady is the only good trade candidate.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Jan 11, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
how much longer
does matsui’s contract go for
by beantownboy171 on Jan 11, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's in his walk year
"If you lived in my grandfather's house...and you wanted to eat, you had to be a Yankees fan." --Joe Biden
by SenorSwanky on Jan 11, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Swisher is 2 years younger
than nady and is alot more athletic. Swish can play CF in a pinch and Nady is about average defensively for a corner outfielder. Swisher had a monumentally unlucky year last year and still obp’d .332 while hitting 24 dingers. Nady had a career year and only beat that mark by .032 with a .354. obp and 25 HR. He was decidedly average in his short time with the Yanks and I think they’re looking to sell high on him. He only had a triple slash of .
268/.320 /.474 in his 59 games with the yanks compared to the scorching .330 .383 .535 he put up pre-trade with the pirates. The very fact that teams inquiring on the two have been more interested in Swisher should tell you who is the more valuable player.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Jan 10, 2009 7:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Nady to Nats for Harris, Rivera and prospect
I’ve been reading that the Nationals are interested in Nady and from looking at their roster, it seems like Willie Harris is a guy that the Yanks would covet seeing as he has the ability to play LF,CF,RF,2B,3B, SS, thus giving them incredible versatility. I don’t see Ransom and/or Berroa cutting it as utility guys and if Melky and Gardner struggle, Harris could provide quality as a stop gap option in CF. Saul Rivera would give the Yanks another quality arm in the bullpen and the inclusion of an above average prospect, on the part of the Nats, would make up for whatever discrepancy in talent there is in the swap.
by ewise24 on Jan 11, 2009 11:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Nady is a mediocre/average player coming off a career year. Swisher is a solid player coming off a bad, mostly unlucky year.
Abreu’s career stats are sort of irrelevant at this point, as he’s well past the point where he’s hitting .300/.400/.550. He’s still a solid player, just not the player he was 5 years ago. Swisher figures to be an average fielding RF, which would be a significant improvement and about a wash at the plate. Coupled with his age and reasonable contract, and the fact that we’re really selling low right now, there’s no sense in trading him.
by 3460kuri on Jan 12, 2009 10:31 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
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