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Are the Yankees evil, or is it everyone else?

Food for thought from baseball guru Dan Szymborski -

... the strongest advocates of a salary cap, the ones ranting about salaries in light of the economy, are full of hot air. And something else, but the site nanny won't let me say it.

MLB's revenues have been exploding since 2003 and player salaries have simply not matched this increase in revenues. In 2003, players in baseball made 63% of league revenues. In 2008, that number appears to be 52% of league revenues, or less than any of the other major professional leagues in the US, which all have salary caps.

For decades, wonks, wags, and wigs have told us that player salaries drive upward ticket prices and that arguments about supply and demand are theoretical constructs for an imaginary world. But in the real world, during a time in which the player's slice of the pie has dropped tremendously (a $400 million loss of the pie in 2008 alone, relative to 2003), ticket prices have continued to gone up unabated. Just as expected, savings from limiting the salaries of those mean old players have been filtered directly into the pockets of owners. Owners who cry poverty and get welfare stadiums. Republicans talked about welfare queens 15 years ago, but it would take thousands of so-called queens driving around in taxpayer Cadillacs to match some of the true members of that category. Take Jeff Loria, who pockets revenue-sharing money and then turns around and gets an additional honeypot in the form of an apparently imminent fancy-new stadium. If MLB owners were in charge of the TARP funds, the $700 billion would already be completely gone and the sycophantic media, ever-hungry for prestige, quotes, and free pastrami on rye, would blame it on pay raises for local janitorial staff.

Now, to the Yankees. I've been stalling on saying nice things about the team, but I guess I've got to bite the bullet and get it over with. The Yankees have a mindset that is good for baseball and the US would be better off if more companies possessed the Yankee mindset.

The Yankees do spend more money than other teams in MLB, but the differences would be less drastic if the payrolls of many teams had been rising up to the waves of new cash that have entered baseball in recent years. Going by the NFL formula, very generous considering the MLBPA is far more powerful an entity than any other union in sports, the payroll floor for 2009 would almost certainly be in the $100 million range. 58% of league revenue, as the players in NFL get, would be, in baseball, an average team payroll of a hair under $120 million. It's pretty clear that while the Yankees are outspending everyone comfortably, the rest of baseball has just as much to do with the payroll disparity as the Yankees do.

Now, what about the Yankee mindset? The Steinbrenners aren't anywhere near as rich or as liquid as some other owners in baseball such as Carl Pohlad of the Twins. The difference is that the Steinbrenners have always invested in their team, always striven to put the best product possible out on the field. The Yankees have certainly made some terrible trades, especially when King George was hands-on the most, but they were done with the motive of making the team better. Yes, the Yankees got a huge, undeserved payday from the locals for their stadium, like most teams in baseball did, but it's a mitigating factor that they're actually plowing those funds back into the on-field product. And the team never threatened to not compete until they got their sweet check. Perhaps a small difference, but I see it as a good bit more ethical than Kevin McClatchy demanding taxpayer moneys to help the Pirates compete and then turn around and use all the money to fund his failing media empire.

 

He follows it up with projections for Teixeira through the remainder of his contract. His best year is supposed to be 2010.

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Why thank you Dan S im touched

by sdhman11 on Dec 26, 2008 8:15 PM EST reply actions  

Dan the man

he obv knows what hes talking about. Also, i just dont agree with Teixera declining that quickly, he can prob still belt 30 homers when hes in his early 30s

"Hey Derek do you actually drive the Edge?","I don't drive that piece of crap!"

by Da Shiz on Dec 27, 2008 12:22 AM EST reply actions  

In general

I’m still trying to figure out at what point in sports history human beings thought it prudent to pay people who play sports millions of dollars. This point isn’t even discussed anymore. It all seems so normal now to talk about a player / team getting millions of dollars for; running, jumping, throwing, hitting, catching etc.

" Washington focuses its bailouts on people who take showers before going to work rather than on those people who need a shower after they work. "

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 27, 2008 2:06 AM EST reply actions  

Considering that the alternative is for the owner to

keep the money, It seems fairer to get paid millions for running, jumping, throwing, catching, etc. then for him to get those millions just for sitting on his ass and watching a ball game in the seat his daddy bought for him .

Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier. The cigars taste better. The trees are greener. --Billy Martin

by garp on Dec 27, 2008 2:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Aha!

That’s the exact answer I was waiting for. This is where the dreaded “R” word (Regulation) comes into play. The owners aren’t going to be altruistic and reduce ticket / concession / swag prices. That would be going against the grain of a business – To maximize profits. So, what could be done? Create legislation that would stipulate that a sporting franchise can only charge so much per ticket and for all the rest. Getting tickets would come on a first come first serve basis instead of having to be competed for via “the wallet”. Result, we wouldn’t have this disgusting and absurd argument over grown men (both owners and players) making obscene amounts of money for playing a game.

Before you reply with: “Are you absolutely f’n nuts?!”, I already know that this talk is lunacy and goes against everything the “free market” stands for. But don’t forget, free market promotes greed and what we all currently are witnessing. I don’t know how many people blogging here can afford $2500 seats for individual games behind home plate. I know I can’t. (…and yes, I realize there are seats at the stadium other than behind home plate).

I think that fair economics is a conundrum that can’t be solved, especially in the realm of modern professional sports. As long as there are lunatics out there willing to pay a king’s ransom to WATCH men & women play games, I guess there will be lunatics out there thinking that they deserve millions to PLAY those games.

I don’t disparage the Yankees or any other franchise for what they are financially able to do, I just think that the human conscience no longer grasps reality and continues to misunderstand the true value of a dollar.

" Washington focuses its bailouts on people who take showers before going to work rather than on those people who need a shower after they work. "

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 27, 2008 3:21 AM EST up reply actions  

well

a. because the sports they are in generate a ton of $$$$$ , and they are clearly the most important aspect of the busniess.

regulation? sure but if only one sports do that, then the talented guys will just play other sports. if all sports do that, they’ll just change career and / or find better paying country, it’s called free market, and it’s odd that someone would be debating this about “AMERICAN” sports. instead of you know, the USSR sports. I’d say that the players definately deserve their pay more than 99% of the CEOs and high paying white collar workers in the world.

by RollingWave on Dec 27, 2008 7:26 AM EST up reply actions  

uh

I recognized the free market in my post.


I already know that this talk is lunacy and goes against everything the "free market" stands for.

" Washington focuses its bailouts on people who take showers before going to work rather than on those people who need a shower after they work. "

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 27, 2008 8:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Free Market and Baseball

There’s a strong, reasonable case that there’s a compelling public interest in drinking water not being polluted, food not being diseased, or airline pilots not flying drunk. There’s no such compelling case for baseball events to be made affordable or for athletes to be paid less. With the exception of one issue, welfare stadiums, but these should be conditions negotiated up-front as conditions for the building of the stadium (if the stadium is to be built at all!), not imposed later.

--
Dan Szymborski
dan@baseballprimer.com

by D.Szymborski on Dec 27, 2008 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Well said.

You sound like you are a Michael Kay man.

" Washington focuses its bailouts on people who take showers before going to work rather than on those people who need a shower after they work. "

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 27, 2008 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

LOU

if you’re one of the best in the world at your job you’re gonna make crazy money. Actors, CEO’s, doctors, hedge fund managers etc. McDonalds figured out the best way to make cheap fastfood and now they rake it in, Bill Gates developed one of the best and earliest operating systems in the world and he makes millions. If you are literally top 1% of the world in your field chances are you’re making millions of dollars a year. You only pick sports out because they’re in your face 24/7.

Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.

by CasanovaWong on Dec 27, 2008 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Those golden arches are in my face everyday when I go to work

and it’s much much cheaper than a seat at the ball park. ;-)

Good points though all around.

" Washington focuses its bailouts on people who take showers before going to work rather than on those people who need a shower after they work. "

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 29, 2008 9:43 AM EST up reply actions  

How's this for Regulations?

The essential condition for the existence, and for the sway of the bourgeois class, is the formation and augmentation of capital; the condition for capital is wage-labour. Wage-labour rests exclusively on competition between the labourers.

So the response from those who think baseball players (and owners) who make too much money should be:
1) A heavy progressive or graduated income tax
2) Centralization of credit in the hands of the Commissioner, by means of a national bank with the Commissioner an exclusive monopoly (all moneys earned will be divvied up by the Commissioner as needed)
3) Equal liability of all to labour. (all players are paid the same wage)
4) A more equal distribution of the population over the country ((No team shall have too many stars on it…equal division of superstars)

Sound good? I got it from Wikipedia (and altered some obviously) from the Communist Manifesto.

by ilBrutto on Dec 27, 2008 11:05 AM EST reply actions  

I guess the proletariat (the fan) be damned.

" Washington focuses its bailouts on people who take showers before going to work rather than on those people who need a shower after they work. "

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 27, 2008 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

the free market

in baseball is part of the reason the best amateur athletes choose baseball over the other major sports.

take Sabathia for example. he had offers to play football at USC and other top schools, but chose instead to take $1.3 mil from the Indians to pursue baseball. look at Drew Henson, CJ Henry, etc. these guys make zero money in college (well, they get ‘gifts’ from boosters, but that doesn’t compare), but they can start off in pro baseball making millions, as a teenager. same with IFAs, e.g. Jesus Montero, Michel Inoa, who would probably make good football/basketball players also, but wont see a dime until 18-19 as opposed to 16. (there’s also the fact that baseball is more prevalent there.)

the NFL, NHL and NBA have salary caps. Peyton Manning and Tom Brady should probably make more than they do. same with Lebron James and Kobe. Jaromir Jagr left to play in Russia bc they offered him a better deal than any NHL team.

why do Matsui, Daisuke, Ichiro come here? primarily bc we pay more money. if we want to keep seeing the best the world has to offer, it has to remain a free market and our economy has to remain good.

it boils down to i’d rather see players pocket the money (who i pay to see) than owners.

by Travis G on Dec 27, 2008 11:56 AM EST reply actions  

again

I agree with rather seeing more money go to players and not just the owners. I just feel that, without the fans, there is no money. This can’t be argued. The fans shouldn’t be so overly burdened by higher cost for tickets.

One of the worst things that loyal fans have endured since the mid-90’s are; PSL fee’s. A fee for the “right” to purchase a season ticket? This is absurd. A franchise owner doesn’t want to pony up all of the money for a new stadium, so he tries to get the city to subsidize it with increased taxes. The citizens say: “Piss off pal!” So the owner charges a fee to season ticket holders to help fund the stadium? Disgusting.

" Washington focuses its bailouts on people who take showers before going to work rather than on those people who need a shower after they work. "

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 27, 2008 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

i've read

that the increase in ticket prices has been less than the increase in salaries (percentage wise).

by Travis G on Dec 27, 2008 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually, Dan S's article said the opposite

“But in the real world, during a time in which the player’s slice of the pie has dropped tremendously (a $400 million loss of the pie in 2008 alone, relative to 2003), ticket prices have continued to gone up unabated.”

So salaries have decreased relative to revenues, but ticket prices have continued to rise (and that’s partially responsible for increased revenues).

"If you lived in my grandfather's house...and you wanted to eat, you had to be a Yankees fan." --Joe Biden

by SenorSwanky on Dec 27, 2008 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

the article i read was in

Baseball Between the Numbers, where it says that ticket prices reflect growing average salaries in the USA far more than that of players, which (iirc) have gone up a lot more (percentage wise) than regular workers.

by Travis G on Dec 28, 2008 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

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