Game #86 - Boston Red Sox @ New York Yankees
by anaconda on Jul 3, 2008 4:59 PM EDT
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PrintBoston Red Sox at New York Yankees, Jul 3, 2008 7:05 PM EDT
BOSTON RED SOX
Jacoby Ellsbury, LF
Dustin Pedroia
J.D. Drew, RF
Manny Ramirez, DH
Mike Lowell, 3B
Kevin Youkilis, 1B
Coco Crisp, CF
Jason Varitek, C
Julio Lugo, SS
NEW YORK YANKEES
Johnny Damon, LF
Derek Jeter, SS
Bobby Abreu, RF
Álex Rodríguez, 3B
Jason Giambi, DH
Jorge Posada, C
Robinson Cano, 2B
Wilson Betemit, 1B
Melky Cabrera, CF
PREGAME NOTES:
- Brett Gardner is out of the lineup tonight against the left-hander, but Melky Cabrera and his 0-for-19 slide with horrific NL pitcher-like numbers against lefties (.196 / .296 / .293) is back in. Sigh, that makes sense.
- Pete Abe reports that Hideki Matsui has not responded well to physical therapy and will certainly be out until after the All-Star Break, if not longer. He's also expected to need surgery at some point.
- Jon Lester is a lifetime 0-0, 17.18 ERA, 3.00 WHIP in one start against the Yanks. He is 2-2, 4.66 ERA, 1.55 WHIP in 9 starts on the road this season.
- Andy Pettitte is a lifetime 15-6, 3.45 ERA, 1.34 WHIP in 29 games (27 starts) against the Red Sox. He is 4-0, 1.00 ERA, 0.96 WHIP over his last 4 starts.
- Red Sox' hitters vs. Pettitte can be viewed here. Yanks' hitters vs. Lester can be viewed here.
- BTW, Ian Kennedy makes his return to Scranton tonight and will start against Lehigh Valley (Phillies). He will be limited to about 90 pitches.
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Ramirez
...yankee killer even with a sure DP. I don’t get it. Of all the sox I do respect the man’s work ethic tho.
That error by Jeter really sucked
It turns a scoreless game into a 2-0 game and a 12-pitch inning into a 25-pitch inning.
I Still
...don’t understang why he had the night off against the Rangers. Was that an injury thing? Seems like it takes him days to come back from a day off. What is that all about?
Jeter has played every day since his quad injury in April
Girardi just decided to rest him for one night.
Girardi's too
...predictable. He need’s to mix it up. Especially when you can’t count in 18 runs every night and you go 3-1 in the first real run against American league leaders.
I think he's mixed it up too much
and trying too hard to outsmart people. That’s one of my biggest problems with him.
Disagree
...played the percentages too much. Watch when Moose goes against Martinez again. I guarantee he’ll prove my point; unless he’s learnd from the last two burns.
That's Girardi's problem
he’s plays the percentages too much.
The old adage is you don’t change anything in your lineup the night after you score 18 runs – especially when this team has had so many problems scoring runs.
But he has Melky out there tonight because he’s a switch-hitter (in name only) and benches Gardner.
I dont agree with the bunt in most situations to begin with
but down 2 in the 1st does not make any sense.
I would
...have based on that throw and the unfortunate swing. He’s not 100%.
Kennedy is doing so-so in Scranton
2.0 IP, 2 H, 1 ER 2 BB, 0 K – 48 pitches – 27 strikes, 21 balls
They are now in a rain delay.
Sabathia was
...the key this year. Mistake.
Are you saying Santana was the mistake or Sabathia?
Either way, I was against both moves. The old Steinbrenner Yankees of quick fixes and bloated payrolls has to end sooner or later.
I’m glad the transition is taking place now.
Could be
...he’s insecure in this spot, but he’s hasn’t from day one utilized the hand he’s been dealt. Dumb baseball.
I don't think
anyone knows what the hell you’re talking about.
Put the whiskey bottle down.
"Well, that kind of puts a damper on even a Yankees win."
-- Phil Rizzuto after hearing about the Pope's death
Watch and
..learn, as Girardi will. We will not make the playoffs this year.
Are you watching?
The season started this week (Before the allstar break). And we are whorfully inadequate.
Honestly
The way these boys are playing, we will be 12 games out by the break. Sucks, but true. And it’s Girardi. Period.
Exageration
to be sure, but we’ve got this series (-8.5) tonight. Tampa (-10.5), Pitsburgh”s a win (-9.5), and Toronto which in my opinion is an even match – So 10 games out by the break..
you mean Girardi has had nothing to do with Jeter's
horrible season? or Melky’s slump? or Hughes’ injury? or IPK’s ineffectiveness? or Kay’s annoying home run calls?
from everybody’s bitching and moaning, i thought all of that was Girardi’s fault.
by Clutch like Leyritz on Jul 3, 2008 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, something like that
Girardi wasn’t my first choice to be the manager. But they hired him and he’s going to be there for awhile.
I’m trying really hard to like Girardi and always give him the benefit of the doubt. But I catch myself shaking my head a lot with some of his strategic moves and overall logic.
the no bunt call the other day
was horrific.
by Clutch like Leyritz on Jul 3, 2008 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Missing the postseason could be a good thing for this team
Boston has done okay since they missed it in 2006.
But the problem with the Yanks is that they have no MLB-ready position players ready to contribute.
It is a huge problem
As well as the fact that we still can’t be sure that the young pitching will pan out the way we’d like to think it will.
True
But if they keep stockpiling young pitching as they have over the last few years – some of these kids will stick and contribute to this team.
The one thing that I’ll never understand is why the organization has a whole essentially neglected the draft and player development for so many years when the dynasty was built on a youthful core from the system and a strong rotation.
That neglect by The Boss himself and not hiring competant people to run the draft has really come back to bite them the last few years.
The old quick fix method of signing FAs is increasingly becoming a thing of the past.
Pauly, Tino, Chuck etc
They did make some decent trades as well but you’re right, the practice of signing the “marque” free agents has largely been a failure for them (I swear it started with Giambi who could hit but not field forever causing a log jam at the DH spot). Another thing to consider is what happens to the line-up without Abreu and…gulp…never thought I’d say this…Giambi next year?
Disagree
...They’ve won two. We haven’t won baseball schtick.
Since When
has young pitching won anyone anything? Not recently. Cashman screwed up.
I think Joba's doing okay
And there are several arms at the minor league level who are going to get opportunities sooner or later.
A
..bottom line is, when did we win last? When did they win last? where does the curse lie now? Kennedy? Hughs? or Sabathia? It was stupid to pass that up.
Yeah
and press had an orgy with his no hitter and cancer thing. You’re point? Nolan Ryan, Mariano Rivera, etc…
What
in fuck’s name are you talking about?
I don’t speak idiot, but in trying to decode your above message it’s SANTANA I think you keep talking about and not SABATHIA. SABATHIA might be traded in the next month or so, but no discussions have taken place yet. SANTANA was traded this past offseason genius. SANTANA is the player that was “passed up”, not SABATHIA. SABATHIA is still with the team he has always been on.
GO AWAY.
"Well, that kind of puts a damper on even a Yankees win."
-- Phil Rizzuto after hearing about the Pope's death
They could have
traded for him (and it is Sabathia, we could have traded for before the trade deadline), if Cashman would have been so inclined. Actually , we could have had him easily, Cleveland was willing to let him go and Cashman didn’t bite. So bite this Idiot, we lost on this one.
I promise to go away when you learn the game.
When?
last year? When they were 1 game out of first place at the all star break?
Sounds like a perfect time to trade the Ace of the staff…
youre probably right
Cashman let people know he was not interested in a trade for C.C. If Cashman really wanted C.C. he should have called up the NY Post and let them know hes just dying to get him.
Sabathia is not available right now
So how could Cashman have traded for Sabathia when he’s not even on the market yet?
Sigh
The trading deadline is still several weeks away.
Cleveland is going to hold out until the last minute, if they trade him at all, so they can get the best possible offer. Unless you wanted Cashman to pull a Mike Ditka and offer the Tribe the entire farm system – which I’m sure you would have green-lighted.
And last I checked Sabathia is a pitcher not a hitter. If you notice there’s a zero in the NYY column tonight. Aside from the 18 last night, the offense has sucked. That is this team’s biggest problem.
If you keep promises you won’t reply to this, or anything else.
"Well, that kind of puts a damper on even a Yankees win."
-- Phil Rizzuto after hearing about the Pope's death
The deadline
for you to leave us all alone was yesterday.
The trading deadline is July 31.
"Well, that kind of puts a damper on even a Yankees win."
-- Phil Rizzuto after hearing about the Pope's death
Yup.
Thank You. I’ve got socks older than you I guarantee it.
Believe me
it shows.
"Well, that kind of puts a damper on even a Yankees win."
-- Phil Rizzuto after hearing about the Pope's death
The Sox have implemented a lot of youth into that team
Pedroia, Ellsbury, Buchholtz, Masterson, Lester, Papelbon, etc….
Excellent timing
for the dreaded Pettitte clunker. Ugh.
Beckett vs. Rasner tomorrow. Double ugh.
Pray for rain.
"Well, that kind of puts a damper on even a Yankees win."
-- Phil Rizzuto after hearing about the Pope's death
you're right about timing...
usually andy is great against boston.
by Clutch like Leyritz on Jul 3, 2008 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of the kids....
Jose Tabata has a severe hamstring injury. A horrific season for him just got worse.
Nice job by Geis
Good find by Cashman or whoever found him.
Now put a few on the board against this kid.
The Sox bullpen sucks, if the Yanks can knock Lester out they have a shot here.
"Well, that kind of puts a damper on even a Yankees win."
-- Phil Rizzuto after hearing about the Pope's death
HA
2 hits for Melky. Figures.
"Well, that kind of puts a damper on even a Yankees win."
-- Phil Rizzuto after hearing about the Pope's death
just got home from the game
This was one of the uglier losses I’ve ever seen in person. By the time it got to 4-0, I think everyone in the park felt like it was over (at least I did). It’s time to start thinking about being sellers at the trade deadline. Everyone not nailed down must go.
by long time listener on Jul 3, 2008 11:15 PM EDT reply actions
At this point, I'll be satistfied if they
can stay above .500 by the All-Star Break. Looking at the schedule, though, I would not bet money on it.
Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier. The cigars taste better. The trees are greener. --Billy Martin
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