Manny or another SP?

by jpoppejr on Jan 23, 2009 8:19 AM EST Comment 15 comments

Assuming that the Yankees are not done with FA, who would you rather see the Yankees get - Manny or another SP?

I like that idea of another SP because it increases the team's flexibility with Joba. However, having Manny in the lineup almost guarantees a playoff spot and it is hard to imagine not making the playoffs.

While I contend that the Yankees' payroll is not out of line when you consider the attendence and COLI (see previous post), can you imagine the outcry across baseball if the Yankees get Manny?

So, let's look at the two scenarios:

Get Manny - hurts defense; increases OF log jam; incredible jump in offense productivity; allows Yankees to move Damon, Nady, Swisher, Matsui for a back of rotation SP or decent RP.

Get Oliver Perez - quality #4 or #5; enables Joba to move to closer role when Mo retires or if Joba's body cannot handle being a SP; more patience with Hughes; more leverage when Wang is up for FA

I think I'm leaning towards a SP. What are your thoughts?

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How are we improving the rotation by adding Oliver Perez and moving Joba Chamberlain to the pen???

Perez is maddeningly inconsistent, putting up mediocre numbers in the non-DH league. Joba is a certifiable ace, albeit with an innings limit. Why on earth would you render Joba to the bullpen to pitch 70 innings in 2009 when he can pitch 150 innings if he stays in the rotation?

Joba Chamberlain is the best young pitcher this team has had since Ron Guidry. Why on earth would you waste a talent like that in the bullpen?

by 3460kuri on Jan 23, 2009 10:33 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Not sold yet...

I don’t think you can call Joba a “certifiable ace” just yet. Yes, he is dominate, but hasn’t proven he’s an “ace” just yet.

Why not run with Phil and Kennedy again? Granted it would be nice to get Andy as our 4 and use Phil as our 5.

Do we really need another over-priced hitter? If this line-up is not enough for making the playoffs, then they don’t deserve it.

by Yankees23 on Jan 23, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I’ll get manny as DH and trade matsui and nady for a solid 4th starter. I might add in a prospect if the pitcher is good enough. Who would bat 3rd 4th and 5th?

by jv52yankees on Jan 23, 2009 10:39 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

trading matsui

is not going to happen… too expensive, too broken down.

I would be shocked if trading Nady brought back ML ready pitching talent.

There will already be log jam at DH for the next few years, the yanks don’t need another one- especially at $25M per year.

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by NumberSeven on Jan 23, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

3,4,5

Manny, A-ROD, Tex. Gives them the best order they could have. Tex to protect A-Rod once he is on base, and Manny will get pitched too, or A-Rod will have a lot more 2-run HR

by gimpsta7 on Jan 23, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Re:

The Yanks had the most dangerous lineup in baseball for a number of years and didn’t win a damn thing once they got to October.

Does “Murderer’s Row plus Cano” ring a bell?

They need another starting pitcher and Pettitte is still the most likely option.

Pitching, pitching, and pitching.

by anaconda on Jan 23, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

true dat

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by NumberSeven on Jan 23, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

tough call

depends what you mean by ‘another SP’. Perez? no way. Pettitte or Sheets? maybe.

but overall i’d probably take Manny. he’s one of the top RH hitters of all time (better than Arod). those guys are super rare.

by Travis G on Jan 23, 2009 2:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Problem is...

Can we really afford manny ramirez? He’s deffinitely gonna be worth over 20 million per season and he’s asking for way to many years in his contract. I would definitely like to get someone like sheets, even tho i like Hughes’s potential. I think that kid could be a decent starter if given the chance, so i wouldnt mind staying the way we are right now.

by steelersfan86 on Jan 25, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes to Pettite or Sheets

Lets be serious the yankees can afford anyone they want. I would much rather have a starting pitcher in the form of Andy or Big Ben, and move Joba to the bullpen. I for one think we will get as many innings from Pettite or Sheets as Chamberlin. I see each one of those three spending time on the DL this year as starting pitchers. Therefore, having the ability to shorten games to 7 innings with Joba and Rivera in the 8th and 9th would be a great thing. We will also be able to get a better look at the younger guys while giving either of these older pitchers some rest.

by Go-Green on Jan 25, 2009 8:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Wang has had trouble

staying healthy too.
If we have a rotation of CC-Burnett-Sheets-Pettitte-Looper we could make Wang the 7th inning guy.

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by jscape2000 on Jan 26, 2009 6:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

wanger got hurt

running the bases last year- freak injury for pitcher… am i forgetting another lengthy DL stint…? I’m seriously asking..

i personally don’t like the idea of taking a guy out of the top of the rotation and making him a reliever. granted wang probably shifts to number three now- but i think he’s more valuable to the yanks in rotation. that goes for joba too..

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by NumberSeven on Jan 26, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I forgot the /sarcasm tags. My bad.
Wang had a torn labrum in the minors in 2001, and it flared up in July 2005 (his rookie year) and caused him to miss most of July and all of August.

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by jscape2000 on Jan 26, 2009 10:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

gotcha...

and gotcha.

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by NumberSeven on Jan 26, 2009 10:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Flexibility is key

Adding another starter provides a tremendous amount of flexibility for the Yankees. This may sound ridiculous but it could even create a kind-of 5 1/2 pitcher rotation. With the 5th and sometime 6th pitcher being a combination of Hughes, Kennedy, Joba, Aceves. Figure this combination gets 50 starts or 300 total innings. So the other 4 pitchers get the remaining 112 starts or 28 starts each. It keeps the staff relatively “fresh” for the playoffs.

Of course, with injuries the above is not an exact allocation, but figure the following innings and the Yankees should be fine:

CC – 200 innings
AJ – 175 innings
Wang – 175 innings
4th pitcher (Pettitte, Perez, Sheets) – 150 innings
5th and 6th – 300 innings
Total 1000 innings or 6.17 innings per start

Does this make sense? Does it impede the development of the young guys?

by jpoppejr on Jan 26, 2009 5:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs