Game #78 - New York Yankees @ Pittsburgh Pirates
by anaconda on Jun 25, 2008 6:47 PM EDT
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NEW YORK YANKEES
Melky Cabrera, CF
Derek Jeter, SS
Bobby Abreu, RF
Álex Rodríguez, 3B
Jason Giambi, 1B
Jorge Posada, C
Robinson Cano, 2B
Justin Christian, LF
PITTSBURGH PIRATES
Nyjer Morgan, RF
Freddy Sanchez, 2B
Nate McLouth, CF
Ryan Doumit, C
Jason Bay, LF
Adam LaRoche, 1B
Jose Bautista, 3B
Jack Wilson, SS
PREGAME NOTES:
- Joe Girardi officially announced that Sidney Ponson will pitch Game 2 of Friday's double-header against the Mets. Yuck.
- Both Johnny Damon (foot) and Hideki Matsui (knee) remain out of the lineup and probably won't see any action in this series.
- Bobby Abreu is a horrific 2-for-30 with RISP in the month of June.
- Joba Chamberlain has never faced the Pirates. He is 0-0, 2.45 ERA, 1.53 WHIP in 4 starts since his conversion to the rotation.
- Zach Duke has never faced the Yanks. He is 4-2, 3.18 ERA, 1.45 WHIP in 8 starts at home this season.
- Pirates' hitters vs. Chamberlain can be viewed here. Yanks' hitters vs. Duke can be viewed here.
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No Matsui nor Damon.
No Gardner.
Ponson, not Karstens or McCutchen, confirmed to start Friday at Shea against Pedro.
grumble grumble…
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
So Jscape
Who does McCutchen remind you of MLB player wise?
No clue
I’ve never seen him pitch.
But I have seen Ponson pitch…
The scouting reports I’ve seen on McCutchen (fastball, curve, change), and everything I’ve read about him makes me think he can be an effective option.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
Ponson
Not a coincidence that he gets the start at Shea. The home crowd would have no patience for his fat ass.
If I’m Karstens I’m really annoyed by this decision. He would have either made the team or been the last man sent down if he didn’t get hurt in the spring, and now, after he was the pitcher of the week in his league, they give a spot start to an eight time (estimate) loser who has flushed every opportunity he’s been given right down the toilet. I have no doubt Sidney will suck on Friday, and even if he doesn’t, he’s an ass who I don’t want anywhere near the team.
Karstens is not a major league full-time starting pitcher, and there’s at least a decent chance he would have gotten bombed on Friday. But he earned this chance to pitch, especially considering who they opted to give the ball to. Karstens has to to be wondering if he’ll ever get another shot. The younger guys are getting closer to ready, and Giese and Rasner would both have to fall apart soon for it to happen.
Oh well.
"Well, that kind of puts a damper on even a Yankees win."
-- Phil Rizzuto after hearing about the Pope's death
Hmm
Jeter’s been swinging well, hasn’t he?
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
Kay says the CF couldn't ketchup to the ball
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
Is it ketchup
or mustard Kay doesn’t eat?
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
I wish he'd eat
and not talk with his mouth full
Arod did that
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
the joke is, Jete's ball
hit a Hienz ad on the wall
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
And hard slides
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
Ok Joba
that should be enough runs
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
Another walk for Gardner to lead off the game for Scranton
Sure would be nice to see him in that Yankee lineup.
He'll get a chance
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
I hope he is everything advertised Gardner that is.....
Is he a Grady Sizemore type?
Yep
His eye is his great strength.
And that’s what makes it so hard to evaluate him- we don’t know if he can hit enough to overcome MLB pitchers’ better command.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
Yeah, he's an OPB guy
He’s basically a slap hitter who does take a lot of walks. Big stolen base guy.
Melky is playing too well
totr a rookie. The chance will come via injury or Sept call up.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
Playing too well?
I couldn’t possibly disagree more with that comment. I think he’s been absolutely terrible this season.
that's why they have horse races
I think the Yanks agree with me
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
I agree with Anaconda
With Damon injured and Matsui hobbling around why not bring Gardner up and see what he can do? What about Austin Jackson?
Jackson is still at least
a year away. He’s doing ok at AA .280/.366/.439, but it’s he’s only got 300 ABs out of single A; there’s no way he’s skipping a level.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
What was Bernie hitting
When they called up Melky?
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
Let's face it....
Melky got his chance to play every day because Matsui and Sheffield went down for most of the 2006 season.
He is out there every day primarily because of his defense. His production at the plate is secondary.
Even Cashman said during ST that Melky needs to keep producing to keep his CF job. So far, in my opinion, he’s not earning his spot.
No
They called Melky up to be an everyday player in 2005 and benched Bernie. Melky allowed that inside the park homer in Boston and was promptly sent back down. But he had a chance in 2005 because Bernie was struggling.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
But he was sent down after that
He didn’t become the every day starter until Matsui and Sheffield went down.
he's taking better routes to the ball
this year
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
Gardner is a good defender himself
And he would be an upgrade at the plate because he gets on base considerably more than Melky.
Combine that with all the stolen bases and he becomes a more productive player than Melky.
But Bernie was hitting
.244 .326 .356 on July 7th when Melky was called up to take his place.
They gave Melky a shot to replace a former Gold Glover and fan favorite.
No reason to think they won’t give Gardner the same shot.
You’re right they’ll tolerate less offense for the defense, but we’ll see how long.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
I'm not disputing that he was called up in 2005
My point is simply that he became the every day starter and has remained there because of injuries to 2/3 of the Yankee outfield in 2006.
QAnd Bernie's defense had become awful
Specially his arm. As bad as Damon.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
I'm sorry
My “no” was meant to be to cbeck’s arguement that Melky’s playing too well to try a rookie.
That’s what I’ve been arguing.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
We have no idea if Gardner can hit Bl pitching
and we could set him back by bringing him too soon
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
How would he be set back
from getting MLB ABs?
I’ll buy they don’t want him on the bench- but is he really gaining that much hitting AAA pitching?
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
Bobby
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
BTW....
Alfredo Aceves will make his first start for Scranton on Saturday. I bet we see him in the Bronx not long after the ASB.
I'll take that bet
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
Cashman himself said that he needs a few starts in Scranton
and if he does well, he’s a likely choice. I must admit, I forgot where I read that – but that’s what he said.
I expect Kennedy, Rasner, Giese and Ponsone
And maybe Karstens to get a shot before AA. Isee him as a September call up
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
and hughes
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
Hughes won't be ready for at least six weeks
Ponson probably won’t be around that long.
Kennedy will be in the mix in a few weeks.
Rasner is going in a tailspin, but will probably be around for a few more starts.
Karstens will get a shot if he’s healthy.
Giese is just a spot starter.
Unless he suffers an injury, I guarantee you that Aceves will get an opportunity before September.
Nice bunt
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
I watched a lot of Cubs' games growing up because of WGN
And Tony Pena was an assassin behind the plate. He was Ivan Rodriguez before Ivan Rodriguez.
Wow!
...while growing up? Man, now I know I’m streching the envelope. Did anyone here see Craig Nettles play?
I saw Andy Carey
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
I saw Nettles play more in SD than I did with the Yanks
I’m 34 years old, so my baseball viewing stretches back to the early 80s.
Question Fella's
Where did Chase Wright ever end up?
trade bait
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
I don't really think he's part of their plans
He is having a pretty good season. He’s on the DL right now, though.
Oh no
We agree?
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
64 pitches for 4
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
What's the Deal
...with Pavano? I heard something to the effect he’s preping to return?
I suppose anythings possible
but I’m betting against it. He’s so out with the brass.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
2 in a row, lol
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
No Great
...shakes for me, but that’s the rumour. I’d really wish Cashman would go for Sabathia. I know I’ll gey hammered for this.
If they get him....
it won’t be until the offseason. I don’t think Cashman wants to pay for him twice.
Who'd you give?
Cano, Cabrera and Hughes? I would deal the first 2 but not Hughes. Make the deal if there’s one to be made that makes sense
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
Hughes has not impressed
...anyone other then the opposition batters, Given Cano’s lack of attention after the contract negotiation, one can’t help but wonder where his heart really is. Yup. It’s about winning. This year, and yes, later if possible.
Volquez of the Reds
is a very good example of a player some team gave up on too early.
I’m definitely not giving up on Hughes anytime soon.
As well you shouldn't
...nor Kennedy. These kids will be valuable to someone in the future. But they are busts right now, in this given season, and it’s about winning. Something this team has always paid well to do, but is not doing now.
They aren't busts
they just need a chance to get their mojo back. Oh yeah, and their health too.
If this team was just about winning in 2008, they would have pulled the trigger on Santana.
This team
...used to be about winning. Hell we bought Ruth from the sh^t sox for a championship. George finally realized it,: now we’re all about next year? I don’t buy it as a fan.
ATL and the Yanks
are the only team in the last 100 years to make the postseason for 13 straight seasons.
Yankee fans shouldn’t feel entitled to winning. Every team has to rebuild the core sooner or later.
You're
...saying I have to relive the 80’s. Not with this families money.
No, I'm saying they are trying to build this team like the 90s
The 80s mentality is exactly what they were doing for a few years until they put more emphasis on the draft and player development in 2005.
Disagree
...we’ve had a few great players come up within (let afew get away too – Soriano). Yankees buy.
And what has happened with those Yankees' purchases?
Most of them have big busts or disappointments. Moose is probably the best FA pickup Cashman has made since 2000.
Because other teams have more money now
the elite free agents aren’t available as much as they used to be.
That's something they'll address during the offseason
Cashman won’t pay for him twice. You can bank on it.
Won't disagree with that
But you’re making my point. We haven’t been buying since 2000.
No, that's wrong
They’ve done too much buying….
Giambi, Igawa, Farnsworth, Brown, Weaver, Pavano, Vasquez, Randy Johnson, Roger Clemens in 2007.
Every one of those guys were acquired via trade or free agent signing. And every one of them were disappointments or busts.
It was quick fixes and a lack of young talent
that has contributed to the reasons why this team has not been good enough to win the WS the last several years.
They have to change that and rebuilding the core with youth is the way to do it. Signing free agents and making dumb trades is not the way to rebuild this team.
More
Anaconda:
That’s a great way to build a football team. not a NY Yankess world champoin.
Obviously...
Cashman doesn’t agree with you because he’s building from within.
Yankee fans aren’t entitled to anything.
Rebuilding for the Yanks isn’t the same as it is for the Royals or Pirates. They can rebuild the core and stay competitive at the same time.
They just aren’t going to make the stupid moves and throw money at everybody the way they once did.
REvenue sharing
has given others enough money to keep us from getting the people we used to get. The old way won’t work now
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
I'd put Kennedy in a deal for CC
We have CMW, Joba and Hughes. If we got CC IPK’d be a 5th starter. With the other prospects we have he’s tradeable.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
Moose and or Andy might want another year
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
But his performance this year does open the door
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
Yep - this is far more like the real world as opposed to
the one where Spock has a beard, the Germans won the war, and the Pirates whup on the Yankees. Bwahaha indeed.
Anyone know anything about our DL guys
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
Only one I've
heard about is Pavano is making ready.
Bruney
Britton, Kennedy, Alabadejo (sp?)any others
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
97 MPH on his 98th pitch
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
I think he will be
I think he’s not yet
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
stupid
Risking his next start to pitch with an 8-run lead. He’s going to finish at about 115 pitches. This makes absolutely zero sense.
by long time listener on Jun 25, 2008 9:22 PM EDT reply actions
He's out of gas.
I like him pitching some low-pressure high-pitch count innings. He’s going to have to pitch over 100 some time, may as well do it when mistakes don’t matter.
They also have to think about this weekend too
with the doubleheader and Ponson and Giese pitching.
Not to mention Moose is pitching tomorrow.
I think Girardi wanted to squeeze another inning out of him because the next few days are a crap shoot.
I think it will take time.
I really feel like the we have a great nucleaus with Joba, Hughes, CMW.
We Cannot
...win without pitching. No team can. With Wang on the DL and a dwindled unproven bench, Sabathia is the only chioce for the post season unless Tampa takes a header. I just don’t see an option for this year. Cashman better be making his money right now.
Don't hold your breath
He’s not going to do that now. If Sabathia ends up in the Bronx – it won’t happen until the offseason.
If they didn’t pull the trigger on Santana, they won’t do it for Sabathia.
Just for shits and giggles
You are the Yankee GM right now. Who do you offer the tribe for CC?
I anxiously await your reply.
"Well, that kind of puts a damper on even a Yankees win."
-- Phil Rizzuto after hearing about the Pope's death
I asked the same question a while ago
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
I disagree
I predict we make the post season without CC
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
Can you show me a trade for CC that doesn't make
the team weaker? And I don’t need your money. I’ll bet you an honor point.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
I read yesterday...
that the Tribe wants Joba and Cano for Sabathia.
Of course, nobody in their right mind would make that move, but it goes to show you that getting Sabathia isn’t going to be cheap.
It's Always about this year
without pitching, next week we start leaving the playoffs behind us. We just lost 4 of 6 in a severly weak NL Central. We start playing real teams next week.
In case you were wondering...
The Yanks were in worse shape this time last season. They didn’t stay above .500 until the middle of July.
Torre
was running the show then. This is new. Gettin’ Girardied is coming to fruition. Then there is Tampa.
Thought I ready Answered it
Hughes and Cano.
You would give up Cano and Hughes now
when they could get Sabathia for money alone in 4 months?
That’s insane.
Yup and no its not.
n 4 months were golfing and I’m watching the G-men. Yup, 90’s George wouldn’t hessitate.
What year You Talkin' about?
Never called Eli a bust though.
last year
And you are lying if you are trying to tell me you were anything other than underwhelmed by his performance for essentially the entire regular season.
Wrong
I was at Giants Stadium (Stadium Club) when San Diego Drafted him and sat until we had him. There is no bigger fan of that kid other than his mother.
Don't get the question
He’s a great QB. ?
He's a Pup
...with a superbowl ring. Hasn’t yet proved himself. He’s Y.A. without the blood running down his face. What is the question here?
I guess you are proving the point
He is wildly inconsistent. He had a great run, yes. But how you can say he is a “great” QB is beyond me.
The analogy is, these yanks have been wildly inconsistent yet you are ready to trade away the future. The cheap future, for a guy who is going to want near Johan money who is not Johan.
Honestly
Since you brought up the word “you”. Thus personal. Are you a product of the public school system and believe the world is fair? No espcially in sports it never will be. George understood that, now all you nobody wins T-Ballers expect this game to be fair. Come on – it goes to those that pay the highest dollar. Yank s grabbing Ruth from the s>x, Mr. October was free? WE NEED Sabathia now to spark this team.
I Strongly
...disagree. A good hurler will gel this team and wake em up at this point. They (Cashman and ‘Brenners) are fools if they don’t land him.
I guess they're fools then
because I guarantee you that Sabathia will not be a Yankee on August 1st.
what?
I dont even know what this means. I never said anything about fair.
I said”you” because I asked “you” a question.
Its not just a question about money to get Sabbathia at this point. “You” are talking about giving up one of the yanks most highly touted pitching prospects “and whoever else they want” for a guy who is going to want a monster contract on top of that.
That's more like the 80s George
and the reason why they never won during the 80s. No offense, but I’m glad you’re not running the team.
I’d much rather miss the postseason this year and be in much better shape next season.
This team is more than just a Sabathia away from WS contention and that move would be nuts.
From the Cleveland side, probably not enough
from our side, too much.
I don’t trade Hughes. He’s worth more to me than CC.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
Ok.
You want the Yankees to do this trade right away, because, as you claim, the season starts next week.
Hughes is on the DL. I don’t think you can trade a player on the disabled list unless you call that player “a player to be named later”, which the Yankees wouldn’t do. So Hughes is virtually untradeable until he comes off the DL, which most people say is August.
The trading deadline is July 31. Unless you give Cleveland a blank piece of paper for them to fill in any three names they want, they’re not trading CC until about 10 minutes before the deadline, if they trade him at all. With they’re pitching they could be right back in the race a month from now.
You can wish for good players from other teams all you want. Wish in one hand and crap in the other, and see which hand fills up first.
"Well, that kind of puts a damper on even a Yankees win."
-- Phil Rizzuto after hearing about the Pope's death
Pitching is The Key
..give ‘em Hughes, give ‘en Cano, and wahtever they want in picks and cash. You CANNOT win without pitching. We don’t have it, Disd anyone watch Rasner’s performance last night?
But
....oh nevermind, you don’t get it.
Put a trade on the table that makes sense. It sounds like you want Cashman to call up the Tribe and tell them “we’ll give you whatever you want”.
Great idea.
"Well, that kind of puts a damper on even a Yankees win."
-- Phil Rizzuto after hearing about the Pope's death
The best quote of the night from this game comes from the fans in the seventh who cheered “Just give up, Just give up.” That was classic.
FrankD from Pensburgh.com
On the CC thing
I wish the guy cared enough to get into shape
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
That's what scares me the most about him
and why I’m not willing to give him a 6 year deal. Too big of a health risk and a lot of miles on that arm.
Hughes
has to be considered a health risk to. Down most of the last 2 years
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
Josh Beckett landed on the DL eight times with the Marlins
I’m not going to put the injury prone label on him yet.
Come on Veras
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
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