Sign Derek Lowe
I think the best free agent option the Yankee have is Derek Lowe. Here are the reasons why we should sign him.......
1) He wouldn't be a huge commitment year wise. I understand the Yankee are trying to get a younger team, but a 3 yr deal to a 35 year old isn't too bad.
2) He is basically a younger Mike Mussina. They both had very simular stats this season. Around 150 ks, low walk total and a low WHIP. His ERA would probally be in the upper 3s. I would deffinitly take that as my 3rd or 4th starter. He has also shown good durability, and he will eat up some innings.
3) He can also handle the AL east rivalries and he can pitch in the playoffs.
4) If you are wondering why we would sign Derek instead if a C.C., A.J. or Sheets, that answer is very simple, They are too injury prone. C.C. has shown durability but with Milwalkee using him as they are, hes gonna have some arm problems. Also, Jon Garland isn't a bad option too.
5) A rotation of Wang, Chamberlain, Mussina, Lowe and any combination of Hughes,Aceaves,Kennedy,Rasner, or Andy in the fith spot, is a great staff to put out there.
Also a side note, a 2009 prediction. Robinson Cano will re-assert himself as a top teir second basemen. He will bat over .300 and hit around 20 homers.
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If they don't get CC
There’s really no point in signing anybody else.
Lowe will get 4 year, maybe 5 year offers. For the teams that lose out on CC, Burnett, and Sheets, he’ll be their target.
by 3460kuri on Sep 30, 2008 8:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oliver Perez is
a resonable second choice.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
by Cbeck3 on Sep 30, 2008 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The point ...
Isn’t to grade out mid-level, innings eaters of which Mr. Perez is one. We bank on signing CC or trading for someone like a Peavy, Haren, Webb, Lincecom
"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will
by Ronster22 on Oct 1, 2008 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need 2
a mid level innings eater shopuld be 1 of them
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
by Cbeck3 on Oct 1, 2008 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All the more reason ...
to sign Pavano. If he bombs, so what? Then we throw the kitchen sink at CC or trade for a frontline guy. I’m opposed to grabbing anyone with injury issues, though. I wouldn’t even sniff in the direction of Sheets, and would be leery of going after Burnett.
"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will
by Ronster22 on Oct 1, 2008 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's no point in getting midlevel pitchers
Yes, he posted very good numbers this year, in the weakest hitting division in baseball. In his last season in Boston, he had an ERA over 5. The Yankees have as good a chance to get good production from young pitchers as from older pitchers who are coming over from the National League.
Perez, should be VERY leery. He’s about as erratic as they come, and walks a ton of batters. In our patient division, that could be murder.
If you don’t get CC, or maybe AJ, then stay internal. Try to resign Pettitte and Mussina short term, be happy to have Wang back, move Joba into the rotation permanently, and hope that one of Hughes, Kennedy, Aceves, and Rasner can stick. Rasner was a lot better than his stats this year. He’s just not a stikeout pitcher, and thus has to rely a lot on our shoddy defense(which has to be improved).
Ultimately, I really hope the Yankees can land Sabathia. The idea of having a strong farm system is so that you can stay out of the mid market pitchers. Kyle Lohse just got a 4 year 40 million dollar extension without even glancing at the open market. It’s getting ridiculous for midmarket pitchers. That is a losing investment.
by rory_sayer on Sep 30, 2008 11:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There is a point signing midlevel pitchers
T he point is they are reliably better than lousy pitchers.
The lousy tag this year appied to
Hughes
Kennedy
Rasner
Ponson
Giese
Igawa
Pavano
While a couple of these guys we hope can get better the idea that they made half our starts last year is sickening. We NEED HELP. Not just a front tend guy, although we need that too. We need depth. Sign CC if you can, but sign a Lowe type too.
Frankly, you have to worry about whether Joba, IPK and Hughes have the ability to hold up to pitching in the bigs. They now all ahve a history of getting hurt. Joba hasn’t been hurt as much but a shoulder injury is more worrying to me than a hamstring and a rib. So, we need to start with depth. I don’t want people coming off the waiver wire flying into LGA and going straight to the new stadium for a start. I don’t want any news items about what number today’s starter has been assigned.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
by Cbeck3 on Oct 1, 2008 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Giese
was actually quite good this year.
by Travis G on Oct 1, 2008 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watch him
Don’t just read the small sample stats. He has very little going for him. He may be OK next year but probably will pitch like Igawa.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
by Cbeck3 on Oct 2, 2008 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i did watch him
and he pitched better than Ponson, Rasner, Hughes, IPK, Pavano and Igawa. i know he doesnt have great stuff, but he doesnt walk anyone, commands his pitches and knows what he’s doing. guys have gotten by with worse stuff than him.
by Travis G on Oct 2, 2008 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He pitched just a little
Three starts and 43 innings. Too small a sample to pay any attention to the stats. I maintain he’s in the class of the others.
We’ll have to wait and see.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
by Cbeck3 on Oct 3, 2008 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He probably
(although not definitely) can be a useful reliever. Maybe even the long guy, spot starter.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
by Cbeck3 on Oct 3, 2008 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny that you mention Pavano
As I recall, he was the last of our recent midlevel pitcher signings that went wrong. Your argument is ridiculous. Yes, we need help, but midlevel pitchers are best coming from your own system; and yes, the young guys flopped on us this year, but you have to switch to them at some point. Recent midlevel starters that have flopped in the AL East after pitching well in the NL are Carl Pavano, Jaret Wright, Matt Clement, and Wade Miller. You did catch that, right? One of the pitchers you named as not being acceptable was a FA signing that did well in the NL the year before. Similar situation with Igawa. He lead Japan in strike outs twice. Doesn’t mean he can pitch in the AL East.
Now, let’s get to Derek Lowe. He’s pitched very well for the last four years in Los Angeles, with an ERA each year under 4. Looks great. He’s only 35, and shouldn’t take a really long commitment like CC would, and probably not the kind of commitment that Burnett will require. However, he’s been pitching in the NL West. You know better. His two seasons in Boston, he was 30, and 31 years old. Right in the prime of his career, and he pitched full seasons with 33 starts each season. You want to know the real thing about it though? He had ERA’s of 4.47 and 5.42 respectively. His WHIP was 1.42 and 1.62. Again this was in the prime of his career, and he could no longer give you good production in the AL East. How do you really think he’s going to react to the AL East after spending four seasons in the weakest hitting division in baseball?
Now, let’s get to WHY we want to to improve our pitching. Obviously, we want to get back into the postseason, but more than that, back into the World Series, right? Our most obvious competition is the Red Sox, and the Rays. Let’s look at the rotations that we are looking at trying to compete with.
Beckett
Lester
Matsuzaka
Wakefield
Buchholz
Kazmir
Shields
Garza
Jackson
Price/Sonnanstine
Now, what you’re suggesting, is that Derek Lowe would be able to help us match up with these rotations going forward. We haven’t seen the best of most of these pitchers from the Rays, nor the best from a couple of the Red Sox pitchers, so we don’t need to just catch up to what the rotations are now, we need to try to move past them. To this end, we NEED the young guys to develop into studs at some point. Hughes still projects to be a front line type starter. He even added a cutter this summer that adds another look for him. Kennedy still has the potential to become a decent mid rotation starter, whether with us, or somebody else. We have young studs in the low minors such as Betances and Brackman who could be ready in a couple of years, as well as the inevitable surprise prospects who learn a new pitch, change their mechanics, or otherwise boost their status. The idea of developing a farm system is so that you can stay out of the overpriced midmarket FA’s. Your proposal to sign Sabathia and Lowe doesn’t even leave room for Pettitte and Mussina if they both want to come back, let alone Hughes, who needs to get into that rotation permanently at some point in the near future.
Say you do manage to sign Sabathia, he’s going to get at least a six, maybe seven year deal. So he’s locked in. Chamberlain should have five seasons after this under team control, and they’ve already decided that he’s in the rotation. Wang is under control for two more seasons, and there is no reason why they shouldn’t resign him given his youth, track record, and being a homegrown guy. That’s three guys that should be locked into the rotation for the next five seasons. If you sign Lowe, he’s going to get a deal around 4/60 because of his numbers over the last four seasons, and at least 3/45. So what you have is four guys locked in at four years in your rotation. Three of them should be pretty sure, as they will be plenty young. One guy who could be a problem. And then you would have the last spot for one of Hughes, Kennedy, Brackman, and Betances, as well as plenty of other prospects. Basically, you can reasonably expect that within a year or two of Lowe’s contract you can have at least equivalent production from two of their younger, and far cheaper pitchers.
stick to the plan. It will work.
by rory_sayer on Oct 4, 2008 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if we dont get CC
then we need to go after AJ Burnett and Derek Lowe.
by alireza317 on Oct 2, 2008 4:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Andy not coming back?
Hey I hear Andy Pettite may retire anyone hearing these same rumors?
by alireza317 on Oct 2, 2008 4:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Andy will come back if trhey want him
I hear Moose may retire. I’m taking the rumors with a grain of salt.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
by Cbeck3 on Oct 2, 2008 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moose and Andy will come back ...
if there’s enough zeroes in the check. Ultimately, it comes down to money. For Andy, sure it’s his family, it’s his church, it’s about wanting to spend more time home. But don’t think for a moment he’s not looking at the success Moose had last year and thinking, “What if …” He comes back, reinvents himself abit and goes out on top in new Yankee Stadium…
The question is, do the Yankees really want him. I think much depends on who they can or can’t sign in the next month or so.
As for Moose, I think the Yankees want him back—and they should. He was hands down their best pitcher. The question here is does Moose want to come back. I don’t think 300 wins is a big deal to him. I think he’s already a HofFamer making 300 moot. The question here is, does he want the cash?
"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will
by Ronster22 on Oct 3, 2008 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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