Joe G. Fails to Impress Me

by jscape2000 on Jun 1, 2008 10:49 AM EDT in Game Recap

I'm been disappointed by Girardi so far this season. I was expecting a manager who would pay attention to numbers as well as his gut. As much as I like Ohlendorf, I wish that Joe G. would take the Farnsworth approach with Ross.

First inning of work: 16.1IP, 15H, 8BB, 7ER, 16K

Subsequent innings: 15.1IP, 23H, 6BB, 14ER, 17K

We've known since the first day of the season that Ohly's secondary pitches are a work in progress, and once big league hitters get a good look at his fastball (as good as it is) they're going to make contact. I would consider sending him down to Scranton to work on them; then again, in his second inning of work yesterday he threw his secondary pitches more than his fastball.

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who would you rather have thrown out there...

... instead of Ross O for that second inning of work? Hawkins? No thanks. Britton? Not in a tight situation like that. While Ross didn’t have great stuff last night, I was impressed with the way he battled. And Molina did a great job of pitch selection – see: Gomez’s AB.

I’m a big fan of giving a guy the chance to build confidence in his stuff in a lower-stress situation (i.e. AAA), but the bottom line is, the Yanks can’t send everyone down to Scranton to work on their pitches. Somebody’s gotta stay up here and eat up some innings. I haven’t been a huge fan of Joe G’s thus far, but I think he made the right decision to stick with RossO last night- especially considering the alternatives… and it worked out.

I know his numbers so far show he’s better in his first inning. But I think that will change as he gains more confidence, and I think an outing like last night will go a long way in building that. I really don’t see Ross as a one-inning or situational guy. I think eventualy he will that innings-eater/ spot-starter kind of guy.

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by NumberSeven on Jun 1, 2008 12:09 PM EDT reply actions

Ohlendorf as a spot starter

That’s a common misconception among Yankee fans these days. A lot of people think he can start on occasion simply because he used to be a starter.

But, the reality is, he hasn’t started a game in a year and there’s a reason why they converted him. At first, the team thought he would have a better shot at helping the big club as a reliever, and secondly, after the switch, his raw stuff got considerably better because he gained 3-4 miles on his fastball and his hard slider had a lot more bite to it.

Ohlendorf is no longer a starter and I don’t think the Yanks have any intention of ever converting him back because his value to the club is much higher as a reliever.

I also think Girardi has really mishandled him because he’s not a long man either. His stuff is most effective in those one or two inning stints. He’s also not getting regular work so it has to be tough for him to stay sharp.

by anaconda on Jun 1, 2008 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions

fair enough

but i still think he can be more than an inning at time guy.

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by NumberSeven on Jun 1, 2008 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions

Also...

I’ve heard Michael Kay repeatedly say on the broadcast that the Yanks feel Ohlendorf could be the eventual successor of Joba in the 7th and 8th innings with a little more conditioning.

Now I think Kay is a dolt for the most part, but I don’t think he would continue to repeat this claim if there wasn’t a smidgen of truth to it.

If that is indeed the case, I have a hard time believing that they would consider him to start again.

by anaconda on Jun 1, 2008 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions

i could not disagree more...

ross is not a long reliever/spot starter type. they transitioned him into the bullpen for a reason—he has one solid secondary pitch and he has the endurance of of an 80 year old.

i have no problem with the call last night because i’d trust a gassed ohlendorf over a fresh hawkins any day.

however, joe g. has been using him like the long reliever that he isn’t. he’s always the first out of the pen when our starter falters.

by tombradylikesdudes on Jun 1, 2008 12:22 PM EDT reply actions

At the time I thought Girardi was nuts but the whole Ohlie for a second inning, IBB and go after the rookie strategy was pretty gutsy AND it worked.

Girardi was a brilliant field manager as a catcher but he didn’t have to manage the bullpen. I think he’s learning. I’m glad he’s fooling around with things in April and May and not in the first round of the playoffs.

"The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided." -Casey Stengel

by bxgrl1 on Jun 1, 2008 12:52 PM EDT reply actions

Disagree completely

To be a big league pitcher sooner or later you are going to have to face these pressure situations and work yourself out of the trouble you have gotten yourself into. I came out of yesterday’s game a lot less worried about Olendhorf than I had been. I do not want to see Hawkins in that situation, or Chris Britton.
As far as being unimpressede with Girardi, we are about 1/4 of the way into the season. This guy has been hit with so many crappy situations and I am not going to make my mind up on Girardi as a Yankee manager until he has had a chance to manage a relatively healthy club for a few weeks. We have won 8 of our last 11 games, by the way.

Munson15

by Munson15 on Jun 1, 2008 12:55 PM EDT reply actions