More thoughts about Pudge and playoffs
A few days after noting the struggles our pitching staff is having with Pudge behind the plate and expressing second thoughts about the trade, I'm thinking I may have misinterpreted it.
The obvious interpretation of trading for a rental on a guy like Pudge Rodriguez is that the Yankees are in "go for it" mode and wanted to upgrade the offense at the catcher position. That is what I initially thought.
But then Girardi sat Damon yesterday, and caught a lot of flak for it. A lot of people said he did this because he's stupid, but come on, he has an engineering degree from Northwestern and he's a former Manager of the Year. Say what you want about him, but he's not stupid.
Then it dawned on me: the Yankees aren't in "go for it" mode. They're not trying to make a playoff run, they're trying to keep their team fresh and healthy for 2009, so they're giving all their players a day off every now and then. I can't blame them for this: even if they somehow capture the wild card, there's no way in hell this team beats the Angels in a five-game series. I know it, we all know it, and the Yankees know it. Personally I'd rather see them miss the playoffs than another first-round humiliation.
With this revelation, my thoughts turned back to the Pudge trade. Trading for an old, declining catcher who's sure to walk at the end of the season sounds like the ultimate short-term move. But it was actually all about the long term. The trade had nothing to do with Pudge's bat — it was about protecting Jose Molina from overuse and injury. With Posada a big question mark, they know they're going to need Molina healthy next year. They gained a draft pick out of the deal as well — also a long-term boon.
With that in mind, I expect we'll see Joba back sometime in September to get his innings up closer to where they should be, but I would imagine they'd use him very conservatively. He probably doesn't go into the 7th in any start, no matter how well he's throwing.
All this is to say that I'm resigned to the Yankees missing the playoffs this year, and I think the medium- and long-term health of the franchise will benefit from the Yanks not making an all-out run down the stretch.
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i couldnt agree more, they arent making the playoffs with injuries and poor play like this. and with the red sox, rays, and even twins play well everyday it makes it almost impossible. they need a lot of revamping next year including dropping old players such as Abreu, Giambi, Pettitte, and maybe others.
by greekman14 on Aug 13, 2008 12:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I COULD'NT DISAGREE MORE!!!!
First of all having an engineering degree has nothing at all to do with baseball. So with your thinking I guess DR. James Andrews could coach a football team? Absurd.
Second of all, Staying with your line of thinking. Cashman must of went out and gotten Marte’ and Nady to protect Damon and Veras for next year. Right? Even more absurd. You think when the Yanks made these moves they were thinking about next year? Maybe you should familiarize yourself with Yankee tradition. They were absolutely moves to propel us into the post-season and everyone that knows anything thought they were fantastic moves and was ready to vote Cashman GM of the yera if they all worked out.
While it seems far fetched being that LA would have homefield. We absolutely could beat them in a five game series. I guess you didnt see the split we had with them in The Boogie Down. We could of easily had 3 out of 4 too because the 1-0 game could have easily gone in our favor. We also could have had 2 out of 3 in LA if Girardi had left Geis in and even if he didnt do that he could of at least not brought Edwar in the bottom of the 8th in a 3-3 game after getting shelled a week prior. Then the next day if Cano would have even made an attempt at the 10 hopper thru the infield that game still might be going. So we could beat them in a five game set.
The Yankees are not packing it in. While the playoffs dont look promising the yankees would never pack it in. What makes you so sure Pudge is walking at the end of the year. I dont think he is. We wont have Posada back til at least August of next year. By the way we did not trade for Pudge’s bat. A .280 bat is nothing to trade for. Ever hear of 14 gold gloves?
Oh and a comment for Greekman. Why would you drop Abreu at the end of the year? One of the best bats on our squad and a high on base percentage and one of the best eyes in baseball. WHY???
by krizzwhite on Aug 13, 2008 7:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, where to begin...
First of all having an engineering degree has nothing at all to do with baseball. So with your thinking I guess DR. James Andrews could coach a football team? Absurd.
Never said anything about coaching baseball, though I’ve been mostly happy with Girardi’s performance this year and expect he will improve with experience. All I said was the dude’s not stupid.
Second of all, Staying with your line of thinking. Cashman must of went out and gotten Marte’ and Nady to protect Damon and Veras for next year. Right? Even more absurd. You think when the Yanks made these moves they were thinking about next year? Maybe you should familiarize yourself with Yankee tradition. They were absolutely moves to propel us into the post-season and everyone that knows anything thought they were fantastic moves and was ready to vote Cashman GM of the yera if they all worked out.
It’s fairly clear to me that they’re going to let Abreu walk and Nady will be the full-time RF next year. It’s somewhat harder to explain the long-term value of trading for Marte, but I guess you don’t pass up the opportunity to pick up a good reliever when you get it. (Never mind that Marte’s been a total bust in pinstripes so far, but oh well…) I would also point out that the Nady-Marte trade took place when the Yankees were only a game or two out of the playoffs and not yet playing like the Bad News Bears for more than two solid weeks. So at the time, it was a move that could help both in the short run and in the long run. I agree that it was a great trade.
Precisely what Yankee tradition are you referring to? The one of trading away the farm for overpriced, over-the-hill veterans? Because that’s one tradition I’ve been very happy to see going the way of the dinosaur over the last couple of years.
While it seems far fetched being that LA would have homefield. We absolutely could beat them in a five game series. I guess you didnt see the split we had with them in The Boogie Down. We could of easily had 3 out of 4 too because the 1-0 game could have easily gone in our favor. We also could have had 2 out of 3 in LA if Girardi had left Geis in and even if he didnt do that he could of at least not brought Edwar in the bottom of the 8th in a 3-3 game after getting shelled a week prior. Then the next day if Cano would have even made an attempt at the 10 hopper thru the infield that game still might be going. So we could beat them in a five game set.
Woulda, shoulda, coulda. Guess what? These are exactly the sort of games that playoff-caliber teams, like the Yankees of old, find a way to win. We’ve been blowing winnable games all year. It’s why we’re in the predicament we’re in now.
The Yankees are not packing it in. While the playoffs dont look promising the yankees would never pack it in. What makes you so sure Pudge is walking at the end of the year. I dont think he is. We wont have Posada back til at least August of next year. By the way we did not trade for Pudge’s bat. A .280 bat is nothing to trade for. Ever hear of 14 gold gloves?
I never said the Yankees were packing it in. Not even the Mariners and the Nationals are doing that. What I said was that they are clearly prioritizing 2009 and beyond over 2008 at this point, and that I agree with that line of thinking.
Pudge is older than Posada. As a catcher, he’s an injury waiting to happen. He doesn’t make sense as part of the Yankees’ long-term plans. He may have won 14 Gold Gloves, but he’s not what he used to be defensively. Molina is probably the best defensive catcher in baseball right now, and undoubtedly better behind the plate for the Yankees than Pudge. Molina is also an automatic out, so yes, a .280 bat represents a significant offensive upgrade.
Also, where are you getting that Posada won’t be back until August? Everything I’ve read has him back at the beginning of next season. That said, I don’t think Posada is our long-term answer at C — I expect him to play a lot of 1B and DH in the remaining years of his contract — but neither is Pudge.
Oh and a comment for Greekman. Why would you drop Abreu at the end of the year? One of the best bats on our squad and a high on base percentage and one of the best eyes in baseball. WHY???
Because he’s old, regressing offensively, and abysmal defensively. Nady is a big upgrade at that position.
by DocBrown82 on Aug 13, 2008 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Woulda Coulda Shoulda?????
You said there is no way in hell The Yanks beat LA in a 5 game set. I was simply pointing out they are very capable of beating them in a first round series.
I must have misunderstood your point on Girardi. He is certainly not stupid and I was thrilled to see us hire him. I would be lying if I didnt say I wanted Donnie Baseball though. I think he is trying to play a little to much National league style. His line-ups ARE driving me nuts though.
The Yankee tradition I’m refering to is making great moves by the deadline to help us into the post season. As yourself, I too am glad to see they are not willing to trade the farm for high priced overpaid pussies i.e. Gary Sheffield.
Pudge is still very, very sound defensively. Still one of the very best in the game. I agree Molina is great and having Pudge takes a huge strain off of him and I would take a 65 year old Pudge over Moeller anyday of the week. I dont see how Posada will be ready for the beginning of the season when themedian time frame for healing and rehabbing from his injury is 1 year and thats extremely younger people. I would love to have Jorge back taht soon but I dont think its going to happen. Molina was hot with his bat at the beginning of the year he could get hot again. I dont think any of the three is a long term answer at catcher but we are not looking long term in that position right now.
I dont even want to get into this Abreu Nady thing. I like Nady. All I’m saying is if you have a chance to sign a player like Abreu for peanuts you do it. He is not going to get a huge contract anywhere simply because of age. Nady is in no way a huge upgrade over Abreu.
They have around the same batting average, the same slugging percentage and the same on base percentage. Also I dont know where you get Abreu is Abysmal in the field he’s still very sound almost no errors and still has a decent arm., Abreu Gives more RBIs and hits a year. Abreus HR production is down just a little and hes a little slower. So I dont know where you get Nadys a huge upgrade. Because hes a few years younger?.
by krizzwhite on Aug 14, 2008 5:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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