Game #21 - New York Yankees @ Chicago White Sox
by anaconda on Apr 22, 2008 7:00 PM EDT
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New York Yankees at Chicago White Sox, Apr 22, 2008 8:11 PM EDT
NEW YORK YANKEES
Johnny
Damon, LF
Derek Jeter, SS
Bobby Abreu, RF
Hideki Matsui, DH
Jorge Posada, C
Robinson Cano, 2B
Jason Giambi, 1B
Morgan Ensberg, 3B
Melky Cabrera, CF
CHICAGO WHITE SOX
Nick Swisher, CF
Orlando Cabrera, SS
Jim Thome, DH
Paul Konerko, 1B
Jermaine Dye, RF
A.J. Pierzynski, C
Carlos Quentin, LF
Joe Crede, 3B
Juan Uribe, SS
First off, congratulations to C-Rod and A-Rod for the birth of their yet-to-be-named baby girl last night. Hmmm, two girls? How is A-Rod going to afford those weddings?
As for tonight's game, as expected, A-Rod is out of the lineup and has been replaced by Morgan Ensberg. Pete Abe speculates that A-Rod could be back in the lineup as early as Thursday.
Jorge Posada gets the start behind the plate tonight for the first time since April 8th and you can bet your @ss that the ChiSox base runners will test his shoulder right away. I certainly would.
Jose Contreras is a lifetime 2-4, 3.96 ERA ERA in 6 starts against the Yanks, but has lost his last four starts against them (6.08 ERA, 1.35 WHIP).
Chien-Ming Wang is a lifetime 2-0, 2.57 ERA in 3 starts against the White Sox, including a complete game 5-1 victory on June 6th of last season.
Yanks' career numbers vs. Contreras can be viewed here. White Sox career numbers vs. Wang can be viewed here.
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I get to listen to Hawk Harrelson for the next three days. Sigh.
As bad as Michael Kay is, he’s Mel Allen by comparison.
by anaconda on Apr 22, 2008 8:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Word
Nice to see Damon lead off with a hit for a change.
by docgonzo on Apr 22, 2008 8:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hawk just had a Cone moment...
They [Sox] need to make Wang get it up.”
by anaconda on Apr 22, 2008 8:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm only half paying attention
and I feel like I’ve already heard a lot of jibberish. If you let your hitters swing 3-0, you’ll get a lot more walks? The Red Sox won their division in 2004?
by Jugwine on Apr 22, 2008 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
See that?
Going to the opposite field can only help Giambi’s hitting.
by anaconda on Apr 22, 2008 8:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Our wish has been granted.
Long live Giambi!
by Rusty23 on Apr 22, 2008 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, almost anything you say with Wang's name in it
can be interpreted as raunchy.
That said, nice timely K. Now let’s get out of this inning.
by mrljdavid on Apr 22, 2008 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn...
I’ve never seen that in my life. The bat must’ve had a crack in it and broke in half on the swing.
by anaconda on Apr 22, 2008 9:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
did you know
that the nickname “the windy city” has nothing to do with the weather?
by seanp23 on Apr 22, 2008 9:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Legend has it
that the name came from Chicago once holding the world’s fair and there was so much overblown blather from politicians about it that it was called the “Windy City.”
But the name now does refer to the winds off Lake Michigan.
by anaconda on Apr 22, 2008 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+2
but dont you live in chicago? so -1
by seanp23 on Apr 22, 2008 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not for living in chicago
but for having an unfair advantage
by seanp23 on Apr 22, 2008 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey, you asked
You didn’t say a Chicagoland native can’t answer the question.
by anaconda on Apr 22, 2008 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha thats why
I didnt deduct 2 points.
by seanp23 on Apr 22, 2008 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boy
It was nice to see Robbie break through
"You play the game to win the game, and not to worry about what's on the back of the baseball card at the end of the year." - Paul O'Neill
by yankee come lately on Apr 22, 2008 9:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm starting to like the O'Neill/Cone tandem
in the broadcast booth. Sans Michael Kay of course.
by bronxbound on Apr 22, 2008 9:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
love o'neil
he brings so much more from the batters perspective than Singleton does.
by seanp23 on Apr 22, 2008 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like all of the YES announcers
for the exception of Kay. I thought David Justice sucked, but he’s gone now.
by anaconda on Apr 22, 2008 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont dislike Singleton
I just think O’neil is better. Probably because he hasnt been in the booth with Kay as long and doesnt seem to want to do play by play as much.
by seanp23 on Apr 22, 2008 10:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Over 100 pitches
We really need to get the offense going.
Get some pressure off the staff.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
by Cbeck3 on Apr 22, 2008 10:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Time for some offense
Let’s get Wang this win he has been battling
by bronxbound on Apr 22, 2008 10:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good match-up for Bobby
needs to come through
"You play the game to win the game, and not to worry about what's on the back of the baseball card at the end of the year." - Paul O'Neill
by yankee come lately on Apr 22, 2008 10:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
oooooooooooohhh bobby!!
You don't realize how easy this game is until you get up in that broadcasting booth. -Mickey Mantle
by NumberSeven on Apr 22, 2008 10:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that discussion
between O”neil and Cone during Jeters at bat was awesome…...................................as was Bobby’s shot!!!!
by seanp23 on Apr 22, 2008 10:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Care to summarize
for us out-of-town viewers?
by Jugwine on Apr 22, 2008 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oneil
was talking about how frustrating it is to get a borderline call 1-0 to make it 1-1 instead of 2-0 and how it affects the at bat and cone sort of gave the counter point. I Like Oneil because he still shows his frustration even in the booth. It was a borderline pitch (probably a strike anyway) but as a hitter Oneil wants that called a ball and wants the count 2-0 and he talked about how much that changes an at bat.
by seanp23 on Apr 22, 2008 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As if on cue
"You play the game to win the game, and not to worry about what's on the back of the baseball card at the end of the year." - Paul O'Neill
by yankee come lately on Apr 22, 2008 10:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Abreu
The ball must be really carrying out to LF because I didn’t think there was a chance that ball was going out.
I thought it was a routine fly ball off the bat.
by anaconda on Apr 22, 2008 10:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you can put it on the board my friend
You don't realize how easy this game is until you get up in that broadcasting booth. -Mickey Mantle
by NumberSeven on Apr 22, 2008 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best part about it
was the dead silence from the Sox announcers.
(Okay, the four runs were the best part about it, shutting those homers up was a close second)
by Jugwine on Apr 22, 2008 10:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Homer announcers don't bother me because every team has homer announcers
It’s just that these guys just flat out suck and have the most annoying schtick in MLB.
- Grab some bench!
- You can put it on the BOOOOAAAAAARRRDD…..
- That’s a can of corn
- Duck snort
- That’s a hang whiff ‘em
It goes on and on….
by anaconda on Apr 22, 2008 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank your lucky stars
for michael kay
You don't realize how easy this game is until you get up in that broadcasting booth. -Mickey Mantle
by NumberSeven on Apr 22, 2008 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont know
If I’d go that far. More like choose the lesser of two evils.
by seanp23 on Apr 22, 2008 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Radio side
Just got home. Had to listen to Ed Farmer and Steve Stone on the radio. I never really had to listen to them before. I’ve always liked Stoney but Ed Farmer..Wow! What a piss-baby. All he does is cry. “Yankees spend money, wah-wah-wah.” Do you know how much they pay this guy? Wah-wah-wah.” “That looked like a strike. Jeter will always get that call.” Ugh.
by Rusty23 on Apr 22, 2008 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Steve Stone
I didn’t know Stone did the ChiSox games. I loved Stone when he was announcing for the Cubs with Harry Caray.
One of the top color men in the business, IMO.
by anaconda on Apr 22, 2008 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Started this year.
He really does his homework. Excellent analysis. Very weird hearing him do a Sox game though.
by Rusty23 on Apr 22, 2008 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, Octavio Dotel
Glad we got rid of you…
by mrljdavid on Apr 22, 2008 10:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
SBN question-
anybody else getting some weird views on the comments.. every now and then i have to scroll up and down to view a single comment- like it has it’s own scroll bar
You don't realize how easy this game is until you get up in that broadcasting booth. -Mickey Mantle
by NumberSeven on Apr 22, 2008 10:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
internet explorer...
it only happens sometimes.. like every fourth comment or so… and it just started happening on sunday.. never happened before that
You don't realize how easy this game is until you get up in that broadcasting booth. -Mickey Mantle
by NumberSeven on Apr 22, 2008 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what version of IE?
They’ve been having some problems with IE 6.
by anaconda on Apr 22, 2008 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah.. still on 6
not a huge deal… just a minor annoyance
You don't realize how easy this game is until you get up in that broadcasting booth. -Mickey Mantle
by NumberSeven on Apr 22, 2008 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep...that's why
IE 7 works okay under the new platform.
by anaconda on Apr 22, 2008 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get that with Safari
sometimes, especially on MLB.com’s stat pages. Weird.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
by jscape2000 on Apr 22, 2008 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Michael kAY:
the yankees have revealed their ultimate plan; Joba Chaberlain is going to become a starter at some point…
Are we the only ones who have been paying attention since last year? How is this news to people?
by seanp23 on Apr 22, 2008 10:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Joba
The media did the same thing in March when Joba was moved back to the pen after making a few starts in ST.
Everyone and their mother knew that was the plan back in November of last season but the media reported the move like it was breaking news or something.
by anaconda on Apr 22, 2008 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its incredible
I dont get it at all. Its like everyone, but those who’s decisions that matter, has this thing up for debate.
by seanp23 on Apr 22, 2008 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey lets put Farnsworth in the rotation
just for shits and giggles.
by bronxbound on Apr 22, 2008 10:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great
The Old Bruney showed up tonight
by docgonzo on Apr 22, 2008 10:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dear Brian Bruney
Please, let’s have more of 2008 Bruney and less of 2007 Bruney.
by Jugwine on Apr 22, 2008 10:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How pathetic is Ozzie Guillen?
Abreu is much worse against lefties but let’s Dotel pitch to him rather than Thornton?
by andyroth on Apr 22, 2008 10:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why argue it?
I say let him be pathetic, if that’s the result.
by docgonzo on Apr 22, 2008 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
absolutely
what good is he if its 7-6 in the 8th?
by seanp23 on Apr 22, 2008 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My question was geared to
all the people that want him in the rotation. You wouldn’t have this luxury then. I myself am on the fence about the whole situation.
by bronxbound on Apr 22, 2008 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
true that
then we go back to whining about the lack of a good set-up man.
by mrljdavid on Apr 22, 2008 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All I know is
if Moose, Hughes, and Kennedy had been better to this point, there would be no debate right now.
by bronxbound on Apr 22, 2008 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be a debate for me
I’ve been on the Joba in the rotation argument since his major league debut.
by anaconda on Apr 22, 2008 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question
if he gets him swinging on a breaking ball that jorge cant handle, can he just step on home plate rather than throw down to first?
by seanp23 on Apr 22, 2008 11:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No...
the hitter can’t run with a man on 1B.
by anaconda on Apr 22, 2008 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
with 2 out he can
You don't realize how easy this game is until you get up in that broadcasting booth. -Mickey Mantle
by NumberSeven on Apr 22, 2008 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to be that guy
But here we go again.
The best word to use for Bruney is “unreliable”. I don’t think anyone says “whew” when he enters a game.
Farnsworth stinks most of the time, not that he did anything wrong tonight besides occupy a roster spot.
How does Girardi not know this? Why does he keep trusting these guys? If you believe Hank and Cash he is gonna have one less safety valve later this summer. He really should be using this time to audition new people to get late inning big outs. The Yanks are gonna need another “whew” guy.
I’d like to see him give Ohlendorf a shot in these spots.
"Well, that kind of puts a damper on even a Yankees win."
-- Phil Rizzuto after hearing about the Pope's death
by matthaggs on Apr 22, 2008 11:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
cart before the horse
All this is irrelevant if its 10-2 in the 7th because the starter stinks.
by seanp23 on Apr 22, 2008 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chickens and eggs....
we can go around and around on this one.
by mrljdavid on Apr 22, 2008 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're missing the point.
There are going to be games like this when Joba leaves the bullpen.
Bruney has pretty much proven he cannot be trusted. Ditto Farnsworth.
While he does have the big safety valve in Joba, Girardi should be trying out other people for the role.
Bruney and Farns have more than proven they cannot handle the job on anything close to a consistent basis. Can we all agree on this?
"Well, that kind of puts a damper on even a Yankees win."
-- Phil Rizzuto after hearing about the Pope's death
by matthaggs on Apr 22, 2008 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You've given up on 2008 Bruney already?
by bronxbound on Apr 22, 2008 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was no fan of Bruney in the first place
I just don’t think losing 20 lbs is going to change his track record of unreliability.
by anaconda on Apr 22, 2008 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
He’s skinnier and has longer hair, but when there’s the slightest hint of pressure he’s the same dude: he loses the strike zone completely.
And he got very lucky against Dye. O’Neill was salivating at the hanger he threw him on the first pitch.
"Well, that kind of puts a damper on even a Yankees win."
-- Phil Rizzuto after hearing about the Pope's death
by matthaggs on Apr 22, 2008 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
I think it’s too early to give up on this guy. Farnsworth yes, Bruney not yet.
by bronxbound on Apr 22, 2008 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not giving up on him
Just saying he’s not very reliable in big spots.
by anaconda on Apr 22, 2008 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who is?
In the major leagues, there are maybe ten high quality arms not closing games- and that’s if you count the injured guys like Zumaya. It’s a matter of the manager being on top of his team enough to know who is the hot hand, rather than trying to establish roles for the relievers.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
by jscape2000 on Apr 22, 2008 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
I’d have more faith in Bruney if he just threw more strikes. The walks just drive me nuts.
by anaconda on Apr 22, 2008 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Relievers need roles
I think they need to have some general of idea of when they will pitch during the game.
There is a mental aspect to relief pitching – especially toward the end of the game – that needs to be accounted for.
Going with the hot hand is the surest way to blow a game, Ozzie Guillen did it tonight as a matter of fact.
"Well, that kind of puts a damper on even a Yankees win."
-- Phil Rizzuto after hearing about the Pope's death
by matthaggs on Apr 22, 2008 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
it’s cause I’m not a world class athlete (hell, I’m not a varsity athlete), but “going with the hot hand is the surest way to blow a game” makes no sense to me.
I understand the guys want to know how they’re likely to be used, but they prepare to face the same hitters, and they go out there to succeed no matter what inning it is.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
by jscape2000 on Apr 22, 2008 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
Farnsworth could get the next 40 hitters out, I would still have no confidence in his ability to get the 41st out.
Scott Proctor was by most accounts an effective reliever while he was here. There were several occasions however, when for whatever reason he was called upon in the 9th inning to close out a game, and he pooped all over himself every time. He just couldn’t handle it.
Bruney has shown that he stinks if the game or the situation is remotely important. He can get out all the hitters he wants to in the 5th or 6th inning. I’d still rather not see him in the 8th inning with the game on the line.
"Well, that kind of puts a damper on even a Yankees win."
-- Phil Rizzuto after hearing about the Pope's death
by matthaggs on Apr 23, 2008 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the later innings
I believe a pitcher can let it creep into his head that if he throws a bad pitch the game could be over.
The successful relievers feed off this. The not so successful ones grip the ball a little tighter, can’t throw a quality strike, and give up big walks and big hits.
In the fifth or sixth inning if you give up a run or two, there’s still time to overcome it on the offensive side. A lot less pressure.
"Well, that kind of puts a damper on even a Yankees win."
-- Phil Rizzuto after hearing about the Pope's death
by matthaggs on Apr 23, 2008 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Total agreement
but I really want to trust Bruney….He’s thinner, better attitude…just gotta be consistent.
by mrljdavid on Apr 22, 2008 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Girardi
seems to have found that guy in Ohlendorf. If/when he gets tired out, Bruney and Farnsworth will have to be those guys. Since they wont be relied on day in and day out, hopefully they can pull it together. Is this wishful thinking? maybe, but I remember booing the hell out of Weathers and Lloyd in the beginning of ‘96, too.
by seanp23 on Apr 22, 2008 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ohlendorf will eventually be the 8th inning guy
Not a fan of Bruney at all.
by anaconda on Apr 22, 2008 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not his most dominant...
..but got the job done.
You don't realize how easy this game is until you get up in that broadcasting booth. -Mickey Mantle
by NumberSeven on Apr 22, 2008 11:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Def...
you come in with the bases loaded and only let one run in you have done your job.
Crowds are won and lost and won again, but our hearts beat for the diehards.
by Edwantsacracker on Apr 22, 2008 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't look now...
but Damon is starting to hit.
by anaconda on Apr 22, 2008 11:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That is the offense
I asked for before.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
by Cbeck3 on Apr 22, 2008 11:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Looks like
Damon wasn’t too happy with Yankee Come Lately’s post about moving him down the batting order.
by docgonzo on Apr 22, 2008 11:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nah
We’ll need Farnsworth for a couple of innings tomorrow after Mussina gets knocked out in the 4th.
by Jugwine on Apr 22, 2008 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your optimism
overwhelms me. The ChiSox are one of the least patient teams in the league- precisely the kind of team that Moose should do well against. They do have a little bit of power in Thome, Dye, and Konerko, but outside of those three, there’s no one to be frightened of.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
by jscape2000 on Apr 22, 2008 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just figure
if I go on the record now, the universe will prove me wrong later to make me look like a doofus.
by Jugwine on Apr 22, 2008 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But if Moose has not stuff he can
still get pounded
by andyroth on Apr 22, 2008 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Girardi is a moron
Why let Joba pitch the 8th with a 5 run lead and now you can’t use him tomorrow night?
by andyroth on Apr 22, 2008 11:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He needed the work
and he can be used tomorrow.
by docgonzo on Apr 22, 2008 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because
he has retards like Farnsworth who serve up dingers and walk people on 3-2 sliders with a four run lead.
Now Mo is warming up. This guy is completely useless.
"Well, that kind of puts a damper on even a Yankees win."
-- Phil Rizzuto after hearing about the Pope's death
by matthaggs on Apr 22, 2008 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HR
is completely irrelevant. The walk is more troubling.
by seanp23 on Apr 22, 2008 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only
Farnsy can make a good game painful.
by docgonzo on Apr 22, 2008 11:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't talk so badly about Farnsy
You’re going to hurt Ronster’s feelings after sticking his neck out that he would be fine this season
by andyroth on Apr 22, 2008 11:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And don't forget that Girardi said the same thing
before the season
by andyroth on Apr 23, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dude
April. Remember last April when we were all talking about whether we’d get a draft pick if we declined his option?
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
by jscape2000 on Apr 23, 2008 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Managers have to say that
Only an idiot manager would rip his own player to the media before he’s managed a single game for said team.
by anaconda on Apr 23, 2008 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He didn't have to rip him and still not say what he said
He could’ve said that when I caught him in Chicago I really liked his stuff. I just think he needs to build his confidence up a bit and he’ll be all right instead of confidently proclaiming that this guy who has sucked for 2 years here in New York would have a good season.
by andyroth on Apr 23, 2008 1:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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