Wang, Chamberlain, Rivera

by LateInningRelief on Apr 27, 2008 4:13 PM EDT Comment 32 comments

Wang: C+. I know this guy is now 5-0 on the season, he was in the running for the Cy Young and he has more wins over the last 2 seasons than anybody, but I still wouldn't have started him in Game 1 last year. Anyway, I hear he had decent command of his sinker today--I didn't actually see the game--but does he stack up against Santana? Only clowns in Pinstripes would think so. Chamberlain: B-. Overrated. Rivera: F. This guy is hardly Hall of Fame material. I would trade him for Lincecum or Santana in a heartbeat.

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Classic

Haha, this made me laugh.

In all reality though, Wang, Joba, and Mo put together one of the best pitched games I’ve seen in a long time. And even Santana can’t say he’s 5-0 or that his team has won all 6 games he’s started. A+’s all around, especially to Wang’s slider.

by DeathSquire36 on Apr 27, 2008 4:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Love Wang's coolness

under pressure. It has got to rub off on the young guns.

I always feel pressure. What I don't have is fear. -- El Duque

by LateInningRelief on Apr 27, 2008 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Let me also add

Wang can’t beat elite teams on the road – especially not at The Jake (it’s real name) or Fenway.

by anaconda on Apr 27, 2008 5:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Oh my

I was thinking of doing a very similar post.

Wang: 4 hits F-

HE SUCKS! That moron Cashman could have had the double burger at Big Boy for this washout. What was he THINKING??

"The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided." -Casey Stengel

by bxgrl1 on Apr 27, 2008 6:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

C+

That’s pretty generous for Wang. After all, he only won by 1 run. Is that going to cut it in the postseason? No. Santana would have won by ATLEAST 3 runs today.

"It's great to be young and a Yankee"

by stillmonster on Apr 27, 2008 6:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

and lincecum

would have made sure the game was won by a walk off even if it was an away game because Lincecum DELIVERS. He’s totally clutch. Freaking Wang! LOSER!

"The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided." -Casey Stengel

by bxgrl1 on Apr 27, 2008 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Easy to talk crap now

especially when I made the call about not starting Wang in games 1 and 5 last year BEFORE the series started. Where the F was your ass and rest of the people here about Torre’s decision….I’ve been negative about Mussina and he’s been better than I thought and have been very negative about Hughes and Kennedy and they’ve been bad. And Cashman is Cashman. Just from the little I’ve seen of Kobayashi, he’s clearly better than Hawkins and Cashman wasn’t even in on this guy and he’s $3.1M per season. And I also said before the season I would’ve signed Mahay and Affeldt. Let’s see how that turns outs. As far as Wang, if he can continue throwing the slider as well as he did today he would establish himself as a true No. 1. As far as Chamberlain, the stupid Yankee organization and the rest of the scouts didn’t even realize that his talent was clearly above Hughes.

by andyroth on Apr 28, 2008 1:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

You have to agree

c+, B-, F as grades on the pitching in a 1-0 victory is laughable.

Good one, you had me going for a while.

A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)

by Cbeck3 on Apr 28, 2008 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just to humor you?

Who would you have started in Game 1 if not Wang? Pettitte makes sense, but then you’d still have to pitch Wang in Game 2, which was also on the road. Unless of course you wanted to start Clemens, who was on a bum leg and an empty tank.

So if you assume – and I know you do – that Wang would have been bad on the road in game 2, then you are still in the same situation when game 4 comes around – only Pettitte is even less equipped to pitch on 3 days rest than Wang is, and the game was at the Stadium, where Wang usually pitches well.

So as usual, I don’t understand why you keep bringing this up.

"Well, that kind of puts a damper on even a Yankees win."
-- Phil Rizzuto after hearing about the Pope's death

by matthaggs on Apr 28, 2008 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He would have started Igawa ...

"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will

by Ronster22 on Apr 28, 2008 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I see you root for the Knicks

which makes you dumber than James Dolan

by andyroth on Apr 28, 2008 1:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Knicks

That’s a really odd and ridiculous thing to say. I happen to respect people who still root for their teams in times of agony like the Knicks. Nothing wrong with a little loyalty.

Hey, I’m a Miami Dolphins fan and they were 1-15 last season. But, I’ve rooted for them for 20 years and I’m not going to jump ship because they haven’t exactly been a model franchise for several years. How stupid is that?

There’s a term for people who drop any affiliation to their teams through the bad times – they’re called “fair weather fans.”

by anaconda on Apr 28, 2008 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

and you know how to use the reply button

and don’t have cotton candy where your brain and sense and humor should be. :)

"The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided." -Casey Stengel

by bxgrl1 on Apr 28, 2008 5:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I love you, man

Miami fan since 1971. Gotta’ take the good with the bad, and we’ve had bad for a long, long time.
I wouldn’t do such a disservice to fair weather fans because that connotates that they are indeed fans of some kind. Roth clearly is not a fan.

"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will

by Ronster22 on Apr 28, 2008 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's not odd

You continue to support a team that has a complete fool for an owner and has ruined the franchise. You are a typical fanatic.

by andyroth on Apr 28, 2008 2:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Re:

I’ve got news for you, the Steinbrenners are not selling the team and Cashman will likely be the GM for another few years.

I’m no fan of Hank Steinbrenner and I’m ambivalent about Cashman. But I’m not going to stop rooting for my team.

If you cannot handle that – sever your ties as a fan of this club and be done with it. It can’t be good for your health to wake up so bitter everyday.

by anaconda on Apr 28, 2008 5:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think he was talking about the Knicks

but one never knows, now does one?

"The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided." -Casey Stengel

by bxgrl1 on Apr 28, 2008 7:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why thanks you.

Compliments will get you everywhere.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Apr 28, 2008 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You are supporting the team ...

Because you are still a seaon ticket holder. BTW I need two tickets … Since you don’t go, can I have them? I love my team and would like my daughter to experience the magic that is Yankees Stadium before the final curtain comes down.

"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will

by Ronster22 on Apr 28, 2008 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

do you

seriously need 2 tickets? for when or is anytime this season okay? I just might be able to hook you up. :) No one should miss the last year of the Stadium.

"The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided." -Casey Stengel

by bxgrl1 on Apr 28, 2008 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Actually yes....

Anytime in the season would be wonderful. Of course I’d prefer Friday-Sunday as it’s easier to travel up on the weekend than during the week. That would be amazing. Keep me posted bxgrl, and thanks!

"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will

by Ronster22 on Apr 29, 2008 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'll get you 2 for a weekend game

promise. !!!

"The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided." -Casey Stengel

by bxgrl1 on Apr 29, 2008 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I also have some pairs for Sunday games and would be willing to hook you up.

A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)

by Cbeck3 on Apr 29, 2008 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm gonna' name my next daughter bxgrl2

"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will

by Ronster22 on Apr 29, 2008 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm a season ticket holder in name only

My cousin paid for all four tickets this season. If he has any that he doesn’t plan to use they will go for what the market will bear, meaning best offer gets them. I will not pay to see this team.

by andyroth on Apr 29, 2008 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If that were the case

I would’ve stopped rooting for the Yankees in the mid to late 60’s or in the 80’s to early 90’s. I’m just not going to continue to root for a team with 3 idiots at the helm.

by andyroth on Apr 28, 2008 2:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

All joking and grading aside

how about the pitching around the American League yesterday? Wang pitches a beautiful 7 innings, and Sabathia counters with 8 innings of great baseball. Shields shuts downs Boston, and Beckett only lets in one earned run and strikes out 5 batters in the first two innings.

I guess its one of those days that confirms what we already knew, wins for a pitcher don’t mean anything. All four of those guys gave a performance that should line their team up to win the game. Its always impressive to see pitchers shut down the opposing offense but all four of the teams have good to great offenses.

Crowds are won and lost and won again, but our hearts beat for the diehards.

by Edwantsacracker on Apr 28, 2008 10:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Wins don't mean anything and

I honestly believe we’re on the brink of an era with better starters. The last generation of pitchers had 5 lock for the Hall guys: Maddux, Clemens (now a ?), Pedro, Glavine, and Johnson, a couple of borderline guys and then a big dropoff of mediocre guys who had one or two great seasons.
The new generation has to make good on its potential, of course, but it seems like there are about a dozen guys under 27 who could reach superstardom (if not quite Madduxdom).

Shield and Kazmir in Tampa. Hughes and Joba in NY. Buchholtz and Beckett in Boston. Jesse Litsch in Toronto. John Danks in Chicago. Sabathia and Carmona in Cleveland. Zack Greinke in KC. Liriano in Min. King Felix in Seattle.

Part of the shift is economic; team’s realize the cost and value of good starting pitching, so they’re devoting more resources to drafting and training starters. Plus, medical advances will keep more of those guys on the field than would have been possible 20 years ago.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Apr 28, 2008 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Easy, kemosabe

I think you may be right about the next era of great arms, but to lump Hughes and Joba in the mix is just alittle premature, in my opinion. But don’t get me wrong. I’d love to see it, and believe it might happen—someday (like when Joba gets out of the pen). Here’s the young guns I see framing the new era: Santana, Beckett, Peavy, Webb, Oswalt, Lincecum, Sabathia, Carmona, Verlander, Bonderman, Olsen, Grienke, Shields, Felix the Cat, Wang, Kazmir…

There’s more, but I contend that between 8-10 of these guys have 200+ seasons.

"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will

by Ronster22 on Apr 29, 2008 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hughes and Maddux

That’s your attempt at humor of course. Anybody who wants to mention any of these pitchers in the same breath at Maddux better go back and clearly look at how tremendous he was.

by andyroth on Apr 29, 2008 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh yes

He was tremendous at age 21 (Hughes’ age) when he went 6-14 with a 5.61ERA and a 1.64 WHIP, making 27 starts and averaging 5.2 innings per start. It’s his K:BB that really wows me: 101:74.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Apr 29, 2008 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I disagree about Bonderman

Not after his total collapse last season and he’s still struggling this year. As good as his stuff has been he hasn’t even put one great year together yet.

by andyroth on Apr 29, 2008 7:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs