Game #86 - Boston Red Sox @ New York Yankees
by anaconda on Jul 3, 2008 4:59 PM EDT
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Boston Red Sox at New York Yankees, Jul 3, 2008 7:05 PM EDT
BOSTON RED SOX
Jacoby Ellsbury, LF
Dustin Pedroia
J.D. Drew, RF
Manny Ramirez, DH
Mike Lowell, 3B
Kevin Youkilis, 1B
Coco Crisp, CF
Jason Varitek, C
Julio Lugo, SS
NEW YORK YANKEES
Johnny Damon, LF
Derek Jeter, SS
Bobby Abreu, RF
Álex Rodríguez, 3B
Jason Giambi, DH
Jorge Posada, C
Robinson Cano, 2B
Wilson Betemit, 1B
Melky Cabrera, CF
PREGAME NOTES:
- Brett Gardner is out of the lineup tonight against the left-hander, but Melky Cabrera and his 0-for-19 slide with horrific NL pitcher-like numbers against lefties (.196 / .296 / .293) is back in. Sigh, that makes sense.
- Pete Abe reports that Hideki Matsui has not responded well to physical therapy and will certainly be out until after the All-Star Break, if not longer. He's also expected to need surgery at some point.
- Jon Lester is a lifetime 0-0, 17.18 ERA, 3.00 WHIP in one start against the Yanks. He is 2-2, 4.66 ERA, 1.55 WHIP in 9 starts on the road this season.
- Andy Pettitte is a lifetime 15-6, 3.45 ERA, 1.34 WHIP in 29 games (27 starts) against the Red Sox. He is 4-0, 1.00 ERA, 0.96 WHIP over his last 4 starts.
- Red Sox' hitters vs. Pettitte can be viewed here. Yanks' hitters vs. Lester can be viewed here.
- BTW, Ian Kennedy makes his return to Scranton tonight and will start against Lehigh Valley (Phillies). He will be limited to about 90 pitches.
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I would have liked to have gone to this game.
Andy vs. the Red Sox. Classic.
by bronxbound on Jul 3, 2008 7:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow...
Jeter gave them a gift run there. Horrible throw.
by anaconda on Jul 3, 2008 7:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ramirez
...yankee killer even with a sure DP. I don’t get it. Of all the sox I do respect the man’s work ethic tho.
by whollycow on Jul 3, 2008 7:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
do you think Damon is embarassed by that?
by seanp23 on Jul 3, 2008 7:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would be
but he’s probably used to it.
by anaconda on Jul 3, 2008 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That error by Jeter really sucked
It turns a scoreless game into a 2-0 game and a 12-pitch inning into a 25-pitch inning.
by anaconda on Jul 3, 2008 7:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I Still
...don’t understang why he had the night off against the Rangers. Was that an injury thing? Seems like it takes him days to come back from a day off. What is that all about?
by whollycow on Jul 3, 2008 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeter has played every day since his quad injury in April
Girardi just decided to rest him for one night.
by anaconda on Jul 3, 2008 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope not
I wouldn’t do it in the 1st inning. 9th inning? Certainly.
by anaconda on Jul 3, 2008 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Girardi's too
...predictable. He need’s to mix it up. Especially when you can’t count in 18 runs every night and you go 3-1 in the first real run against American league leaders.
by whollycow on Jul 3, 2008 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he's mixed it up too much
and trying too hard to outsmart people. That’s one of my biggest problems with him.
by anaconda on Jul 3, 2008 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
...played the percentages too much. Watch when Moose goes against Martinez again. I guarantee he’ll prove my point; unless he’s learnd from the last two burns.
by whollycow on Jul 3, 2008 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's Girardi's problem
he’s plays the percentages too much.
The old adage is you don’t change anything in your lineup the night after you score 18 runs – especially when this team has had so many problems scoring runs.
But he has Melky out there tonight because he’s a switch-hitter (in name only) and benches Gardner.
by anaconda on Jul 3, 2008 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Girardi did it the other day as well
when he rested Abreu, Cano, and Giambi against Oliver Perez.
by anaconda on Jul 3, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont agree with the bunt in most situations to begin with
but down 2 in the 1st does not make any sense.
by seanp23 on Jul 3, 2008 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well as Michael Kay would say:
An inauspicious start to this game…
by seanp23 on Jul 3, 2008 7:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ok, it's time for that offense
we saw last night to show up.
by bronxbound on Jul 3, 2008 7:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
When
...Hank speaks, they play. He needs to take the lead. He’s got his dad’s heart.
by whollycow on Jul 3, 2008 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No offense - but that's BS
Hank’s words have zero effect on this team. The players roll their eyes just like we do when he makes an ass out of himself.
by anaconda on Jul 3, 2008 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kennedy is doing so-so in Scranton
2.0 IP, 2 H, 1 ER 2 BB, 0 K – 48 pitches – 27 strikes, 21 balls
They are now in a rain delay.
by anaconda on Jul 3, 2008 8:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sabathia was
...the key this year. Mistake.
by whollycow on Jul 3, 2008 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you saying Santana was the mistake or Sabathia?
Either way, I was against both moves. The old Steinbrenner Yankees of quick fixes and bloated payrolls has to end sooner or later.
I’m glad the transition is taking place now.
by anaconda on Jul 3, 2008 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he was
referring to the failed Santana negotiations. Which I was against as well.
by seanp23 on Jul 3, 2008 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeter is having such a horrible season
It’s actually pretty sad to watch every day.
by anaconda on Jul 3, 2008 8:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Could be
...he’s insecure in this spot, but he’s hasn’t from day one utilized the hand he’s been dealt. Dumb baseball.
by whollycow on Jul 3, 2008 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
anyone knows what the hell you’re talking about.
Put the whiskey bottle down.
"Well, that kind of puts a damper on even a Yankees win."
-- Phil Rizzuto after hearing about the Pope's death
by matthaggs on Jul 3, 2008 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watch and
..learn, as Girardi will. We will not make the playoffs this year.
by whollycow on Jul 3, 2008 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
takes a lot of guts
to make that bold prediction when the team is 7.5 games out of first…
by seanp23 on Jul 3, 2008 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you watching?
The season started this week (Before the allstar break). And we are whorfully inadequate.
by whollycow on Jul 3, 2008 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly
The way these boys are playing, we will be 12 games out by the break. Sucks, but true. And it’s Girardi. Period.
by whollycow on Jul 3, 2008 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exageration
to be sure, but we’ve got this series (-8.5) tonight. Tampa (-10.5), Pitsburgh”s a win (-9.5), and Toronto which in my opinion is an even match – So 10 games out by the break..
by whollycow on Jul 3, 2008 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
specifically
how has girardi. period. caused all this?
by seanp23 on Jul 3, 2008 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What does Girardi have to do with it?
It’s the players who are sucking right now.
by anaconda on Jul 3, 2008 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you mean Girardi has had nothing to do with Jeter's
horrible season? or Melky’s slump? or Hughes’ injury? or IPK’s ineffectiveness? or Kay’s annoying home run calls?
from everybody’s bitching and moaning, i thought all of that was Girardi’s fault.
by Clutch like Leyritz on Jul 3, 2008 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, something like that
Girardi wasn’t my first choice to be the manager. But they hired him and he’s going to be there for awhile.
I’m trying really hard to like Girardi and always give him the benefit of the doubt. But I catch myself shaking my head a lot with some of his strategic moves and overall logic.
by anaconda on Jul 3, 2008 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the no bunt call the other day
was horrific.
by Clutch like Leyritz on Jul 3, 2008 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dumb baseball
is not bunting 6 pitches into the first inning apparently.
by seanp23 on Jul 3, 2008 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't buy that
I liked Torre but he wasn’t the reason why they won.
by anaconda on Jul 3, 2008 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
can you say
effective starting pitching and consistent offensive production?
by seanp23 on Jul 3, 2008 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Missing the postseason could be a good thing for this team
Boston has done okay since they missed it in 2006.
But the problem with the Yanks is that they have no MLB-ready position players ready to contribute.
by anaconda on Jul 3, 2008 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is a huge problem
As well as the fact that we still can’t be sure that the young pitching will pan out the way we’d like to think it will.
by Rusty23 on Jul 3, 2008 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
But if they keep stockpiling young pitching as they have over the last few years – some of these kids will stick and contribute to this team.
The one thing that I’ll never understand is why the organization has a whole essentially neglected the draft and player development for so many years when the dynasty was built on a youthful core from the system and a strong rotation.
That neglect by The Boss himself and not hiring competant people to run the draft has really come back to bite them the last few years.
The old quick fix method of signing FAs is increasingly becoming a thing of the past.
by anaconda on Jul 3, 2008 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pauly, Tino, Chuck etc
They did make some decent trades as well but you’re right, the practice of signing the “marque” free agents has largely been a failure for them (I swear it started with Giambi who could hit but not field forever causing a log jam at the DH spot). Another thing to consider is what happens to the line-up without Abreu and…gulp…never thought I’d say this…Giambi next year?
by Rusty23 on Jul 3, 2008 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
...They’ve won two. We haven’t won baseball schtick.
by whollycow on Jul 3, 2008 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since When
has young pitching won anyone anything? Not recently. Cashman screwed up.
by whollycow on Jul 3, 2008 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Joba's doing okay
And there are several arms at the minor league level who are going to get opportunities sooner or later.
by anaconda on Jul 3, 2008 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A
..bottom line is, when did we win last? When did they win last? where does the curse lie now? Kennedy? Hughs? or Sabathia? It was stupid to pass that up.
by whollycow on Jul 3, 2008 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the guy pitching for the Sox today
clinched the 2007 world series.
Age: 24
by seanp23 on Jul 3, 2008 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What
in fuck’s name are you talking about?
I don’t speak idiot, but in trying to decode your above message it’s SANTANA I think you keep talking about and not SABATHIA. SABATHIA might be traded in the next month or so, but no discussions have taken place yet. SANTANA was traded this past offseason genius. SANTANA is the player that was “passed up”, not SABATHIA. SABATHIA is still with the team he has always been on.
GO AWAY.
"Well, that kind of puts a damper on even a Yankees win."
-- Phil Rizzuto after hearing about the Pope's death
by matthaggs on Jul 3, 2008 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They could have
traded for him (and it is Sabathia, we could have traded for before the trade deadline), if Cashman would have been so inclined. Actually , we could have had him easily, Cleveland was willing to let him go and Cashman didn’t bite. So bite this Idiot, we lost on this one.
I promise to go away when you learn the game.
by whollycow on Jul 3, 2008 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When?
last year? When they were 1 game out of first place at the all star break?
Sounds like a perfect time to trade the Ace of the staff…
by seanp23 on Jul 3, 2008 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A week
ago. Cashman cost us the playoffs.
by whollycow on Jul 3, 2008 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
youre probably right
Cashman let people know he was not interested in a trade for C.C. If Cashman really wanted C.C. he should have called up the NY Post and let them know hes just dying to get him.
by seanp23 on Jul 3, 2008 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sabathia is not available right now
So how could Cashman have traded for Sabathia when he’s not even on the market yet?
by anaconda on Jul 3, 2008 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha Ha
Seriously….someone is on some heavy shit tonight.
by anaconda on Jul 3, 2008 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the problem?
He’s got Whiskey aged older than you.
by seanp23 on Jul 3, 2008 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sigh
The trading deadline is still several weeks away.
Cleveland is going to hold out until the last minute, if they trade him at all, so they can get the best possible offer. Unless you wanted Cashman to pull a Mike Ditka and offer the Tribe the entire farm system – which I’m sure you would have green-lighted.
And last I checked Sabathia is a pitcher not a hitter. If you notice there’s a zero in the NYY column tonight. Aside from the 18 last night, the offense has sucked. That is this team’s biggest problem.
If you keep promises you won’t reply to this, or anything else.
"Well, that kind of puts a damper on even a Yankees win."
-- Phil Rizzuto after hearing about the Pope's death
by matthaggs on Jul 3, 2008 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The deadline
for you to leave us all alone was yesterday.
The trading deadline is July 31.
"Well, that kind of puts a damper on even a Yankees win."
-- Phil Rizzuto after hearing about the Pope's death
by matthaggs on Jul 3, 2008 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup.
Thank You. I’ve got socks older than you I guarantee it.
by whollycow on Jul 3, 2008 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Believe me
it shows.
"Well, that kind of puts a damper on even a Yankees win."
-- Phil Rizzuto after hearing about the Pope's death
by matthaggs on Jul 3, 2008 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Sox have implemented a lot of youth into that team
Pedroia, Ellsbury, Buchholtz, Masterson, Lester, Papelbon, etc….
by anaconda on Jul 3, 2008 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damon really looks like a New Yorker now.
A far cry from his caveman look when he was with Boston.
by bronxbound on Jul 3, 2008 8:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But
he still throws like a girl from Boston.
"Well, that kind of puts a damper on even a Yankees win."
-- Phil Rizzuto after hearing about the Pope's death
by matthaggs on Jul 3, 2008 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too true.
I wonder sometimes how he made the bigs as an outfielder. With that arm how is he not a first baseman?
by bronxbound on Jul 3, 2008 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent timing
for the dreaded Pettitte clunker. Ugh.
Beckett vs. Rasner tomorrow. Double ugh.
Pray for rain.
"Well, that kind of puts a damper on even a Yankees win."
-- Phil Rizzuto after hearing about the Pope's death
by matthaggs on Jul 3, 2008 8:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you're right about timing...
usually andy is great against boston.
by Clutch like Leyritz on Jul 3, 2008 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of the kids....
Jose Tabata has a severe hamstring injury. A horrific season for him just got worse.
by anaconda on Jul 3, 2008 8:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice job by Geis
Good find by Cashman or whoever found him.
Now put a few on the board against this kid.
The Sox bullpen sucks, if the Yanks can knock Lester out they have a shot here.
"Well, that kind of puts a damper on even a Yankees win."
-- Phil Rizzuto after hearing about the Pope's death
by matthaggs on Jul 3, 2008 8:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was just thinking the same thing. Where did he come from?
by bronxbound on Jul 3, 2008 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HA
2 hits for Melky. Figures.
"Well, that kind of puts a damper on even a Yankees win."
-- Phil Rizzuto after hearing about the Pope's death
by matthaggs on Jul 3, 2008 9:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the season starts
[insert arbitrary date here]
by seanp23 on Jul 3, 2008 10:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ticked off guy with pitch fork
Oh no we suck agian
by colts9318rock on Jul 3, 2008 11:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
just got home from the game
This was one of the uglier losses I’ve ever seen in person. By the time it got to 4-0, I think everyone in the park felt like it was over (at least I did). It’s time to start thinking about being sellers at the trade deadline. Everyone not nailed down must go.
by long time listener on Jul 3, 2008 11:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
At this point, I'll be satistfied if they
can stay above .500 by the All-Star Break. Looking at the schedule, though, I would not bet money on it.
Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier. The cigars taste better. The trees are greener. --Billy Martin
by garp on Jul 4, 2008 12:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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