A Modest Shortstop Comparison

by runbrettrun on Aug 10, 2008 4:18 PM EDT Comment 23 comments

The Angels have 2 guys sharing the SS job, Erick Aybar and Maicer Izturis. Combined, they make about $1.6 M this year. Our wonderful shortstop and capitan, a guy named Derek Somethingorother, makes about $20 M a year as we know. So, I thought it might be interesting to compare the stats:

Derek S - .285/.347/.400 7HR, 56RBI, 64R, 7SB, 442Ab

AngelsCombo - ..270/.322/..370, 6HR, 65RBI, 82R, 16Sb, 540 AB

All at about 1/20th of the price. Now that's value. But then again, this Derek fellow is very handsome, apparently, so I guess that makes up the $18.5 M difference.

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As an Angels fan

just visiting this site for the first time, I hve to say you are an idiot… fine we’ll give you aybar and izturis you gives jeter straight up. I have a lot of respect for the Yankees and all their championships, however the Steinbrenners are ruining this storied franchise. And we can all be in agreement that the Red Sox are all roided up right?
just tmy two cents

Relax... Everything is fine

by Sinatrasratpack on Aug 10, 2008 7:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

It may have been a joke, but still...

Who on the Sox are you saying is roidin’?

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 11, 2008 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Haha

I’d bet close to all of them. I’d love to get blood samples from Ortiz, Drew, Varitek, Youkillis, and Lowell.
Just because the Mitchell Report (a Boston boardmember) focused on NY doesn’t mean the problem is close to exposed. If there are fewer than 5 guys juicing in every clubhouse in baseball I’ll eat my hat.

There’s too much money on the line not to take steroids.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Aug 11, 2008 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

There's also too much money on the line TO take roids.

Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 12, 2008 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

How do you figure?

make $20,000 in AAA or $400,000 as a rookie in the bigs?
A little juice could be the difference between being a roleplayer or being a starter.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Aug 12, 2008 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The rookies may be, but the established vets (Ortiz, Drew, Varitek, Youkillis, and Lowell) already have plenty of money.

Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 12, 2008 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe

but at some point they didn’t have that money. And better performance brings lucrative sponsorships.

And if (like Giambi) they felt they needed steroids to continue to perform, I suspect they’d keep taking them. Giambi didn’t need to ever look at a needle again after signing his Yankee deal, but everything I’ve read suggests that he kept juicing until he got cancer. He could still be on the juice.

Money and glory make me suspect everyone.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Aug 12, 2008 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks for the ad hominem attack..

but I’d actually make that trade. Jeet’s obviously only gonna get worse, and I’ll take my chances with 2 guys that can field the position well, run, and handle the bat. Jeet’s best days are way, way behind him.

by runbrettrun on Aug 10, 2008 10:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

But like Jeter or not...

he’s going nowhere. He will retire and Yankee and go to the Hall of Fame a Yankee.

Nothing wrong with venting after a tough loss, but any “trade Jeter” talk is just silly because it’s never going to happen.

by anaconda on Aug 10, 2008 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

True, but

The ‘90s are over. The Yanks are paying now for what he did years ago. I’m willing to bet this is the start of a significant slide down for Jeet. Time will tell. But the fact that we’re we’re paying him $20M for this poor production, along with no range/no arm defense, really bugs me. Same holds true for A-Rod, too. Think he’s gonna be worth $32M next year? And the year after that? We should be building championship teams with our resources, not paying for the production of by-gone eras.

by runbrettrun on Aug 11, 2008 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

None of that matters, though

Jeter is the face of the franchise. It would be like the Orioles trading Cal Ripken back in the 90s when everyone knew he was clearly not the same player anymore.

It’s not an issue that the Yanks will ever consider so we’re wasting our energy by spending time on it.

They are going to have to revamp this team in other areas, especially the rotation.

by anaconda on Aug 11, 2008 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yah, but, it's an interesting comparison, I think

just because Jeet is Sainted in YankeeLand, and when you look what he actually does, it’s disappointing. I know they’ll never trade him, I just said I* would do the trade the other guy mentioned. But, we CAN think about moving him off SS since he can’t field the position anymore. He’d probably make a fine leftfielder.

by runbrettrun on Aug 11, 2008 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

4 Rings

Jeter has slowed, but age has a way of doing that to a body. You lose me in your sarcasm and hyperbole. Jeter’s best days aren’t “way, way behind him.” Yeah, he’s having a down year. Yeah, he’s 34. I don’t think there is a Yankee fan out there who is ready to right off Jeter just yet.

In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if he came back strong in 2009. My opinion is that Jeter’s falloff has less to do about age, and more to do with amphedymine free clubhouses.

"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will

by Ronster22 on Aug 11, 2008 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You think Jeter was juicing?

That’s a hell of an accusation to hurl at someone like Jeter. I hope I’m misunderstanding you.

by DocBrown82 on Aug 11, 2008 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

and Russ Wrightstone

was better than Babe Ruth one year. i guess they Yanks shoulda traded the bum.

by Travis G on Aug 11, 2008 12:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Hey, now. Wait just a minute

Russ had a quality season in ‘25. All the old-timers like to drone up his horrifying season in ‘28. I prefer to look at the positive.

"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will

by Ronster22 on Aug 11, 2008 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

In 1925

Ruth had an interesting season, actually. Due to off-season partying, he got an intestinal abscess which required surgery, and kept him out until June. Then in September manager Miller Huggins suspended him for the rest of the year and fined him $5,000 for insubordination.

Still, in 359 AB, Babe hit .290/25 HR/66 RBI/61 R. Not too shabby for a fat guy.

by runbrettrun on Aug 11, 2008 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Jeter is the Yankees

Ok. So why did the red socks not win a world series for 86 year? O yea. they sold there best player some guy named ruth. Look, did you ever see the orioles trade ripken? the pads trade Gwynn? The yanks trade munson? No. We would never let the man who is the entire franchise go. Jeter could make 35mm a year to hit 250 and he still should never leave. he is the captain. he is the yankees.

by Kevin4292 on Aug 11, 2008 1:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Seriously?

Are you all f’ing retarded? Jeter is one of the classiest people in sports and the ultimate team player. How many of these overpaid primadonna pussies care about anything but money anymore. AROD included. If any teamm had 22 Jeters they would win the whole thing every year. Not to mention jeters going to have 3300-3500 hits by time hes done. Oh hes on a down year only 160-180 hits this year what a loser. He deserves 30 mil a year just for heart alone. you people make me sick

by krizzwhite on Aug 13, 2008 9:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

If you think

Jeet cares about anything other than money, you’re not paying attention. He has a perfume on the market, for God’s sake. He’s no different than anyone else. BTW, winning = $$, both contractually and in endorsements. So wanting to win is actually the same as wanting more money, as far as MLB is concerned.

We all know how good Jeet’s BEEN. The post was about how good is he NOW, and is he worth $20M+ per year. Thanks for paying attention.

by runbrettrun on Aug 14, 2008 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs