Time for "wait 'til next year"?
I was going to wait until the off-season to write about this, but with the way the Yanks have been playing and with the recent talk of 2009, let's delve into it early. The following are only a small range of topics we could discuss, but I'm on vacation and in no mood to write a novel.
What to do about right-field?
Should the Yankees re-sign Bobby Abreu, or let him walk and make Xavier Nady the everyday right-fielder? That would make Damon the everyday left or center-fielder. And what about Manny? He's going to be a free agent, but is looking for a multi-year deal.
Watching Melky struggle mightily, center-field becomes a legitimate concern. Since April, Melky has hit .230/.278/.298. In fact, Melky is one of the worst outfielders in all of baseball this year. I'm beginning to think Brett Gardner is a better option. At least he walks and steals bases. He had five in 17 games while Melky has just nine in 114 games. What about Austin Jackson? As far as I'm concerned, he doesn't enter the equation for an everyday job until 2010. He's having a solid year in Trenton, but will probably stay there the rest of the year. He'll move to Scranton in 2009, but it would be nice to finally allow a top prospect time to adjust to Triple-A before throwing him into the fire (ahem, Hughes, Joba, Kennedy).
- Scenario 1: Do nothing
Let Abreu walk, make Nady the right-fielder, let Damon/Matsui man left-field, and Melky/Gardner remain in center. This probably gives us the best overall defense but sub par offense. Then we can hope that Ajax forces his way onto the big league club to provide better offense than Melky/Gardner.
- Scenario 2: Abreu
Re-sign Abreu (which would probably require at least a two-year deal). Leave him in right and Nady in left. Basically the same situation as this year, only everyone is another year older (and in the cases of Nady, Damon, Matsui and Abreu, a year farther from their prime).
- Scenario 3: Manny
Sign Manny Ramirez. I know about the problems but he's still a crusher. He's the second best hitting outfielder over the last 3 years (trailing just Matt Holliday), and the third best hitter over the last 10 years (behind some guys named Bonds and Pujols). The Stadium's spacious left-field wouldn't help his already poor defense. Let him take right which would hide his D. Nady and Damon have played center, so I'd feel comfortable enough with one of them. Nady/Damon in center, Damon/Matsui in left, Manny in right. This would provide the best offensive outfield. Manny would also DH on occasion, allowing Melky/Gardner to take over CF, pushing Nady and Damon to the corners. Rumor has it though that the Mets and Phils are interested in Manny, and more desperate, so they might be willing to go to three years.
The more I think about this option, the more I like it. It allows Ajax to take his time and pushes the anemic Melky to the 4th outfielder/late-inning defensive replacement/pinch runner spot. It also makes the probable losses of Damon and Matsui in 2010 far more palatable, at least in terms of offense, but it would make the lineup heavily right-handed (assuming we lose Abreu and Giambi).
- Scenario 4: Dunn
Let Abreu walk, sign Adam Dunn to play right-field. Dunn is a very good hitter, but not in the class of Manny. On the other hand, he's a slightly better defender and is going to be just 29 (Manny's turning 37). A lefty in the 3 or 5-hole would provide a nice 1-2 punch with Arod's right-handed bat. It also makes the loss of other lefties (Giambi, Abreu) easier.
It depends a lot on whether the Yankees (specifically Cash Money) think Abreu will continue declining and whether Nady will continue improving.
How Yu doing?
I've read (and seen) a lot about the newest Japanese phenom. There's a small chance he'll be posted (ala Ichiro, Igawa, Matsuzaka, etc.) in the coming off-season. Before I go into detail about him, let me say that I highly doubt he will actually get posted. He's the Michael Jordan of NPB (Nippon Professional Baseball), and Japan is struggling through a time when most of it's best players are leaving for (literally) greener pastures in MLB. I can't see them letting another superstar leave the country.
That said, he would be a great asset to the future of the Yankees. He's doing things at 21 that Dice-K hasn't ever done (like post an ERA under 2.00). His stuff (in the video) looks as good as Dice-K's and is just as much the star and innings-eater Dice-K was. He has improved by leaps and bounds since he joined the Fighters as a 19-year-old. The reason (I believe) he'll be better than Dice-K is his age - he turns 22 in a week, so if the Yanks acquire him, it'll be virtually the same as drafting a college pitcher. That allows far more time to develop him into a good long term pitcher, not just a 1-2 year wonder (like Nomo, Irabu, Ishii, Ohka, Dice-K). And for those wondering if Darvish pitches in the DH league (like Dice-K did), the answer is yes.
If he's treated as a college pitcher (e.g. start at Tampa, looking to promote quickly), it should ensure a much better long term pitcher than a guy who goes straight to MLB from NPB; so when Dice-K's deception isn't fooling hitters anymore (like Nomo), Darvish will succeed because he'll have a lot more than deception.
I've heard NPB is at a level between Triple-A and MLB (no wonder Igawa's good down in Scranton), so imagine having a pitcher in Triple-A putting up the numbers that Darvish is - we'd be (rightfully) ecstatic.
Then the question becomes: is it worth it to spend $100+ million on a AAAA pitcher, or about $5 million on a first round draftee? Both have about the same chance at long term success. Going by value, it makes almost no sense to splurge on the Japanese import - but we're the Yankees, what the hell; we've got a new stadium opening and a ton coming off the payroll.
Still, CC Sabathia should be the top off-season priority. A hard-throwing, big-bodied southpaw? We haven't had one of those since... (well, I was going to write Ron Guidry, but he doesn't exactly fit the 'big-bodied' part) never.
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I'm a Red Sox fan and I know that this has nothing to do with the above post, but...
I got banned from DRaysBay for trying to explain Pythagorean records and getting mad when they started attacking me for my choice of teams and me calling them bandwagoners (which they in turn called me). I am extending a rare olive branch to you Yankees fans who are getting almost as mad as I am about the Rays fans: Go mess with them on DRaysBay.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 10, 2008 11:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Um
Sorry that happened to you. But not every website is as welcoming to visitors as we are here. Come back and post anytime.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
by jscape2000 on Aug 11, 2008 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the acceptiveness. I also tried to point out to them that yall would only be 1.5 GB of them if they hadn't been so lucky, but they wouldn't listen.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 11, 2008 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will no longer comment on DRaysBay, but will still comment on Over the Monster and other blogs.
Is Wang supposed to come back by the end of the month?
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 11, 2008 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure
what he is talking about.. but you damn sure are not welcomed here.
by Soriano NY 12 on Aug 11, 2008 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, I will refrain from comments on this blog as well.
Although I am glad to see that you were at one point a fan of Soriano, which proves you have been a fan for quite some time.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 11, 2008 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hi
I’m one of the moderators. We might not have met.
We run an open forum here, so any fan of any team is welcome to come and post about Yankee-related topics, either in main threads or by creating “fanposts.” Idiots come along from time to time and vomit up some Yankees suck drivel, and I remove them. I admit taking a certain degree of pleasure in abusing my power.
But anyone who is capable of holding an intelligent and civil conversation is welcome here.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
by jscape2000 on Aug 11, 2008 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay. You are a much better admin than the guy below this comment. Hopefully you have thicker skin from years of experience.
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 12, 2008 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um, no.
You were banned for calling an admin (me) a moron after stating the projected BaseRuns record (to which I stated the Rays had been lucky) then signing up for two additional accounts. This after calling everyone on the site a bandwagoner within your first statement.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 11, 2008 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no to Abreu, no to Manny
Yes to Dunn. We need to get younger. An outfield of Dunn, Damon, Nady, with Melky or Gardner backing up, is our best option. I like Teixiera, too, but not for 10 years. I might balk at more than 6, but I don’t think the new Steins will.
by long time listener on Aug 10, 2008 11:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hello....
we have 44 games left. This wait ‘til next year stuff has to stop.
No offense to anyone on this site, but it seems like everyone has packed it in, and it’s getting boring.
I realize we just got swept by perhaps the best team in baseball right now, but this season isn’t over yet. Far from it.
Being a frequent visitor to this site, I find it disheartening to come here and keep reading this glass is half empty mentality.
by bronxbound on Aug 11, 2008 12:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I understand what you're saying
It’s not time for wait till next year yet, but it’s always fun to project.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
by jscape2000 on Aug 11, 2008 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was careful
to pose the title as a question, not a statement.
by Travis G on Aug 11, 2008 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dunn's life time average is less than he weighs...
Adam Dunn (done?) is plain awful…comon he strikes out almost 200 times a year and bats like .240. Just what the Yanks need, another bum.
Go out and get real players who move runners when in scoring position, ones who put winning ahead of everything, ones who have heart. AND ones who know what a sac fly is (unlike AROD and Giambi who aim for the big bomb, and usually leave ‘em hanging)
The future fielder for the Yanks should be Matt Holliday also… not Manny. NO one needs that head case (remember he used to complain about all the exposure he got in Boston…wait until he sees the exposure you get wearing the pinstripes.)
by ilBrutto on Aug 11, 2008 12:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ummm
Dunn isnt great, but I think as a gap-stop until Ajax is ready he is a good choice. I would absolutely love to have Matt Holliday on the team, but Cash isn’t going to give up the prospects he’d require. I agree with the “we’re the Yankees” thing on Yu. And god, if we got him AND CC. that’d be awesome. Another option: Ryan Dempster. Jason Michaels, Jason Werth and Rick Ankiel could be on the trade market. Casey Blake, Mark Kotsay, and Pat Burrell would be decent FA options. And I don’t really want to see Bobby go. He is like mr dependable. We could trade for dcuhscherer or erik bedard for the pitching thing. also, anyone else sick of Betemit?? I think loretta or grudzielanek would be a much better utility guy.
by Kevin4292 on Aug 11, 2008 1:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You never know,
There could be just a little more Yankee Stadium Magic left in it. I wouldn’t count the Yankees out of it just yet. If they are more than 5 games out when September starts then u can tell me they r done, but not yet.
Also i don’t want Dunn. He really is just another Bum whos gonna stirkeout 200 times a year and he doesn’t have much passion for the game. The prospects we get in return from letting Areu walk could be very valuable. I say put Nady out there.
"Hey Derek do you actually drive the Edge?","I don't drive that piece of crap!"
by Da Shiz on Aug 11, 2008 7:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thoughts ....
We were beset with injuries, but more importantly Brian Cashman has made two glaring errors in ech of the last two seasons that I believe killed us. In 2007, he banked on Pavano and Igawa, and got ZERO. In 2008, he banked on Hughes and IPK … ‘nuff said. Going forward into 2009, we need a track record of proven MLBsuccess from our pitchers, not question marks and “let’s hold our breath.”
That’s simply our most important need. As for the offense, I think I’d re-sign Abreu, but not for more than two years, and not for a boatload of cash. Minus a couple of swoons this season, he’s really been pretty clutch. He’s never hurt, and seems to relish playing in NY. Keep him.
Melky was a huge disappointment to me. I really think there are better options, and I’d think seriously about moving him for prospects. I’ve heard Ajax is a riser, but then given the past, I have to ask myself, “is he truly a riser, or just a product of Yankee hype?” His numbers look good, but I’m just sayin’.
I would cut loose Giambi, and go hard after Teixeira. I would also make a run at Rocco Baldelli. I know he’s had trouble staying healthy, but he’s still young, still has a world of ability, and he finds himself in a very crowded outfield situation in Tampa where I believe he will (if not already) the odd man out.
I absolutely love Xavier Nady, and would hand him leftfield. That would mean Damon would have to move around some—including DH where he seems to thrive. I love Matsui, but I’m thinking his creaky knees are chronic. Perhaps DH, and some spot starting?
Our starting pitching has been a big disappointment save for Mussina, Joba. Will Pettitte return? I suspect I will given the fact that he’s on the bubble regarding the Hall of Fame.
Given his outstanding Cy Young worthy season, I’d resign Mussina (one year with an option for a second). But regardless what Pettitte and Mussina do, I’d make a hard run at Sabathia. I’ve heard he loves playing for Milwaukee—even telling Prince Fielder that he’d love to finish his career there. But I’d back up the truck in going after him.
I’d also make strong move for Ben Sheets, Ryan Dempster and Jennings. Sheets would be my first pick, and I have to believe that the Brewers aren’t going to let Sheets and Sabathia go. A darkhorse for me would be A.J. Burnett.
Bottom line: I’d bolster the infield with Tex, centerfield with Ajax or Baldelli and roll out a starting staff of,
Sabathia (or Sheets), Wang, Joba, Mussina, Pettitte (if Pettitte and Moose stay). If not … Sabathia (or Sheets, Wang, Joba, Dempster, Burnett (or Jennings)
What about Hughes and IPK? Certainly they are on the radar, but they haven’t done anything, and as such can’t be counted on in 2009.
"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will
by Ronster22 on Aug 11, 2008 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
almost none of these things can/will happen
in 2007, Cashman should have gotten into a time machine and signed Randy Johnson from 2001, Pedro Martinez from 1999, and Sandy Koufax from 1962. This year, they should have traded the entire farm system for Johan Santana….
I think Cashman has (correctly) realized the realities of the baseball economy. Good pitching is rare, and with the advent of revenue sharing, teams are keeping their young pitchers longer, meaning fewer quality free agents. To get good pitching, you either need to find the right veterans that are willing to sign short term deals for large dollar amounts (Clemens, Pettitte), draft it (Joba), or trade away the farm for it and then sign the pitcher to a $100 contract to justify the cost of acquisition (Santana).
Anything that Cashman could have done for 2007 or 2008 would have been for the short-term, at the epxense of the long term. The free agent & trade options required a greater financial commitment and most were equally mediocre.
Yes, as of August 11, 2008, it’s easy to pan him for not making the Johan Santana deal. Remember though, that Hughes and Kennedy were/still are fairly good prospects, and Melky projected to become a decent outfielder. Plus, Santana would required a $130 million contract, with another 40% luxury tax on top of that. This offseason, we can (and should) sign CC Sabbathia. For roughly the same amount of money, we’ll get a pitcher who is younger and still in his prime, plus we get to keep Hughes, Kennedy, and Cabrera. Essentially, if the money is roughly equal and the two pitchers in question (Santana and Sabatthia) are roughly equal, you have to ask yourself if getting a front line left handed starting pitcher one year earlier is worth three of your most highly touted young players – I think the answer is no, no matter how the young guys turn out.
I think we will continue to see the Yankees making smart moves – ie resigning Pettitte and possibly Mussina to short-term deals. I also imagine they will make a hard run at Sabatthia, as he is one of the few free agent pitchers to come up recently that is truly a difference maker. How about an opening day rotation of
1 – CC Sabatthia
2 – CM Wang
3 – Andy Pettitte
4- Joba Chamberlain
5 – ? (Hughes, Kennedy, et al).
Plus, the good bullpen that we’ve devloped this year (this weekend’s series with the Angels notwithstanding).
Frankly, I think they need to do this regardless of the cost. Forget Texeira, forget everybody else. Cash will make smart trades (Nady) and pick up other teams salary dumps (Abreu) to fill holes on the offense. The key is flexibility – you don’t to be stuck with somebody for 8 years.
Leading the league in offense will win you the division or the wild card, and you will quickly exit in the first round of playoffs. Having 4 horses in the rotation and a quality bullpen, that will win you the World Series….
by 3460kuri on Aug 11, 2008 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
Time machine, Johan Santana?
I never advocated signing Santana, ever. And in my post, I never even mentioned his name. I was merely making the point that in each of the last two years, Cashman pinned the success of 40% of our rotation on guys with serious question marks. My point (and you obviously missed it) isn’t that Cashman sucks, or should be fired, but rather he needs to move on proven, bankable starters like Sabathia, Pettitte, Sheets.
Our bullpen is alittle weaker without Farnsworth (I can’t believe I said that), but I don’t even look at the fiasco that happened in Anaheim. We have a good young pen that’s only going to get stronger. Now let’s focus on hitting—on making quality moves either within or outside the organization to augment what we already have.
I would run at Tex, but I don’t think I’d give him 8 years. I do agree with you on that.
"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will
by Ronster22 on Aug 11, 2008 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about
Cano + Kennedy + B prospect for Justin Upton. Then sign Orlando Hudson for 2B?
by daneptizl on Aug 11, 2008 9:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No chance
I’m ok with trading Cano and signing Hudson, but I want a pitcher in return. But there’s no way the D-backs will trade a player who is under their control for the next 4 or 5 seasons for Cano (same time under control, more expensive, established weaknesses).
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
by jscape2000 on Aug 11, 2008 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No chance
I’m ok with trading Cano and signing Hudson, but I want a pitcher in return. But there’s no way the D-backs will trade a player who is under their control for the next 4 or 5 seasons for Cano (same time under control, more expensive, established weaknesses).
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
by jscape2000 on Aug 11, 2008 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holliday is not as good as he seems—check out his road numbers career-wise and you’ll see he’s a Colorado hitter. Don’t waste money on Manny or the Cheese Darvish. It should be Dunn and over with. Let Abreau go, too. Just because a team has a lot of money at its disposal doesn’t mean it should spend it foolishly. That’s how you get in trouble in the first place, spending money all willy-nilly and stuff. Brains, combined with money, would make the Yankees a super-powerful force able to crush all who dare tread in their path. Isn’t that how it should be?
by nettles9 on Aug 11, 2008 10:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A few things...
First things first, the Yankees are not out of the race yet. It is not impossible to make the Wild Card. Let’s not forget just because everyones bats are sleeping doesn’t mean they can’t wake up. Damon/Jeter/Abreu/Arod/Giambi/Cano, please. This lineup is still the most dangerous lineup in the majors no matter what anyone says. Our only issue is pitching. If the starters can hold teams down for at least 6 to 7 innings a game, theres no reason why the bullpen can’t dominate. It’s been done before this season, it can still happen again.
Secondly, as for the off season acquisitions; Manny will never be on the Yankees. As good as his bat is, his defense is garbage. He’s 37 years old. We need YOUTH. The Yankees desperately need SPEED! On paper the bats are certainly not the problem.
I could write a lot more but I’m tired and I don’t feel like it. :D
by Fluke on Aug 11, 2008 11:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The fat lady is singing ... it's time to face the facts
I’m an optimistic guy, but this last weekend demonstrated to me that we have a LONG way to go before we can compete with the Angels. Let’s start with pitching.
"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will
by Ronster22 on Aug 11, 2008 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that lineup
is very good most years, but it happens to be that this year Cano and DJ are disappointing. no one expected years like this out of them.
yes, Manny plays poor D, but his offense more than makes up for it. if youth, speed and defense were so great, Melky and Gardner would be all-stars.
by Travis G on Aug 11, 2008 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bear in mind
i never wrote the season is over, i merely posed it as a question.
4 games is not too much to make up. the phils came from 7 games back with only 17 to go. but i’d rather not bank on that.
and even if the Yanks were comfortably in 1st, i’d still like discussing the future. it’s fun no matter how good or bad the team is.
by Travis G on Aug 11, 2008 4:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nicely done Travis on your post
I’m going to write one projecting next season as well. I’ll probably do that within the next several days.
by anaconda on Aug 11, 2008 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rays
have lost Crawford and now Longoria. Their starting pitching has overachieved (like our bullpen) and this may be the break the Yankees need with games still left against them. Other than that, they MUST take care of the Twins, preferably a sweep
by emille2 on Aug 11, 2008 6:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Longoria is a huge loss
This defense has been as preternatural as his offense. With Joba down, he was my pick for ROY.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
by jscape2000 on Aug 11, 2008 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Longoria is an ENORMOUS blow to the Rays
And Crawford is on the DL too.
With the injuries and all the road games they’ve got the rest of the year, the Rays likely won’t hold onto the AL East lead.
It’s a shame what happened to Longoria, though. He’s quickly becoming one of my favorite non-Yankees. He would have won the ROY hands down (and still might) and probably a few MVP votes too.
Can’t underestimate just how big of a blow that it is to lose him.
by anaconda on Aug 11, 2008 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need
guys in the mold of Paul O’Neill. Smart, contact hitters with a little pop. What wins in the playoffs is power pitching and contact hitting. That’s John Smoltz’s opinion and I agree. Think of the 90s teams, and that’s what we had. Plus, the greatest closer of all time. If Cash Man is smart, he’ll look to rebuild the team in that image.
by runbrettrun on Aug 11, 2008 10:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Its gonna take a 4yr/90mil
contract to sign Manny.
by eltunagrande on Aug 12, 2008 7:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
who's giving him that?
i dont even think the desperate Mets would do that.
by Travis G on Aug 12, 2008 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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