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Game #11 - New York Yankees @ Boston Red Sox

New York Yankees at Boston Red Sox, Apr 11, 2008 7:05 PM EDT


New York Yankees

Melky Cabrera,  CF
Robinson Cano,  2B
Bobby Abreu,  RF

Álex Rodríguez,  3B
Hideki Matsui,  LF
Jorge Posada,  DH
Jason Giambi,  1B
Jose Molina,  C
Alberto Gonzalez,  SS

Chien-Ming Wang,  RHP  (2-0,  1.38 ERA)

 

Boston Red Sox

Coco Crisp,  CF
Dustin Pedroia,  2B
David Ortiz,  DH
Manny Ramirez,  LF
Kevin Youkilis,  3B
J.D. Drew,  RF
Jason Varitek,  C
Sean Casey,  1B
Julio Lugo,  SS

Clay Buchholz,  RHP  (0-1,  5.40 ERA)

 

Pete Abe reports (via Brian Cashman) that Derek Jeter will likely remain on the shelf until they make the trip to Tampa on Monday.  Posada could start behind the dish sometime this weekend.

Keep an eye on Robinson Cano this weekend.  Cano has the highest BA (.359) of any active opposing player at Fenway Park with at least 100 ABs.

Clay Buchholz makes his first career start against the Yanks.  Chien-Ming Wang has been up and down against the Red Sox throughout his career (5-5,  4.56 ERA in 12 games, 11 starts).

Red Sox career numbers vs. Wang can be viewed here.

Tyler Kepner posted this little interesting nugget last night he found in the Boston media notes.  For some unexplainable reason, the Yanks are just 9-21 (.300) against the Red Sox in April since 2001.  Wow, that's not good.

On the flip side, though, the Yanks have done a great job coming back year after year and taking care of business because they are 63-38 (.624) against the Red Sox from May through October during the same timespan.

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Record vs Red Sox

Year April Record (vs Bos)
2007 9-14 (1-5)
2006 13-10 (no games)
2005 10-14 (3-3)
2004 11-10 (1-7)
2003 20-6 (no games)
2002 17-10 (1-4)
2001 14-12 (3-4)

Just for fun I checked a few years farther back, and the teams didn't play each other in April from 1996-2000.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Apr 11, 2008 7:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: 2003

They had a really good rotation foursome that season with Clemens, Pettitte, Moose, and Wells.

They had some off days in April that season so the #5 starter (Weaver) didn't make many starts.

by anaconda on Apr 11, 2008 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cano changes his approach at Fenway?

I'm playing with MLB.com's Hit Tracker

In 2005 Cano had a double down either line, a single to left, 6 singles to center, a single to right, and an infield single.
15% LF, 46%CF, 31% RF.

2006, 2 doubles to left, 4 singles, a double, and a homer to center, and 3 singles and a double to right.
18% LF, 55% CF, 36% RF.

2007, 3 singles, a double and a homer to left, 3 singles, a triple and a homer to center, a single and a homer to left.
42% LF, 42% CF, 17% RF.

I'm going to leave a copy of this comment over at LoHud, maybe Pete can ask Robbie if he's changed his approach or if it's just luck.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Apr 11, 2008 7:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Freakin' Sterling

"Giambi hits it to right-center! Ah- way out! ... And Crisp makes the catch on the warning track."

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Apr 11, 2008 7:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No chance that ball was going out

It was a line drive in the gap than Crisp ran down.

by anaconda on Apr 11, 2008 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha

That's cause the game is going well. We can get quite feisty.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Apr 11, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

20 pitches

Wang looks good so far (knock wood), showing a nice range and movement on his pitches.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Apr 11, 2008 7:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Indeed

And he probably almost crapped his shorts when Manny got around early on that fastball and lined a rocket foul.

by anaconda on Apr 11, 2008 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nah

That's what he's used to with Manny and Ortiz. When he got them both out he probably shit himself.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Apr 11, 2008 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

STRUCK them both out

not really wanger's style..

You don't realize how easy this game is until you get up in that broadcasting booth. -Mickey Mantle

by NumberSeven on Apr 11, 2008 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We've been saying

for years that Wang has strike 'em out stuff as soon as he figures out how to get all his pitches working for him. I think we're seeing it- he threw a ton of sliders and changes last game.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Apr 11, 2008 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hard sinker

Wang just had so much success with that sinker that he wasn't utilizing his other pitches. Now that the league has caught up to him a bit, he's using his other pitches.

I guess he didn't want to mess with success until he was forced to change his approach.

by anaconda on Apr 11, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know

thinking about it- Gammons was on the pregame show talking about how Buchholtz normally sits around 95, but has been around 91 early in the season. He said that's been a pattern, and Buchholtz will get the velocity up as the weather warms.

How come Yankee fans have endless angst about Hughes' velocity but Gammons paints everything rosy for the Sox?

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Apr 11, 2008 7:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Is it just me

or does it seem like this series wasn't very hyped?

I mean, even up here in Boston, I didn't hear much about this series until yesterday. None of the build up that there usually is.

by mrljdavid on Apr 11, 2008 7:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I kind of felt that too

It's so early and since both teams are struggling that's not much "statement" feeling about it.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Apr 11, 2008 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ST numbers

Whose do?

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Apr 11, 2008 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They don't mean anything to vets

but they do mean a little something to kids trying to make the team (or a big impression).

Lots of boards were pointing at Wang's ST numbers as a sign he was slipping and thinking too much about his October.

by anaconda on Apr 11, 2008 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he was thinking about October

and working on those secondary pitches. So far it looks like he figured it out.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Apr 11, 2008 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

C.C.

is making me regret wanting him. I figured he'd show some wear from last season, but he's down right hideous tonight.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Apr 11, 2008 8:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I've never been too keen on Sabathia

I don't like to see $100M+ contracts to pitchers. And Sabathia's weight and long term health is a major concern for me.

by anaconda on Apr 11, 2008 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn....

Wang at 33 pitches thru 3.1 IP.

Good way to keep the pen rested.

by anaconda on Apr 11, 2008 8:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

93 MPH

Down in the zone with 7" of break. That's just not fair, but I'll take it!

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Apr 11, 2008 8:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Awesome

39 pitches thru 4.0 IP

by anaconda on Apr 11, 2008 8:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

They changed that hit

to an error. Home cooking on the road?

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Apr 11, 2008 8:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That was no error

I hate to admit it, but Kay said that they will change it back when Wang gives up a clean base hit.

by anaconda on Apr 11, 2008 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oops...

and I agree with Kay.

AAAAAGGGHHHHH!!!!! I'm ruined!

by anaconda on Apr 11, 2008 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dear Jason

You can stop sucking any time now.

by Rusty23 on Apr 11, 2008 8:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I wish they had

Gameday for Spring Training. Giambi was hitting to the opposite field, but I wonder if that was against MLB pitchers or AAA pitchers? MIght he have messed up his approach by paying attention to misleading information?

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Apr 11, 2008 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Spring training

I got to see many of the games and he was going the other way against major league starters as well as the AAA dudes. I don't understand it at all.

by Rusty23 on Apr 11, 2008 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then I think

it's just a slump.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Apr 11, 2008 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes...

One that will last the rest of his career. Put a fork in him.

by Rusty23 on Apr 11, 2008 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't I say

I would have batted Molina higher in the order?

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Apr 11, 2008 8:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Seriously

What's he doing in the lineup, besides hurting our chances to win?

by docgonzo on Apr 11, 2008 8:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Woot!

First blood!

by docgonzo on Apr 11, 2008 8:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Damn

Big missed opportunity there.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Apr 11, 2008 8:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

nice inning

three walks, one run to show for it.
meet the 2008 yankees offense.

by Clutch like Leyritz on Apr 11, 2008 8:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't like

fly balls from Wang.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Apr 11, 2008 8:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah, back to back

eek

You don't realize how easy this game is until you get up in that broadcasting booth. -Mickey Mantle

by NumberSeven on Apr 11, 2008 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Foot-mouth

I hate being right.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Apr 11, 2008 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and damn me for agreeing

bobby's even afraid of little walls

You don't realize how easy this game is until you get up in that broadcasting booth. -Mickey Mantle

by NumberSeven on Apr 11, 2008 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wang on the road

So far, he has shown he can pitch in enemy territory.

by anaconda on Apr 11, 2008 8:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The radio team

is saying our Gold Glove right fielder missed the ball.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Apr 11, 2008 8:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah.. it was definitely catchable

You don't realize how easy this game is until you get up in that broadcasting booth. -Mickey Mantle

by NumberSeven on Apr 11, 2008 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now...

That's Comedy!!!!

by Rusty23 on Apr 11, 2008 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He did

He ran up against the wall and it must have shown it's nasty sharp teeth because he missed a catchable ball.

by anaconda on Apr 11, 2008 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's weird to see drew

lighting the world on fire in the first two weeks.
he was absolutely hopeless last season.

by Clutch like Leyritz on Apr 11, 2008 8:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

4 flies

We'll find out how good Eiland is- Wang needs to make an adjustment (hard to say that when he's thrown 50 pitches, 1 run, 5 IP.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Apr 11, 2008 8:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

note to eiland

tell wanger to get the ball back down

You don't realize how easy this game is until you get up in that broadcasting booth. -Mickey Mantle

by NumberSeven on Apr 11, 2008 8:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

All that contact

was on mid-high fastballs around 93 (sinker, I'm guessing). Time to mix the pitches.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Apr 11, 2008 8:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

For all the flak Matsui gets for his defense

He's been one of the only Yankees who has been raking from the get-go.

by anaconda on Apr 11, 2008 8:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep

When he's on he's a very good hitter. When he's not he gets pull conscious.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Apr 11, 2008 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

can't seem to deliver that haymaker

but bucholz has to be close to done at this point.

by Clutch like Leyritz on Apr 11, 2008 8:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He's probably done

99 pitches.

It's been a really long time since I've seen an AL game when the starter has thrown so few pitches through 6 IP.

56 pitches through 6 IP is unreal.

by anaconda on Apr 11, 2008 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I remember

several years ago (2003?) when Maddux matched up with somebody else and both guys threw around 100 pitches and pitched complete games in under 2 hours. ESPN showed every pitch on Sports Center.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Apr 11, 2008 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Giambi

What are you doing but hurting the team?

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Apr 11, 2008 8:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dear Jason,

Thanks for not sucking this time.

by Rusty23 on Apr 11, 2008 9:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Timlin:

the slump buster!!

You don't realize how easy this game is until you get up in that broadcasting booth. -Mickey Mantle

by NumberSeven on Apr 11, 2008 9:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hmmmm

How bout a bunt to move him over?

by anaconda on Apr 11, 2008 9:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

done

You don't realize how easy this game is until you get up in that broadcasting booth. -Mickey Mantle

by NumberSeven on Apr 11, 2008 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

first one of the season?

haven't watched every pitch of every game, but i'm racking my brain trying to think of another one.

by Clutch like Leyritz on Apr 11, 2008 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There haven't been

that many runs. So that's probably the first "manufactured" run. Do they have any other sac hits at all?

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Apr 11, 2008 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cano

seems like he wants to give Bernie a run for his money for longest slow start.

by docgonzo on Apr 11, 2008 9:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't say that

I remember Jeter's 2004.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Apr 11, 2008 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like Bernie

Cano will get on a hot streak and go on a rampage for 4-6 weeks.

by anaconda on Apr 11, 2008 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pretty close

He's done that a lot since his arrival. When he's cold - he's frozen. When he's hot - he's like molten lava for a few weeks.

by anaconda on Apr 11, 2008 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

speaking of slumps

what's wrong with fatty mcfatass?

by Clutch like Leyritz on Apr 11, 2008 9:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Whatever it is

I hope it lasts all season.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Apr 11, 2008 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow....

Masterful approach to Manny. He set him up perfectly.

by anaconda on Apr 11, 2008 9:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

wooohooo

wang is filthy tonight.

by Clutch like Leyritz on Apr 11, 2008 9:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I must say...

This is as good as I've ever seen Wang pitch.

by anaconda on Apr 11, 2008 9:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You might want

to clear that with the lady first...

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Apr 11, 2008 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

now you don't have to worry

You don't realize how easy this game is until you get up in that broadcasting booth. -Mickey Mantle

by NumberSeven on Apr 11, 2008 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

javier lopez

has to be one of the worst pitchers in baseball. im not really sure why he isnt in pawtucket.

by Clutch like Leyritz on Apr 11, 2008 9:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Same reason

Farnsworth isn't in Scranton.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Apr 11, 2008 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They're talking about Youkillis

playing 3B.
He's a great 1B, but a poor 3B. Hard to believe that Giambi came up as a 3B. I want to know who was so terrible defensively at AAA that 1B and DH were taken.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Apr 11, 2008 9:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd let Wang pitch the 9th

Get Mo ready just in case.

by anaconda on Apr 11, 2008 9:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

79 pitches for Wang

I let him pitch. (with Mo or Joba ready to roll).

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Apr 11, 2008 9:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep...

that's what Girardi is going to do.

by anaconda on Apr 11, 2008 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i wouldn't mind

a few more runs here

You don't realize how easy this game is until you get up in that broadcasting booth. -Mickey Mantle

by NumberSeven on Apr 11, 2008 9:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I second that

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Apr 11, 2008 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it was Wang

I don't know when that happened but I'm sure YES will tell us soon enough.

by anaconda on Apr 11, 2008 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Has to be Wang.

Maybe Pettitte.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Apr 11, 2008 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good call fellas

Last time was against the White Sox last year. I'm sure i didn't pay attention to it since I was forced in to the Sox announcers.

by Rusty23 on Apr 11, 2008 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I completely

disagree with the bunt in this situation. Melky has been hitting well, Cano has not.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Apr 11, 2008 9:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

you and your big mouth again

You don't realize how easy this game is until you get up in that broadcasting booth. -Mickey Mantle

by NumberSeven on Apr 11, 2008 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice

Big insurance run.

by anaconda on Apr 11, 2008 9:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Milwaukee Brewers?

Did you take the wrong exit on the expressway?

by anaconda on Apr 11, 2008 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha

No...just visiting

by verno329 on Apr 11, 2008 9:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Visit all you like

Just not too many Brewers' fans come through these doors.

by anaconda on Apr 11, 2008 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Welcome

Come back and post any time.

Come on anaconda, you're getting slow on the greeting.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Apr 11, 2008 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks guys

Seems kinda nice here.

by verno329 on Apr 11, 2008 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's been quiet

We can get quite feisty.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Apr 11, 2008 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you've adopted that now

I haven't been using that greeting much lately.

by anaconda on Apr 11, 2008 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wish we could save

some of Wang's brilliance to rub on Mussina tomorrow.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Apr 11, 2008 10:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

what happens in the locker room...

stays in the locker room

You don't realize how easy this game is until you get up in that broadcasting booth. -Mickey Mantle

by NumberSeven on Apr 11, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

End it here...

Don't let Papi or Manny get a chance.

by anaconda on Apr 11, 2008 10:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yes please

You don't realize how easy this game is until you get up in that broadcasting booth. -Mickey Mantle

by NumberSeven on Apr 11, 2008 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

That might be the most dominate game I've seen by a Yankee since Moose's near perfecto.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Apr 11, 2008 10:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Anyone else

get the sense that the Yankee pitchers are secretly happy that Posada can only DH?

"Well, that kind of puts a damper on even a Yankees win."
-- Phil Rizzuto after hearing about the Pope's death

by matthaggs on Apr 11, 2008 10:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't know about that

Holding runners is really a pitcher's responsibility. I don't hear many people suggest that Jorge is a poor game caller.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Apr 11, 2008 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mussina for one

it seems fairly obvious that Moose doesn't really like throwing to Jorge.

Molina's arm, the way he frames pitches, the way he calls the game....he's a classic catcher.

"Well, that kind of puts a damper on even a Yankees win."
-- Phil Rizzuto after hearing about the Pope's death

by matthaggs on Apr 11, 2008 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

good win

see what their offense does when fatty/manny go 0-fer?

by Clutch like Leyritz on Apr 11, 2008 10:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

93 pitches

He ought to be available tomorrow, right?

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Apr 11, 2008 10:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for making me welcome

I'll stop by again soon. Good luck the rest of the weekend

by verno329 on Apr 11, 2008 10:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Apr 11, 2008 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wang: 3-0, 1.23 ERA, 0.70 WHIP

Not too shabby.

by anaconda on Apr 11, 2008 10:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not only that, but he's also the winningest pitcher in baseball since 2006, with now 41 wins. That's ahead of names like Beckett, Verlander, and Santana. Suck on that, Boston.

by sswenson10 on Apr 11, 2008 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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