Game #58 - Toronto Blue Jays @ New York Yankees
by anaconda on Jun 3, 2008 6:45 PM EDT
in Game Threads
Email
PrintToronto Blue Jays at New York Yankees, Jun 3, 2008 7:05 PM EDT
TORONTO BLUE JAYS
Shannon Stewart, LF
Marco Scutaro, 2B
Alex Rios, CF
Scott Rolen, 3B
Matt Stairs, DH
Lyle Overbay, 1B
Rod Barajas, C
Brad Wilkerson, RF
David Eckstein, SS
NEW YORK YANKEES
Johnny Damon, LF
Derek Jeter, SS
Bobby Abreu, RF
Álex Rodríguez, 3B
Hideki Matsui, DH
Jason Giambi, 1B
Robinson Cano, 2B
Chad Molina, C
Melky Cabrera, CF
PREGAME NOTES:
- Joba Chamberlain is expected to throw about 65-70 pitches and will be making his first start since July 25, 2007 for Triple-A Scranton.
- Dan Giese has been officially called up from Scranton and will be the long man tonight. Scott Patterson has been sent down to Scranton to make room for Giese on the roster.
- Chamberlain is a lifetime 1-0, 0.00 ERA, 1.00 WHIP (9.0 IP, 3 H, 0 ER, 4 BB, 15 K) in 9 relief appearances against the Blue Jays.
- Long-time Yankee killer Roy Halladay is a lifetime 10-5, 3.03 ERA, 1.18 WHIP in 27 games (25 starts) against the Yanks - although they did manage to somehow squeeze out a 3-2 victory over him on Opening Day.
- Yanks' career numbers vs. Halladay can be viewed here. Jays' career numbers vs. Chamberlain can be viewed here.
86 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
lookin forward to "listening to the game"
Even though I’m a METS Fan and I’m in dangerous territory, I’d be lieing if I said I wasn’t interested in this contest. Unfortunately I’m at work and I can’t watch it on MLB.com. But at least I can listen to the game. Should be interesting.
Good luck Joba! How can anyone not like this guy? (Dang, thought I would be the first post!)
What’s up “bronxbound”?
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jun 3, 2008 6:59 PM EDT reply actions
oh yeah...cold hamstring
not good conditions for pedro pitching tonight…low 50’s. hopefully he’s getting some good conditioning/stretching/hydration from the trainer(s)...
this will be my first time listening to a yankees broadcast. i’ve heard all of the jokes about suzan. does she know her stuff?
thanks for the well wishes…’as well’
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jun 3, 2008 7:04 PM EDT reply actions
packed house?
i wonder what the attendance is? ball-1
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jun 3, 2008 7:10 PM EDT reply actions
rays / sox update
tampa bay homers in the first…buck foston!
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jun 3, 2008 7:11 PM EDT reply actions
How many non-fastball, non-slider pitches you all think we’ll see in 65 pitches? 6?
I'm looking for a few knowledgeable fans who'd like to join me on Baseball Mastermind, whether you're a scout, a sabermetrician, a journalist or just a die-hard fan. Sign up for an account on BM today.
by Baseball Mastermind on Jun 3, 2008 7:15 PM EDT reply actions
goddamn it – locate the fastball!
I'm looking for a few knowledgeable fans who'd like to join me on Baseball Mastermind, whether you're a scout, a sabermetrician, a journalist or just a die-hard fan. Sign up for an account on BM today.
by Baseball Mastermind on Jun 3, 2008 7:16 PM EDT reply actions
If
...someone get’s around on one of those high fastballs, they will never find it. He’s gotta get ‘em down!
you gotta love the support that the veterans give.
i think joba needs to remember that he’s got some incredible players behind him. he doesn’t have to be perfect.
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jun 3, 2008 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he moved his front foot before the back one. the play-by-play guy is wrong. you dont have to step off the rubber.
I'm looking for a few knowledgeable fans who'd like to join me on Baseball Mastermind, whether you're a scout, a sabermetrician, a journalist or just a die-hard fan. Sign up for an account on BM today.
by Baseball Mastermind on Jun 3, 2008 7:18 PM EDT reply actions
as long as you throw over.
I'm looking for a few knowledgeable fans who'd like to join me on Baseball Mastermind, whether you're a scout, a sabermetrician, a journalist or just a die-hard fan. Sign up for an account on BM today.
by Baseball Mastermind on Jun 3, 2008 7:19 PM EDT reply actions
a plan is only good until the first shot is fired.
he’ll get back into it.
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jun 3, 2008 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
filthy slider
I'm looking for a few knowledgeable fans who'd like to join me on Baseball Mastermind, whether you're a scout, a sabermetrician, a journalist or just a die-hard fan. Sign up for an account on BM today.
by Baseball Mastermind on Jun 3, 2008 7:21 PM EDT reply actions
He's
...adjusted already. Down. Accuracy’s seemed to suffer tho.
Well shit.
I'm looking for a few knowledgeable fans who'd like to join me on Baseball Mastermind, whether you're a scout, a sabermetrician, a journalist or just a die-hard fan. Sign up for an account on BM today.
by Baseball Mastermind on Jun 3, 2008 7:27 PM EDT reply actions
I got It
Darth Vader – Joba. Good one if weak. Nice hit Damon!
also
they’re giving joba a breather after the long 1st.
by long time listener on Jun 3, 2008 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Good to See
Girardi’s giving the green light on the first pitch! He might win me over yet.
cano
needs a night off. Or I need a night off of watching him hack away.
by long time listener on Jun 3, 2008 7:41 PM EDT reply actions
Something
went to Cano’s head. He’s played distracted all year.
give and take
susan and john really work well and seamlessly in their broadcast
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jun 3, 2008 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
while we have a break.
how about Ortiz goin to the DL? i still think they have enough to keep producing runs…thoughts?
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jun 3, 2008 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Ramirez Will
...put one off the wall or worse from the DL if Girardi lets Moose pitch to him with first base open again. Good hitter. Moose hunter.
Not Bad
...except for the first of course. “A” is this the kid you were mentioning the other night?
san diego grad
beautiful city! sweet ballpark (PETCO)
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jun 3, 2008 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Like I Said
...earlier, Cano is hugely distracted this year. What’s his contract status?
Yep
..I thought I read that too. Makes sense. He ain’t at the stadium half the time.
I saw Dan Giese
pitch in Scranton. I can’t pretend that he impressed me. He’s a reliever who’s only starting because Horne got hurt.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
Hey
Just catching up… Scott Patterson went down- not Chris Britton. I’m stunned.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
Just
...getting used to seeing the Yanks on a regular basis via Sat. Getting used to the technology. I gotta tell you, as an old man watching, or more acurately listening to this, I miss the emotion of the Scooter. These YES types are way too passive. Must be a PC thing. When that ball hit the mound, I expected my ears to be filled with WHOA. No emotion out of these dinks. Takes something out of the game.
Checkin in
I was really looking forward to this game. Listened to most of it on the radio and got home just as Joba was getting yanked. From what I’m hearing/reading people have been pretty impressed with his first outing. What’s the consensus here?
FrankD from Pensburgh.com
His command wasn't great
but he did have a few strikeouts and threw hard and gave up just one hit – a seeing eye single.
Both were cheap runs scored against him. Walk, balk, passed ball, ground out.
He Was High
...in the strike zone in the first inning. He was lucky to get away with 1 in the first. He threw forty + pitches. He’ll come around. But I wish he didn’t have to. He’s a late reliever not a starter.
Your Response
...bears the key word – Minors. He throws too hard to be a starter. Man he throws hard.
Yep
Cause Beckett, Nolan Ryan, Roger Clemens, Randy Johnson, etc etc definitely would have been more useful as 8th inning relievers…
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
Throws too hard to be a starter?
Never heard that one. Most relievers don’t have 3 plus pitches with a 4th pitch coming along.
They didn’t draft him and pay that big bonus to be a reliever. They drafted him to be a starter. He was one of the top 5 talents in the 2006 draft but slid down to the Yanks because of health issues.
Maybe I'm
..wrong about it though. With proven entities like Girardi and the Steinbrenner kids making the call, I’m probably wrong. But the again, we’re one game below .500 in June.
And this time last year
We were 4 or 5 games under .500
Concede nothing.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
Different Team
...last year. I do not see a cohesive team this year. Given the aging team, the lack of a consistent catcher, and an obvious management unit that’s trying to find itself, you’re kidding youself if you expect the same result. I’d love to see it, but this team has entered rebuild mode.
Not rebuild mode – transition mode. Big difference.
They wouldn’t have signed A-Rod, Mo, or Posada to big money deals if they were rebuilding. They are implementing more kids because it’s an aging team.
It’s something they have to do because what they have done the last several years obviously wasn’t working.
And they are getting back their starting catcher on Thursday. Not many teams can overcome losing their starting catcher for over a month.
Symantics
You cannot win it all without a pitching. And Posada’s aging too. Do you really expect him to catch Chamberlain? I hope you’re right, I don’t see it. Pitching will once again take us out. I hate it, but it is reality.
All things considered....
Giese has done a pretty good job. I already like him better than Farnsworth.
Jose Veras has been disappointing
so far…
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
On Gamecast
Why’d they put in Edwar now?
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
Two lefties
due up.
Edwar is the only who can get lefties out. Or anyone out come to think of it.
"Well, that kind of puts a damper on even a Yankees win."
-- Phil Rizzuto after hearing about the Pope's death
Hawkins
...Bases loaded, this ought to be good. He throws at batters without fear though. No need to tonight, but I respect that.
Our Wonderful bullpen again....
Wow this is becoming depressing…
ugh
what a waste of dvr space. just caught up. At least Halladay wont be going the distance tonight.
So who thinks?
Our post season streak ends this year?
Way too soon for that.
TB comes back to earth a la Mazilli’s orioles and Robinson’s nationals; Ortiz is out for a long time; no one wants to win the AL central; etc etc etc
Probably Not
If Girardi cedes the lead to who should have gotten the job. But, yes otherwise.
Nice
Are we keeping track yet of how many close games get out of reach, how many tie games go the other way, and how many leads get blown?
This is pathetic.
What should have been a simple plan to execute is turning into a trainwreck.
"Well, that kind of puts a damper on even a Yankees win."
-- Phil Rizzuto after hearing about the Pope's death
I don't get what your argument is here
Are you suggesting this is a game Joba in the pen would have made a difference? Not hardly.
You are really grasping at straws here. Joba never appeared in games when they were down – and they had been down since the 4th inning.
That argument is moot.
Hardly
Everyone is moved up a spot in this crap pen. This is what I’ve been saying all along. Taking one guy out (especially a dominant one) alters the entire configuration of the pen and how they’re used.
Farnsworth is now the #2 guy. Let’s assume for a second Farnsworth was still on a roll. Now, instead of being able to use him as early as the 6th inning and in games they’re losing (when Joba was available for 2), Girardi has to wait until the 8th inning in the hopes they tie the game or go ahead. I don’t like Farnsworth, but he has a better chance to get people out than Hawkins and Veras do, especially if the pressure is minimized by being earlier in the game and having a safety net in Joba behind him.
People like Jose Veras, Ramirez, Hawkins and Ohlendorf are being called upon to record outs that (unless there was no alternative) they likely never would have been called upon to get had Joba still been out there.
It’s a simple argument really. The Joba move has ripple effects on the entire pitching staff, and until he can neutralize those effects by becoming an effective starter (fingers crossed), the Yankees stand a better chance to lose games that they might have won. It has already happened a couple of times.
"Well, that kind of puts a damper on even a Yankees win."
-- Phil Rizzuto after hearing about the Pope's death
And
instead of maybe only seeing one of Veras, Ramirez, Hawkins, Ohlendorf et al in a close game, now we usually have to see at least two of them, and that decreases the Yankees chances of preventing runs to score.
"Well, that kind of puts a damper on even a Yankees win."
-- Phil Rizzuto after hearing about the Pope's death
The Pen
Now I’ve always respected your opinion, but no offense, you’re not exactly Nostradamus for predicting that the pen would suffer as a result of Joba’s switch. Everyone already knew that was going to happen.
And I agree that the front office botched this transition because they didn’t have a good backup plan or replacement for Joba’s vacated slot. But I was in favor of this switch from the get-go regardless of it’s consequences because I’ve always been a big picture guy on this issue.
That said, I do think there are going to be reinforcements on the way soon enough. I’m not sure what to think of David Robertson with Scranton because his walk totals are too high and the last thing this team needs right now is a guy who has a hard time finding the zone.
However, I do think Mark Melancon is going to get promoted to Scranton very soon, perhaps within the next week or so, and could be in the Yankee pen by the All-Star Break. The same can be said for J.B. Cox.
I didn’t realize this until I looked at his stats last night – but Melancon has already logged 40 IP this season and they will have him scheduled to pitch tonight or tomorrow. He’s been logging 3 and 4 inning stints his last few appearances.
Obviously, that’s a lot for a reliever but it’s by design to build up his arm strength. I can’t imagine they will let him log too many more innings at the minor league level because the big club needs help and 70 – 80 IP for the season is a lot to ask out of a reliever.
So Melancon may only have 30 or 40 innings left in his arm this season and I would imagine the organization will want him to throw a large percentage of them at the major league level.
But
a lot of smart people like yourself are still saying things like, “even if Joba was in the pen it wouldn’t have mattered last night, or the other night in Minnesota, or the night in Baltimore.”
But it does matter, it clearly matters, for the reasons stated above.
I hope as much as you do that Melancon and Cox can stabilize the pen, but there are games being played in the mean time, and the Yankees deficit is rising.
Missing the playoffs could potentially have dire consequences, even if Hank is half as powerful as he thinks he is.
The big picture you speak of could get ripped up and flushed down the toilet if the Yanks don’t perform this year. Hank will want to make a big splash in the new stadium.
"Well, that kind of puts a damper on even a Yankees win."
-- Phil Rizzuto after hearing about the Pope's death
I can see that logic
But Hank is not the only guy who runs the team. Hal has just as much power and he knew all the risks involved with going ahead with the Joba plan as well as Kennedy and Hughes starting the season in the rotation.
He signed on with this approach and backed Cashman 100% with the non-trade of Santana as well as these other moves.
This is my own speculation but I think Cashman and the Steinbrenners have somewhat of a verbal agreement or handshake deal but won’t make everything official until the season is over. I have zero evidence to back this up – just my gut feeling.
I think the front office knew this was going to be a year of transition with all of the youngsters and knew the organization could no longer stick a Band-Aid on their broken leg to fix the problem as they have done repeatedly since 2001.
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
Community Guidelines
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recommended FanPosts
Recent FanPosts
In Association With
Big League Stew - MLB - Yahoo! Sports
- Five tips for Showtime’s second season of ‘The Franchise,’ featuring the Miami Marlins
- The 10 best things about being a Detroit Tigers fan
- Surprise! A’s finally end the Yoenis Cespedes derby with $36 million deal for Cuban star
- The time Whitney Houston sang to Jim Bowden
- Pitchers and catchers! Mariners get early start in Arizona
Certain photos copyright © 2012 by Associated Press or Getty Images. Any commercial use or distribution without the express written consent of Associated Press and Getty Images is strictly prohibited.
