Time to seriously consider Cano's future
frontpaged by jscape2000
Just like every other Yankee fan this year, I'm starting to get fed up with Robinson Cano's complete inability to hit this year. It wouldn't be that bad if Cano seemed to be making more of a concerted effort, but his stubborn refusal to take pitches is so at odds with the traditional Yankee hitting philosophy of wearing out starting pitchers. How did this guy ever hit .342? Yeah, he's a notorious slow starter, but just look at Jason Giambi. He started this year out just as slow as Cano and look at him now. He's worked himself into becoming a legitimate power threat (not quite the threat he once used to be).
His glove is suspect at best. Whenever Michael Kay says Cano is a gold glover in waiting, I nearly crap myself. But in a world where David Wright has won a gold glove, anything is possible I guess, but Cano is far from a stellar glove. I guess what I'm saying is that if there is an opportunity to trade him for some pitching, I'm all for it! With Alberto Gonzales' major league level glove, he could make the transition to a full-time second baseman. As for his bat, his reputation is that he's all glove and no bat, but he wasn't swinging the stick too badly when he was up subbing for Jeter earlier this year. And his bat can't be worse than Cano's has been this year. Yeah, Cano has great hitting talent, and that's why I think we could score some good young pitching for him. With our offensive lineup, I don't think losing Cano is that significant. We need pitching more than we need hitting from the lower third of the order.
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We heard a lot of this last May and we’re hearing it a lot now. I was against trading Cano a year ago and I’m vehemently against it now.
I hate to say it, but I agree with Kay because Cano does have the tools to be a Gold-Glover and few Second Basemen in all of baseball have his offensive ability. Talent like Cano does not come around very often.
Trading Cano would not be smart and I’d be shocked if Cashman would even consider it. Let’s not forget that Cashman deemed Cano untouchable during the Winter Meetings, so I doubt he’s changed his mind despite the very slow start.
Although he wouldn’t fetch as much talent in return, I’d rather see the Yanks trade Melky Cabrera. I’ve said for nearly two years that he is a fourth outfielder who happens to start for the Yanks. I’d like to see Brett Gardner called up because Melky needs some competition.
by anaconda on Jun 12, 2008 9:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have to agree with anaconda
Cano’s potential outweighs his current slump, and at 30 million for 4 years with $14 and $15 million options for ‘12 and ‘13, I wouldn’t trade him for anything less than Cole Hamels or Tim Lincecum.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
by jscape2000 on Jun 12, 2008 10:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What bugs me is that he’s hanging out with patient hitters and obviously no lessons are being given. What good is sitting next to Bobby Abreu in the dugout if you’re not learning from one of the most patient hitters in baseball?
I think the lack of mentoring of these young idiots (Cano hacking at ball, Melky sliding into first) is what is bothering me. It’s obvious that no one is picking up on and correcting the stuff that is making fans nuts. If the kids are flapping in the breeze that is a Yankee management/coaching/veteran problem. What is REALLY REALLY annoying me right now is that there seems to be a lack of leadership on the team. How are they going to learn anything?
"The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided." -Casey Stengel
by bxgrl1 on Jun 13, 2008 7:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cano's approach
is not really the kind of thing that can be changed. Plate discipline is very hard to teach, and harder to learn from what I’ve heard and read.
Cano is who he is. He is an uber-agressive hitter who believes he can hit the ball hard no matter where it is – up, down, inside, outside – he’s hacking. We’ve seen him hit line drives to left field on pitches that most hitters wouldn’t be able to make contact with if they swung. He’s no different this year than he was his first two years, except he gets a bit more anxious when he’s in a slump and becomes even less disciplined.
I think he’ll be fine.
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-- Phil Rizzuto after hearing about the Pope's death
by matthaggs on Jun 13, 2008 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree ...
I don’t think it’s a lack of mentoring so much as a lack of listening. Look, Cano is Carew-like the way he sprays the ball around. But with fast success comes adjustment. Pitchers adjust, and they’ve done so effectively against Cano—exploiting his impatience by pitching him in and then sweeping something off the plate and away. It’s been going on all season.
It’s a game of constant adjustments, and he needs to adjust. I’m sure he’s been spoken to and advised on it, but it would appear to me that Cano has a listening problem.
Even so, I wouldn’t trade him. I might be inclined to send him down for a week, though.
"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will
by Ronster22 on Jun 16, 2008 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
first of all, you wouldn’t trade a player while he is down, hurts your chances of getting top value for him—buy low, sell high works in baseball, too. Second, some guys never learn to draw walks but this doesn’t mean they’re useless. Cano has talent. Third, veterans slide head first into first-base, too, and they occasionally hack, too.
Frustration breeds wackiness. If you Yankee fans think you have it bad, go check out the Mets’ SB Nation site…. they are ready to end it over there.
Mets and Yankees don’t look too good this year. Maybe their respective stadiums are having abandonment issue or something.
"We praise or blame as one or the other affords more opportunity for exhibiting our power of judgment." Friedrich Nietzsche, "All Too Human" (1878)
by wgarrett on Jun 13, 2008 7:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
call me after the All-Star break
when Cano bats .470 over a 25-game stretch.
by Clutch like Leyritz on Jun 13, 2008 8:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope so too...
what worries me is I haven’t seen signs that he is coming out of this.
Crowds are won and lost and won again, but our hearts beat for the diehards.
by Edwantsacracker on Jun 13, 2008 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do we ever?
Do we ever see signs someone’s coming out of a slump? It generally just happens suddenly. A lot of hitters are streaky. That’s what sucks about fantasy baseball too—you usually drop a player when he’s cold and then he gets hot or pick up one when he’s hot and he soon cools off.
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by SenorSwanky on Jun 13, 2008 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Such an overrated player
I don’t know. I’ve just never been enamored with Cano. He has a lazy glove, he’s impatient at the plate and never seems to hustle anywhere on the field. Since day one I was never a fan of his.
Yeah, he had a good 2006 at the plate with a .342 average, but keep in mind, that was the year he sat out a significant amount of time with an injury. He only played in 122 games and only had 482 AB’s. Cano got hot at the right time and it didn’t end bringing him close to the batting title. So he’s built a reputation off of that season. What about 2007? He played in 160 games ( a full season) and got 617 AB’s and his average droped to .306. His power numbers increased with an impressive 97 RBI’s, but I think most of that credit goes to the offensive juggernaut of a lineup batting in front of him. He’s going to get his RBI’s. He should have a lot more of them considering his ATROCIOUS numbers with scoring position. Good hitters ALWAYS have phenomenal numbers with RISP. It’s the one situation in baseball where batters have the advantage over pitchers. If he really is as great a hitter as Michael Kay likes to think he is, he should be batting well over .300 in that situation.
I think the most troubling sign this season is the proximity of his BA to his OBP. .220 vs. .260. That’s a TERRIBLE OBP and what this shows is that he absolutely can’t take walks. His only way to get on base is to get hits. It’s the only way he can be productive. Other batters while in slumps can get walks and still contribute, but Cano is a one-trick pony. Add all this to his lazy and oft-times terrible defense, and I see a player who is more reputation than fact.
by nitlion007 on Jun 13, 2008 12:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I understand your argument because I feel the same way about Melky that you do Cano. Of course, the difference is that we often see glimpses of Cano’s high ceiling potential whereas Melky is just lucky to be in a situation to start.
Besides, injury-shortened season or not, hitting .342 over a span of 480+ ABs in 2006 is pretty impressive regardless who the player is.
One thing to keep in mind is that we fans are going to have to live with Cano whether we like him or not. It matters not what we think of him, but what the FO thinks of him and they don’t have any interest in trading him.
Here’s why:
Contrary to the way the FO has done business in recent years, they gave Cano a four-year extension during the offseason two years before he was even eligible for free agency. That was something this franchise just doesn’t do with young players – especially when you consider that they didn’t want to extend that same courtesy to Wang – the undisputed "ace" of the Yankee rotation the last 2-1/2 seasons.
Secondly, there were two players on the Yankee roster that were deemed ‘untouchable’ by the FO during the Johan Santana trade talks.
Those two players were Joba Chamberlain and Robinson Cano.
I don’t see Cashman and the FO doing a complete 180 and changing their tune with Cano just 60+ games after they signed him to the extension. They are probably frustrated with him right now like the rest of us but they also know he can really rake when he’s clicking.
Again, I do understand your argument. There are just some players we’ll never warm up to no matter the talent.
by anaconda on Jun 13, 2008 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
defending the author
The author of this blog didn’t put up the original post about Cano. It was me, just a regular blog commenter. I wrote this as a fanpost and all of a sudden, someone put it on the main page. I guess the author of the blog thought it was a good discussion idea.
It says right there near the top that this article was “frontpaged by jscape2000”
So it wasn’t the author who wrote it.
by nitlion007 on Jun 13, 2008 5:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I disagree with several things in here
1. We do not ‘need’ more pitching. What we need is “healthy pitchers”. With Joba now in the SR, and Moose have a swan song career year, I see much more to be optimistic about in the starting ranks. Specifically: there’s no rush now to get Kennedy or Hughes back up; Rasner has held his own, Pettitte will be up and down, Wang will figure it out.
2. We do need more “offense”. But trading away Cano is the wrong thing to do to get it. Personally (and this is only my opinion), I think Cano is bored. When the team got hot last season, he woke up and started mashing. I wouldn’t be surprised to see it happen again. I also think he’s nervous (slumps go to your head) and he’s missing Larry the mentor.
And if you really don’t think hitting .342 is anything special (regardless of 120 games or not), and following that up with a .306 in a full season, frankly, I’d say you’re nuts.
3. “With our offensive lineup, I don’t think losing Cano is that significant.”
You mean the offensive lineup that currently boasts a -5 (that’s negative) Run differential?
tobxgrl
“What is REALLY REALLY annoying me right now is that there seems to be a lack of leadership on the team. How are they going to learn anything?”
I have thought the same thing for much of the early part of the season. Well said.
by detroit yankee on Jun 14, 2008 1:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cardinal Fan Here
Hey Yankee Fan’s a Cardinal Fan here with a couple questions
Our biggest hole right now injuries withstanding is 2B for us. Adam Kennedy has beyond bad this year and unlike Cano doesn’t seem likely to get any better. He does have a decent glove which is very important part of our ground ball dominant staff.
We have been blogging trying to find decent options to upgrade at 2B and I came upon Cano. Seems like a good fit because once we start to get a little more healthy in a month or so we will have entirely too many pitchers both relief and starting.
What do you think it would take to get Cano from the Yankee’s? Do you guys need a number 2 starter or just need a reliable number 3 that will put up innings for you? What is your guys relief situation also? What kind of glove does Cano have also?
PS
I hate Boston too
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 14, 2008 4:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What would it take?
For a 25-year old slugging second baseman with decent range and a cannon arm in the first year of a 6 year/59 million dollar contract?
Colby Rasmus and Bryan Andeson, plus two of Jaime Garcia, Chris Perez or Kyle McClellan.
The Yanks aren’t going to seriously consider trading Cano.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
by jscape2000 on Jun 14, 2008 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Talk about overvaluing
You think signing him to a 6 year/59 million contract as a good thing? When his first 2 years were arb away. Than you think giving up 4 cheap players is an equal trade. I said Cano not ARod
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 14, 2008 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's more
that I don’t think Rasmus will be worth much long term, and we’ve got plenty of unproven young pitching already.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
by jscape2000 on Jun 14, 2008 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes It's Hard....
to have patience, especially if your team is not playing so well. When that’s happening, you look at those who are not playing well and get frustrated. This is natural and has been happening all over the baseball world for many, many years. It would be nice if Cano can learn a little plate discipline but this might not happen. I think if the Yankees start winning and Cano is still playing bad, then it won’t be as bad. Some fans will look at what he is doing well. Since the Yankees aren’t playing as well as some think they should play, this magnifies all that is wrong. This is natural and has been going on forever, and will continue for all the teams in baseball. And football. And basketball. And hockey. And soccer.
Cano might get hot in the second-half. Then again, he might not. We’ll see. He is still young and has talent. Grit your teeth, Yankee fans, and give him a chance to work his way out of it. I think he might be much more disappointed than any of the fans are.
Baseball is a marathon, not a sprint. Please reference N.Y. Mets, 2007.
"We praise or blame as one or the other affords more opportunity for exhibiting our power of judgment." Friedrich Nietzsche, "Human,All Too Human" (1878)
by wgarrett on Jun 14, 2008 5:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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