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Girardi: 'The process has started'

As many of you know by now, Joe Girardi confirmed on the YES Postgame that tonight was the first step in transitioning Joba Chamberlain to the starting rotation.

Girardi later added that this transition has been the plan for months and their recent stretch of terrible baseball had nothing to do with this decision. 

Girardi also informed the media that the plan is to stretch Joba out at the major league level but did not confirm nor deny a minor league stint.  He did not disclose when Joba would make his first start of the season, but hinted it would be at least a month away.

Personally, I'm a big fan of this move because of it's long term benefits.  I've wanted Joba to be a starter since his debut last season because I believe starting pitching is still the most important element in a championship ball club.

The bullpen will certainly take a hit once the transition is complete, but it seems like the transition has also begun in the bullpen with the most recent promotions of Mark Melancon to Trenton and J.B. Cox to Scranton - both of whom are pitching lights out in the minors right now.

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I think if the Yanks

had been wining, Joba would have stayed in the best back end of the bullpen in all of baseball, but they obviously felt it was time to shake things up…It’s been pitiful watching each game lately.
Anyway, they have so much dead wood on this team right now I don’t know where to begin, but at least they got a win.

by John Amato on May 21, 2008 11:38 PM EDT   0 recs

Stinks of Desperate

John – absolutely. This is a desperation move. Plain and simple. The loss of Hughes and struggles of Ian Kennedy created this. I don’t think Joba will be the answer but I hope he can prove me wrong.

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by dan-sports.ccscoop on May 21, 2008 11:51 PM EDT   0 recs

How is this desperation when this has been the plan all along?

We talked about this plan the entire offseason and Spring Training, so it’s not like they came up with it out of nowhere.

The front office said months ago that the transition was going to be made sometime in June or July.

by anaconda on May 21, 2008 11:56 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You are correct.

This change HAD to happen at this time. If he had remained in the bullpen all year then come 2009 we would be having the same problem. Fact is he needed to get his innings this year to be a starter next year. This was the plan all along. Shouldnt be a surprise to anyone, if it was you werent paying attention.

by AdamC on May 22, 2008 1:01 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

misinformation

Hey there, love the blog!

You misquoted or misunderstood Girardi tonight though.

He DID NOT say that Joba wouldn’t be sent to the minors. Joe Girardi said that the current plan is to “stretch him out here”. Minor detail I guess, but Girardi was definitely less concrete than you made it out to be.

Anyway, I’m all for it for the long term. Hopefully someone like Mark Melancon or Humberto Sanchez can come up and make a big impact in the bullpen in the very near future.

by toptekjon on May 22, 2008 12:00 AM EDT   0 recs

Good point

I did interpret his words to be that he won’t be sent to the minors to be stretched out. But I could see how your point too that he was a bit vague with those details, so I changed it.

At any rate, welcome to PA.

by anaconda on May 22, 2008 12:05 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

now that's service!

Thanks for changing the blog, I really wasn’t even hoping for that…just excited to have found this site!

I think there is a huge point that everyone is missing with the Yankees this year. Look at their upcoming schedule. If they can’t clean up against Baltimore, Seattle, and Minnesota then Joba is the least of their problems. I know Minnesota is off to a decent start this year, but I think they are just a case of over achieving at this point.

20-30 games from now, I am very confident people will finally stop panicking.

by toptekjon on May 22, 2008 6:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think he will be stretched out on the major league

level for a little but. But ultimately hes gonna have to be sent to minors for prob 2-3 starts to get past the 50 pitches mark. Prob 2-3 starts in SCWB.. should only be down for 15 days.

by AdamC on May 22, 2008 1:04 AM EDT   0 recs

With Rasner doing so well

It will be interesting to see what they do with IPK and Hughes (when he recovers).

There might be an opportunity in the pen?

A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)

by Cbeck3 on May 22, 2008 2:01 AM EDT   0 recs

Agreed

My first thought as well. I wouldn’t move Rasner unless he blows two games in a row. Until Moose blew his last start, Rasner and Moose have been our only saviors of this rough patch. Wang, who started the season on fire, hasn’t won a game since we were just mediocre. Hopefully Rasner and A-Rod’s offensive surge spark this team. Good to see Cano, Duncan, Cabrera, Damon, et al, jumping on the young starter tonight.

Back to Joba, though. I don’t think we will have a rough time in the pen once he’s left it. We’ve got plenty of good arms to put there. We keep shuttling Britton back and forth; let him stay for awhile, at least until Melancon or Cox is ready. I’d be willing to try Scott Patterson and Dan Giese as well (in fact, I’d send Kennedy back down if he loses his next start and bring Giese up now). Edwar Ramirez has been outstanding, and Veras has been solid; they can become even more crucial in Joba’s absence.

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by SenorSwanky on May 22, 2008 2:33 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe I'm Wrong

But – My thoughts are that, while they have been careful to say that Joba could be moved to the starting role, it was more of a backup plan. If Hughes and IPK had more success than I don’t think we would see Joba moving out of the pen. They didn’t flex when Hank called out for Joba to move. They first moved in Rasner (who’s been great) and Igawa before starting this process. My opinion is that they hoped that they wouldn’t have to make this move, this early.

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by dan-sports.ccscoop on May 22, 2008 9:25 AM EDT   0 recs

No

The plan all along (though it was not made public, this is inference based on when he’d HAVE to begin the transition and based on what Cash and others have said publicly) was to begin stretching him out for the rotation in late spring/early summer and have him fully in the rotation by sometime in July or early August. Our struggles did not create the plan and maybe only moved up the timetable for it by a week or two if any; this is not a panic move.

"If you lived in my grandfather's house...and you wanted to eat, you had to be a Yankees fan." --Joe Biden

by SenorSwanky on May 22, 2008 10:24 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Joba

This move may not have occurred for anothe rmonth but for the absolute crappy way Hughes and Kennedy have pitched. If they were just at 5.00 ERAs, then Joba would still be strictly a one-inning pitcher, but they weren’t.

More vital to the Yanks season is the line-up needs to start hitting for some power and taking walks. Without that occurring, middle-of-the-road pitching means a .500 club.

by faketeams on May 22, 2008 9:37 AM EDT   0 recs

Joba in the rotation

On May 5, 2008 in a posting on this site, SenorSwanky first broached the subject about piggy backing Joba in the majors. I offered doing it with Rasner or Mussina’s starts and several guys including Ronster22 and DeathSquire 36 were in agreement.

For Rasner’s (or Mussina’s) next start, Joba will probably go three innings, then three innings again, then four innings, the four innings again, etc all piggy backed on Rasner or Mussina (more likely Moose).

At the five inning mark the Yankees will likely have Joba make a start (or two) in Scranton. But I still would rather have Joba get his starts here in the Bronx instead of Scranton. At that point JB Cox (or David Robertson) will likely be brought up from Scranton and both those guys are being groomed to throw two innings.

The reason for going three and four innings twice with Joba is the 3 or 4 inning stint is what separates relievers from starters. During a 3 or 4 inning stint, the pitcher sees hitters more than once through the order and should use more than his two pitch arsenal. Also, the pitcher at this point must conserve himself more by limiting the effort on every pitch. Notice how Joba really over exerted himself on a couple pitches last night? He won’t be able to do that as often in a 3 or 4 or more inning stretch.

This was Cashman’s plan all along to limit Joba’s innings this season and make him a starter. He won’t win every game he pitches and the Yanks will lose some of his starts, but it is the right move now, especially now with how well three young relievers (all former college closes) are doing in the minors.

I see a plane ticket out of town for LaTroy Hawkins, the $3.5 million mop up man. Think the Mets would trade Aaron Heilman for Hawkins?

Anyway, Joba’s slider looked pretty fierce last night but his fastball didn’t get cooking until this second inning.

by thejobarules on May 22, 2008 9:52 AM EDT   0 recs

Arms to build the bridge

Finally we’re putting Joba were he belongs. Desperation or not, I’m thrilled to see what he can do. As someone mentioned earlier, we need to start hitting or none of this matters, but there are some feeble signs of life—except for Giambi, who should be buried somewhere along the NJ Turnpike.

I think the transition will go smoothly, and finding an 8th inning bridge might be easier than we think. We have some good arms down below, and I’d grab the one with a closer mentality and hand it to him.

"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will

by Ronster22 on May 22, 2008 11:05 AM EDT   0 recs

Joba's 8th inning successor

Ronster22 said – “I think the transition will go smoothly, and finding an 8th inning bridge might be easier than we think. We have some good arms down below, and I’d grab the one with a closer mentality and hand it to him.”

That is probably JB Cox, who closed out the 2005 College World Series for the Texas Longhorns. Look that final game up on Youtube. It is quite impressive.

The more I think about it, the Yankees are more likely going to go with one of the young guns in the minors for this 8th inning role, just to show that another one of Cashman’s draft picks are capable of the Bronx pressure cooker. Sort of a validation measure for Cashman who has been under fire recently.

by thejobarules on May 22, 2008 11:47 AM EDT   0 recs

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