Thinking About the 2008 Edition of Derek Jeter
In a way, I'm loathe to distract attention from Joe Girardi's idiotic lineup construction.
But the scrubs in the lineup wouldn't be as conspicuous if certain crown jewels weren't vastly underperforming.
And Derek Jeter is one of those flawed gems.
Now, I've spent a lot of time driving and unpacking in the last week, which means I've had a lot of time for my crazy ideas to ferment.
Remember when we were all talking about Jeter's revamped offseason workout, and we were wondering whether that would turn him into the defensive linchpin we needed?
After dealing with nagging injuries last year, numerous insiders described Jeter's reporting shape this spring as trim and agile. Diet played a role -- in past seasons, Jeter said he tried to eat as much as possible in an attempt to gain weight and prepare him for the long regular season. The effort never worked especially well, so this offseason, Jeter decided to succumb to his metabolism and play the cards he has been dealt. Jeter and A-Rod discussed the changes over lunch -- likely a light one -- on Thursday. "I've done some different things this offseason to try to get better and try to improve," Jeter said. "That was basically the extent of the conversation. I did a lot of speed, agility and lateral movement -- a lot of explosive stuff to try and get quicker and move around a little better." Now, my personal observations (small sample size the defensive metrics suggest Jeter has been better this season. Jeter RZR* *RZR (revised zone rating) is a defensive metric where the field is divided into 22 strips, and each hit is divided among grounders, line drives and fly balls. Each fielder is responsible for different zones based on the type of hit. Shortstop: The shortstop is responsible for zones H through L. The right boundary of Zone M is second base, so the left boundary (about 8 feet from second) is where the shortstop's zone starts, and runs up to Zone G. Notice that Zone G is not in anyone's zone. It is 'the hole' on the left side and not an infielder's responsibility'. RZR has some flaws (I'd love a panel of observers rather than an individual rank each hit within the 3 types, so that a can of corn is ranked differently from a humpback liner; I'd also love to see the zones more finely defined so that fielder positioning becomes quantifiable). That said, it's among the better publicly available metrics. So defensively Jeter's new workout regiment has been a success. His first step is better than I can remember and he's still fielding everything hit to him cleanly (only 8 errors on the season). Derek's arm has raised my eyebrows a time or two, but it's still as strong as any other AL shortstop. But offensively Jeter's conditioning could be to blame for his sudden decline. The last five seasons DJ has averaged about .320/.390/.460, with his high in 2006 and his low in 2004. But 2008 is almost unavoidably a career worst for the Captain: .281/.343/.394. Could it be that Jeter's sudden power outage? His BABIP is a career low .315 (career .361) because his line drive rate has fallen to 16%. Those are rates I'll expect to rebound no matter what else happens. If Jeter's improved defense comes at the cost of his offense, is it worth it in the long haul? Given the choice between having Jeter as a league average shortstop or a strong hitting 1B or RF, which would you choose?
2007: .777
2008: .866
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I think
they will let Jeter’s body fall apart at SS before ever benching him or moving him to RF or 1B. That would be a sad day that I hope to never see. He has won the right to do whatever he wants on this team but he is a smart man who will know when its time to put in the glove, no matter what records he is chasing. He cares too much about his legacy and is almost certain to go out on top..
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Derek Jeter is far from leaving the shortstop position. He is still one of the best shortstops in the league, overall. This year his offense is not even close to his career numbers but, I think that the team’s success has large roll in that.
this is DJ's
worst full season in his career. but i do think he’ll bounce back next year.
the only hitter playing above his career norms is Damon. everyone else is at or below.
Maybe a bad year is just a bad year.
Do you think Arod could still play short, or would want to?
I definitely do not see Cano as expendable.
Jeter would be pretty average as a first baseman or outfielder, offensively, even if he could be better than adequate defensively. Putting Betemit at first cost us a game the other day.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
I don't think Cano is expendable
but I don’t think he’s untouchable by any means. Personally, I’ve always been one to be patient with Cano and never wanted to see the club move him.
But I realized something watching him play this season – the chances are good that he won’t ever reach his potential with the Yanks.
I’ve heard the “Well, he’s only 25 yrs old and is a future batting champion, gold glover and and blah, blah, blah” argument a thousand times but the guy lacks focus and drive to play everyday. He just does and even his most rabid supporters would acknowledge that.
I don’t think this tiger will ever change his stripes. He’s not a rookie anymore – this is his fourth season and his production has regressed since 2006. He’s not showing any signs of learning from his mistakes or improving his game.
I’d rather trade Cano for a young outfielder and replace him with a second baseman who plays hard everyday and is just a good fundamental ballplayer. I don’t think Cano will ever be that guy. It’s maddening to see someone with so much talent to come to the ballpark every day and dog it the way he does.
And for the record, it was Cano – not Betemit – who cost them the game the other day. Even the Angels saw it that way because they commented that there would have been words in the Angels clubhouse if one of their guys had shown such a lack of effort in a critical situation:
The Angels were surprised Cano didn’t dive to try to knock down the ball.“That’s their team, man,” Torii Hunter told the Los Angeles Times. “That’s their problem.
“I’m glad that’s not my team. If it was, we’d probably be arguing in (the clubhouse) now.”
ARod was supposed to be the best SS ever wasn't he?
He was pretty damn close in SEA, TEX, BOS before he went all noble and let Jetes keep his job. I like Jetes and all (he donates money to Phoenix House), but the dude was a dumbass for not moving over to allow ARod to play SS. Just consider how many more champs yall would have won in this century.
Yankees – 2000
Red Sox – 2004, 2007, 2008!
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
I see almost any player as expendable if...
The right deal comes along, say Cano and Hughes for a proven ace pitcher (Roy Halliday for example). They did trade Sorriano who would be categorized as equal to Cano in my opinion.
Jeter is down, but Cano is out ...
Jeter made a pehnomenal play last night in an otherwise flat Yankee performance. He isn’t having a great offensive year, and there could be a ton of reasons why. Perhaps an off-season workout that didn’t included chasing Maxim’s top 100 beauties of the world would be a good place to start?
Seriously though, I agree with the earlier post that Jeter isn’t going anywhere but short.
My biggest issue isn’t Jeter, but Cano. I’m quickly growing tired of his act—both at bat and in the field. Last night he didn’t bust it out of the box after a hit, and Michael Kay got all over his shit. And he should. I want to love this guy, but I can’t tolerate lazy play. I understand that he’s not going to hit .340 every year. I understand that he’s not going to make every play. But, everyone can hustle all the time.
I don’t see him giving it 100%. I saw it during the CA series. I saw it last night. If he’s gonna’ be the future, the face of the Yankees, then he needs to start doing things the Yankee way. Jeter and Girardi need to get in his grille and demand it.
"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will
AMEN Bro
The one thing I cannot forgive is lack of effort. Historically the one thing Yankee fans and players have never tolerated is any guy dogging it in the field or on the basepaths.
"I don't want one of those guys who'll drive in two but let in three every game." Casey Stengel
by tnredneckyankeesfan on Aug 13, 2008 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Jeter would be a better fit at 2nd
But that means that we’re going to be selling low on Cano. We’re also likely to do something similar on Hughes and/or Kennedy, as well as Cabrera. I think they need to make changes to boost their lineup and get younger, but that’s probably going to involve trading one or two of the guys mentioned above, after dreadful years for all of them.
by long time listener on Aug 12, 2008 1:29 PM EDT reply actions
Jeter is Hitting in the wrong spot in the order
Giraldi should flip-flop Damon & Jeter in the order. The #2 hitter should take pitches & work the count, something Damon does real well consistently. Jeter swings at too many first pitches. Damon also gets out of the box & down the line quicker & faster than Jeter & would hit into less DP’s, thus not killing so many rallies al the time.
why Giraldi does’nt try this is beyond me? Its better than sitting Damon & leading off with Christian.
by tools of ignorance on Aug 12, 2008 2:48 PM EDT reply actions
A great idea
I hadn’t really considered it, but I know that Jeter’s high DP count is as much a product of always having men on in from of him as it is his groundball tendencies and his declining foot speed.
Jeter’s days at the top of the lineup may be numbered either way.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
Jeet needs to suck it
up and drive on as our CF next year. We need a CF, he can’t field the SS position anymore, it seems obvious. And we can shop for a slick fielder to help our pitching staff.
Yount did it
So can Jeter. Besides Yount won an MVP at both SS and CF






































