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Game #23 - New York Yankees @ Chicago White Sox

New York Yankees at Chicago White Sox, Apr 24, 2008 8:11 PM EDT


NEW YORK YANKEES

Johnny Damon,  DH
Derek Jeter,  SS
Bobby Abreu,  RF
Hideki Matsui,  LF
Morgan Ensberg,  3B
Robinson Cano,  2B
Jason Giambi,  1B
Melky Cabrera,  CF
Jose Molina,  C

 


W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
Phil Hughes 0-3 4 4 0 0 0 0 16.1 25 17 16 0 10 10 8.82 2.14

 

CHICAGO WHITE SOX

Nick Swisher,  CF
Orlando Cabrera,  SS
Jim Thome,  DH
Paul Konerko,  1B
Jermaine Dye,  RF
A.J. Pierzynski,  C
Carlos Quentin,  LF
Joe Crede,  3B
Alexei Ramirez,  2B

 


W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
Gavin Floyd 2-0 3 3 0 0 0 0 19.1 9 5 3 2 8 10 1.40 .88

 

Pregame notes:

The Yanks haven’t swept the ChiSox in Chicago since May of 2002. 

Who were the winning pitchers for the Yanks that series?  Well, silly, everyone knows it was Mike Thurman, Ted Lilly, and Steve Karsay.

Alex Rodriguez is back with the team but out of the lineup for the third consecutive game with the strained quad.  He is not expected back in the lineup until tomorrow at the earliest (as a DH).  Meanwhile, his replacement, Morgan Ensberg moves up to the fifth slot in the lineup and Jorge Posada gets the night off to rest after a stellar night at the plate last night. 

Brian Bruney sustained a sprained foot when he attempted to cover first base on Tuesday night.  His MRI results were forwarded to NY and there’s a very good chance he’s headed to the DL.  My hope right now is the potential absence of Bruney could open the door for Ohlendorf to pitch in some pressure situations as opposed to his current long man/mop up role.

Phil Hughes makes his first career start against the ChiSox. 

Gavin Floyd makes his first career start against the Yanks but did get hammered in his lone previous appearance in relief on July 31, 2007 (3.0 IP, 6 H, 5 ER, 3 HR).  Yanks career numbers vs. Floyd can be viewed here.

Johnny Damon is now 7 for 14 in his last three games with 2 HR, 2 doubles, 7 RBI, and 7 runs scored.  Ed Price takes Damon’s production a step further and highlights some rather astonishing numbers since his arrival to the Bronx:

How important is (streaky) Johnny Damon to the Yankees offense?

Since he joined the team for the 2006 season, the Yankees are 102-50 [.671] when he reaches base safely two or more times. Otherwise, they are 101-93 [.521]. 

When Damon scores a run, the Yankees are 117-42 [.736!].”

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"The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided." -Casey Stengel

by bxgrl1 on Apr 24, 2008 9:21 PM EDT reply actions  

watching it on

WGN. Plenty of walks, this inning.

by NYinCalifornia on Apr 24, 2008 9:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Floyd has been good this season

but he’s gotten away with plenty of walks in his first three starts.

by anaconda on Apr 24, 2008 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not this time

This half of the inning’s gotta hurt.

by NYinCalifornia on Apr 24, 2008 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm here...

and just wondering when SBN was going to turn the lights on.

by anaconda on Apr 24, 2008 9:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Bout time they got back online.

I was really hoping to read all the “Moose will blow it…now…okay, now….okay, now…” comments.

by mrljdavid on Apr 24, 2008 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not about control

it’s about movement and he doesn’t have any.

;)

"The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided." -Casey Stengel

by bxgrl1 on Apr 24, 2008 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

hilarious

I’m going between The Office and the game. Ryan has developed a coke habit. :)

"The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided." -Casey Stengel

by bxgrl1 on Apr 24, 2008 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I set the DVR for The Office

It’s about time to switch back to the game now.

by anaconda on Apr 24, 2008 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yum,

I won’t get to see it for another few hours, though.

by NYinCalifornia on Apr 24, 2008 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

oops

sorry about the Ryan spoiler. :)

I lived in California. I should know this. where are you?

"The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided." -Casey Stengel

by bxgrl1 on Apr 24, 2008 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Berkeley,

where I go to school. Too many A’s and Giants fans here, I get looks for wearing Yankees gear (not the trendy baseball cap kind).

by NYinCalifornia on Apr 24, 2008 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I lived in Northern CA

during the late 90s championship seasons and I was on a bus in Berkeley (College Ave) and had a Yankee shirt on and someone said, “Oh sure…it’s easy to be a Yankee fan.” Yeah those freaking 80s it was so freaking easy.

"The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided." -Casey Stengel

by bxgrl1 on Apr 24, 2008 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw this guy pitch once

and was totally unimpressed. Ergo, Hughes is the bust of the century.

by seanp23 on Apr 24, 2008 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw him pitch a half inning once

and thought what a waste of a time this guy is. 21 years old and no Cy Young awards yet!

"The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided." -Casey Stengel

by bxgrl1 on Apr 24, 2008 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reminds me of another Casey Stengel quote

When he was with the Mets, and he had a young catcher, Chris Canzeroni (sp?), and Stengel told the reporters, “I got this young catcher, Canzeroni, and in ten years he has the potential to be thirty.”

by mrljdavid on Apr 24, 2008 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

HAH!

"The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided." -Casey Stengel

by bxgrl1 on Apr 24, 2008 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Abreu continues

the hot hitting – he wants that big contract!

by docgonzo on Apr 24, 2008 9:28 PM EDT reply actions  

velocity?

"The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided." -Casey Stengel

by bxgrl1 on Apr 24, 2008 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorry I meant that to anaconda's post

"The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided." -Casey Stengel

by bxgrl1 on Apr 24, 2008 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

According to GameDay....

Hughes is hitting 94 on the gun consistently and hit 95 a couple of times.

by anaconda on Apr 24, 2008 9:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Okay, this really sucks

Hughes was looking good and now a flippin’ rain delay. This kid can’t catch a break.

If the delay last much more than 30 minutes, he’s burned for the night.

by anaconda on Apr 24, 2008 9:34 PM EDT reply actions  

how bad is this rain?

Kansas City rain? Light mist?

Weather prognosis?

by mrljdavid on Apr 24, 2008 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not raining that hard

I’m about 25 miles Southeast of The Cell and it’s not raining here. We usually get Chicago rain within an hour after they get it.

by anaconda on Apr 24, 2008 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was thinking the can't catch a break thing

when the delay started

"The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided." -Casey Stengel

by bxgrl1 on Apr 24, 2008 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good....

It looks like this won’t be a long delay. Maybe 30-40 minutes.

by anaconda on Apr 24, 2008 9:50 PM EDT reply actions  

So much for that....

the tarp has been put on back. That sucks. Ohlendorf is gonna have to pitch 3 innings again tonight.

by anaconda on Apr 24, 2008 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re:

His arm isn’t conditioned to throw a lot of these 3 inning stints and it’s starting to wear on him. If Joba was getting worked like that people would be on Girardi for abusing the kid.

by anaconda on Apr 24, 2008 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Regarding Damon

Those are interesting numbers, but I wonder if they’re not self-fulfilling somehow. Wouldn’t a team to much better if any player in the lineup got on base twice in a game? My guess is that you’d see a similar spread if you did the same analysis for Jeter, or Giambi, or Cano or Cabrera.

by Jugwine on Apr 24, 2008 10:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Perhaps....

It’s also a lot easier to score when you have two Hall of Famers hitting behind you and Abreu as well.

by anaconda on Apr 24, 2008 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

With Giambi in the lineup

The Yankees are .664 when he gets on base two or more times and .452 when he does not since 2006 (the same time period).

It’s not surprising, since he’s a middle-of-the-lineup hitter, but that’s a bigger spread that Damon.

by Jugwine on Apr 24, 2008 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can I get a platinum star?

Robinson Cano’s numbers are almost Identical to Giambi’s:
.683 when he gets on base twice or more
.467 when he does not.

by Jugwine on Apr 24, 2008 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sweet!

Maybe this is worth turning into a post. It’s shaping up to be a long game…

by Jugwine on Apr 24, 2008 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was

watching South Park it reminded me that I needed to come back to here.

Cartman: “That’s okay Butters. It’s not your fault you’re a douche bag.”

"The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided." -Casey Stengel

by bxgrl1 on Apr 24, 2008 10:26 PM EDT reply actions  

that's what I'm saying

:)

"The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided." -Casey Stengel

by bxgrl1 on Apr 24, 2008 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

That sucks

I’m bummed about Hughes.

He was looking good and now Ohlendorf is going to be burned for the next several days. Sigh.

by anaconda on Apr 24, 2008 10:31 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree

did they say why phil wasn’t coming back out? floyd’s back out

"The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided." -Casey Stengel

by bxgrl1 on Apr 24, 2008 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because of his experiences (and some blame) for what happened with the young arms in Florida, Girardi is now really scared to do it again.

I don’t blame Girardi. It sucks now but if Hughes came up lame (related to the rain delay or not), he’d get massacred by the NY media.

by anaconda on Apr 24, 2008 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I could be wrong...

but I think Rasner is going to get the promotion and become the long man if Bruney goes on the DL.

by anaconda on Apr 24, 2008 10:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Why is Arod there

if he’s not playing? Wouldn’t he want to be home with Cynthia and baby?

"The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided." -Casey Stengel

by bxgrl1 on Apr 24, 2008 10:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Actually, based on last year in Toronto

seems like he’d want to be meeting various strippers on the road.

by mrljdavid on Apr 24, 2008 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

they used Rivera for five innings?

wow. That was some workout Mo!

"The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided." -Casey Stengel

by bxgrl1 on Apr 24, 2008 10:55 PM EDT reply actions  

no, it was five outs last night

See what happens when the blog goes down for technical difficutlies?

by mrljdavid on Apr 24, 2008 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was commenting

on what Kay said. He said Mariano pitched 5 innings last night. I knew it was 5 outs.

"The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided." -Casey Stengel

by bxgrl1 on Apr 24, 2008 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

he also said

that last double was to LEFT field

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by NumberSeven on Apr 24, 2008 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

but

you did think that I thought Mo pitched for 5 innings.

"The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided." -Casey Stengel

by bxgrl1 on Apr 24, 2008 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah, I have too much respect for you - figured something was up.

Plus it was a way to point out how ignorant we could be without the pleasure of all this shared company, plus the joy of andyroth too.

by mrljdavid on Apr 24, 2008 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ohlendorf sure looks like

Teh suck tonight.

Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier. The cigars taste better. The trees are greener. --Billy Martin

by garp on Apr 24, 2008 10:58 PM EDT reply actions  

oy

so much for the advantage over cleveland with them playing two today… at this point the yanks are going to use two games worth of arms tonight.

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by NumberSeven on Apr 24, 2008 11:00 PM EDT reply actions  

baby them to death

I can understand if it was an hour and a half delay, but throw out Hughes to pitch…If Floyd can pitch then why not Phil?

by John Amato on Apr 24, 2008 11:00 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree

Phil should have gone back out with the bullpen being so taxed.

"The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided." -Casey Stengel

by bxgrl1 on Apr 24, 2008 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

have they said anything?

maybe he stiffened up or something?

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by NumberSeven on Apr 24, 2008 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Morgan's gotta go

I’ve never seen a stiffer swing.

by John Amato on Apr 24, 2008 11:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Diagree completely

I like having Ensberg on the team.

by anaconda on Apr 24, 2008 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why

did Hughes not go back out there? CWS sent their starter back out. Why couldn’t we?

by docgonzo on Apr 24, 2008 11:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Because Girardi is overcompensating after what happened with the young arms in Florida and the infamous rain delay a couple of years ago.

by anaconda on Apr 24, 2008 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kay criticizing Abreu

for not catching the ball. I was surprised that he even mentioned that Bobby is a horrible fielder. But offensively he’s been really good.

by John Amato on Apr 24, 2008 11:03 PM EDT reply actions  

hawkins

ick

"The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided." -Casey Stengel

by bxgrl1 on Apr 24, 2008 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Traber?

He faced only one batter last night, I think. Gave up a hit, of course.

by docgonzo on Apr 24, 2008 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let me state the obvious

Pulling Hughes was an incredibly stupid move by Girardi.

by docgonzo on Apr 24, 2008 11:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Not stupid.... gun shy

he’s afraid of Hughes getting hurt. I guess he feels it’s better to lose him for one game than a trip to the DL or worse.

by anaconda on Apr 24, 2008 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

It lacked foresight

He’s taxing the bullpen right before a series against a good hitting team. If our starters get hit, it’ll be a rough three games.

by docgonzo on Apr 24, 2008 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

which makes me wonder if phil stiffened up or something..

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by NumberSeven on Apr 24, 2008 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

probably preemptive

god knows Phil wants to pitch a good game. What if he goes out there and tries to be the hero and pitch when he really shouldnt.

by seanp23 on Apr 24, 2008 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

But rain delays

happen all the time. They have contingency plans for this kind of thing, right – ways to keep him warmed up in the dugout so he doesn’t get hurt?

by docgonzo on Apr 24, 2008 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Im sure

but my point is, Phil being a young guy who has struggled recently, with all this pressure to be “the franchise” might try to do to much after a significant delay and tweak something and try to muscle through it and make things worse. Also, while it sucks today, these are innings he can pitch later in the season that he might not have been able to.

by seanp23 on Apr 24, 2008 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it was a veteran like Wang or Pettitte

he would have gone back out there. But not a 21-yr old kid who is one of the top prospects in the game right now.

by anaconda on Apr 24, 2008 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

also

he’s got no movement.

by seanp23 on Apr 24, 2008 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nobody on

I guess it’s late.

A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)

by Cbeck3 on Apr 24, 2008 11:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Hawkins up

Look at the bright side – maybe he can get his ERA into single digits.

by docgonzo on Apr 24, 2008 11:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I try to remain optimistic

I really do. But it’s hard as hell with this bullpen.

by docgonzo on Apr 24, 2008 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man, and he's so close

10.03 after his two innings. If he doesn’t throw that gopher ball, hello 9 point something ERA.

by mrljdavid on Apr 24, 2008 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's already official

home teams winning.. only need four and half complete

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by NumberSeven on Apr 24, 2008 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Crap...i'd forgotten that aspect...

Don’t suppose we could go with golf rules – lose all the balls and have to go home?

by mrljdavid on Apr 24, 2008 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would have liked to see Hughes come out

but I can’t blame Girardi for not taking the chance. Hughes is too important to this franchise to gamble like that.

His experience in Florida has really changed how he’s managing young arms with the Yanks.

by anaconda on Apr 24, 2008 11:24 PM EDT reply actions  

OMG - Cano?

Is he ever going to get going?

by JARNJ3 on Apr 24, 2008 11:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks

Been lurking. Haven’t had anything to say yet.. LOL
But – Cano’s average shocked me tonight – I’ve been mostly paying more attn to the primaries….....

by JARNJ3 on Apr 24, 2008 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

slappy??

i know guy here aren’t huge melky fans.. but i like the guy..

bxgrl’s with me i think

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by NumberSeven on Apr 24, 2008 11:27 PM EDT reply actions  

speaking of shirts

Does it drive anyone esle absolutely nuts to see Yankee fans wearing jerseys with names on the back?
Not the T-shirts, because I have a ton of those, but actual jerseys. Are you kidding me?

by seanp23 on Apr 24, 2008 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll fess up to owning one

BUT it was a gift from an ex-girlfriend.

by mrljdavid on Apr 24, 2008 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

did you ever try to rip the name out?

always wondered if it could be done without ruining the jersey

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by NumberSeven on Apr 24, 2008 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope

The benefit of it is that it’s a Jeter shirt, and the only thing that sets off my students up here in the Boston suburbs more than a Yankees shirt is a Jeter shirt.

by mrljdavid on Apr 24, 2008 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

as long as you didnt pay for it yourself

they cost about the same as the nameless ones right?

by seanp23 on Apr 24, 2008 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess...gotta go to Mo's and find out.

I’ll take my check for cheap advertising/name dropping now, thanks.

by mrljdavid on Apr 24, 2008 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice

loaded up for Giambi.

by docgonzo on Apr 24, 2008 11:51 PM EDT reply actions  

C'mon Giambi...

If Cano can get a walk, surely you can get a hit.

by mrljdavid on Apr 24, 2008 11:51 PM EDT reply actions  

What are the odds.....

Farnsworth pitches a scoreless 7th?

5-1?

10-1?

20-1?

by anaconda on Apr 24, 2008 11:55 PM EDT reply actions  

I resent the ChiSox...

for using a classic song like “Back in Black” by AC/DC in their white trash ballpark.

by anaconda on Apr 24, 2008 11:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Well

color me impressed. 12 pitches – 8 for strikes – and he gets through relatively unscathed.

by docgonzo on Apr 25, 2008 12:01 AM EDT reply actions  

AC/DC is my all-time favorite band...

and I hate the White Sox just as much as I hate the Red Sox.

I’ve hated them for 30 years and everything about them.

Okay, rant over.

by anaconda on Apr 25, 2008 12:02 AM EDT reply actions  

Oops...

that was meant for mrljdavid.

by anaconda on Apr 25, 2008 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

No idea

He probably had a big case or something. He used to comment on RAB as well, but hasn’t done that in months.

by anaconda on Apr 25, 2008 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

He knows aroth

In fact, he emailed Amato about banning him last Fall. Ha ha.

by anaconda on Apr 25, 2008 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hear ya.

In our wrestling room, AC/DC is the team’s soundtrack. “Thunderstruck” is the way to go.

How about the Sox using some polka music instead? Honor those of Polish heritage and pump up the crowd at the same time….

by mrljdavid on Apr 25, 2008 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Classic Hawk....

Complaining about the umps on the WGN broadcast. It never fails. They bitch about the umps almost every game.

by anaconda on Apr 25, 2008 12:05 AM EDT reply actions  

yeah

crede lobbed that one over to first.. no worries.

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by NumberSeven on Apr 25, 2008 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

atta boy jeet..

let’s get some runs and close thing out.. i gotta go to bed

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by NumberSeven on Apr 25, 2008 12:19 AM EDT reply actions  

*Pierzynski

*nicer guy.

enough beer for the night….

by seanp23 on Apr 25, 2008 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

The fact

he actually enjoys being the most annoying guy in the league makes me hate him even more.

by docgonzo on Apr 25, 2008 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

RISP

The bane of the ‘08 Yankees.

by docgonzo on Apr 25, 2008 12:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Best case scenario

is Joba pitches a scoreless 9th and Mo comes in to get a save in the 10th.

I hesitate to ask what happens if this game goes beyond that.

by anaconda on Apr 25, 2008 12:34 AM EDT reply actions  

Curve happyt

I mean what the heck is he doing…He’s going to get beat every once in a while, but why so many curves tonight?

by John Amato on Apr 25, 2008 12:43 AM EDT reply actions  

That's what you get when you baby Hughes

Baseball Tonight praised Girardi after he pulled him after two. Joba shouldn’t have had to throw two innings again so soon…

by John Amato on Apr 25, 2008 12:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Coudn't disagree more

All big pitching prospects are babied these days. That’s just the nature of the beast.

Girardi shouldn’t risk and gamble on Hughes’ health. It sucks that it happened, but I don’t blame Girardi for doing it.

I hate to think what could’ve happened if Girardi had rolled the dice and Hughes hurt himself. Yankee fans and the media would have come after Girardi with knives.

by anaconda on Apr 25, 2008 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

We had our chances

in the 8th and 9th to put it away.

by docgonzo on Apr 25, 2008 12:45 AM EDT reply actions  

We're just a couple of players short

Cashman has time. Do you think they could pry away Oswalt from Houston after they collapse again?

by John Amato on Apr 25, 2008 12:48 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm not sure there isn't something wrong with Oswalt

His numbers have been in decline the couple of years and he hasn’t looked great so far.

I wouldn’t trade for Oswalt. One can only imagine what Houston would ask in return.

by anaconda on Apr 25, 2008 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

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