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Around SBN: Chan Sung Jung Wins Thriller Over Dustin Poirier

We've heard it before...

... but this is now the front runner for worst loss of the season (in terms of ugliness). Sir Sidney lasted just two, allowing seven runs while Roy Halladay was his normal self, shutting down the Yanks for six innings before Hideki squeaked one over the right-field wall for a three-run shot.

But on to important matters: have you ever heard Michael Kay say 'If diving got you there faster, Olympic sprinters would do it,' usually after Melky Cabrera slides into first? Actually Michael, that doesn't hold any water. Sprinters don't do it because they run on a hard rubber track, which ain't exactly as forgiving as dirt. Furthermore, I have never seen any evidence to support his hypothesis, and in fact, the only evidence I've seen is contrary. Tonight for instance, did anyone catch the 400 meter sprint? Americans swept the medals, but the story as pertaining to this point is that the eventual Bronze medalist dove at the finish line. David Neville was trailing just behind a Bahaman runner and dove a few meters from the finish line, catapulting him from fourth to third. He knew it would hurt but did it anyway. He had to be attended by several medics after finishing (but said it was worth it). The point I'm trying to make is that Michael Kay is wrong, and should drop his incessant harping on certain catch phrases that he crowbars into his announcing ('See ya!' anyone?) and that maybe diving does get you there faster.

 

- Prospects are suspects is a saying my father-in-law always uses (quoting Brian Cashman) when talking about the young players. He prefers proven vets to potential stars.

Anyway, Boston had its rookies being lauded practically as future Hall of Famers in their first year (Jacoby Ellsbury and Clay Buchholz). Now both are struggling mightily. Ellsbury is hitting .267/.330/.368 for an 81 OPS+. That's worse than Wilson Betemit. Buchholz has a 6.75 ERA and 1.76 WHIP, and after another horrible start, got demoted all the way to Double-A Portland.

I'm not going to say that they suck or anything because they don't. I just want to point out to my fellow Yankee fans that we're not the only team with struggling prospects. Patience is a virtue.

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Diving in Track = Different

As someone who runs track seriously and watches baseball like there’s no tomorrow I can tell you that diving is not beneficial in baseball. The reason Neville dived was because in Track there’s fully Full Automatic Timing. Which is a fancy way of saying the gun is hooked up to a computer which starts the time as soon as the gun goes off and takes pictures of you when you cross the finish line. In track, it’s the first part of your body to cross the finish line that counts (which is why Neville wasn’t sliding along the ground, he super-man-ed it across the finish line). In baseball obviously you have to touch the bag.
What I’m trying to say is, diving into first is stupid because it will slow you down, but in track while it’s also stupid, it can probably give you .001 off your time.

But I do agree Mike needs to be a bit more professional. We all love free, fun loving Mike, but he needs Sterling to keep him in check.

by cmart332 on Aug 22, 2008 10:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Diving to first only helps if...

there is an errant throw and a tag needs to be applied. Hustling out of the box right away is more important (just like shooting out of the blocks in running).

by ilBrutto on Aug 22, 2008 11:01 AM EDT reply actions  

a base is but inches off of the ground

How can you state that it is faster for a runner to dive to the ground than it is to sprint through the base? You don’t have to be a genius at either geometry or physics to figure out which way is faster? (I can’t believe I am defending Michael Kay’s honor….)

by JE on Aug 22, 2008 1:36 PM EDT reply actions  

'how can i state it'?

first off, i never stated it. i specifically wrote it maybe does help, backed up by having seen no real evidence that diving hurts, only that it might help (as the sprint showed). if you can find an example/article that shows otherwise, i would be interested. my main point was more that Kay’s metaphor is now evidently wrong.

by Travis G on Aug 22, 2008 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm no fan of Kay

But he just repeats the same metaphor about track stars because Billy Martin used to say that all the time.

Personally, I happen to agree with it. Sliding into 1B does slow base runners down and I think it’s one of the dumbest and most dangerous plays in baseball.

by anaconda on Aug 22, 2008 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Get some knowledge first, then post...

Someone else has already said this is not a valid analogy…And I agree…you do not know what you are talking about…Track is like football at the goal line…cross the plane and score, or if track, cross the imaginary plane and stop the clock. Baseball…touch the bag.
Try playing the game instead of the video version.

We did better 'cause we got better...Yogi

by mickey07 on Aug 22, 2008 10:19 PM EDT reply actions  

No need to insult anyone

Disagreeing is fine. Insulting others in this forum is not.

by anaconda on Aug 22, 2008 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

in fact

i’ve never loved any baseball video game. baseball just doesnt translate well.

like i’ve now said for the third time, i never stated diving gets you there any faster, only that it might. since you think you have the requisite knowledge, show me the proof that explicitly states diving is slower.

by Travis G on Aug 23, 2008 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

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