Yankees "Upgrade" in Centerfield
This just in ... Yankees appear close to adding Mike Cameron for Melky Cabrera.
Although I'm still abit giddy over the CC deal, adding a soon to be 36 year old right-handed hitting centerfielder who strikes out 140+ times a year, and sports a "robust" .331 OBP over a 23 year old, who had a poor showing last season smacks of a desperate and unnecessary move, in my opinion.
Melky may not be the centerfielder of the future for the Yankees, but it's hard to fathom that Cameron represents much--if any upgrade at all. Melky is demonstratively younger, a switch-hitter who makes more contact, is a base-stealing threat, and has a similar OBP.
I think giving up on Cabrera at 23 will come back to haunt the Yankees ...
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“I think giving up on Cabrera at 23 will come back to haunt the Yankees”
I don’t.
Melky Cabrera is 24 (25 next season) and has logged 1,608 plate apperances in the big leagues. He’s posted an unspectacular .703 OPS. There are statistical indicators we look for to see if a young player is developing – is he walking more, are a higher % of his flyballs going for home runs – and he exhibits none of them. In ‘06 Melky had a slightly high BABIP, and in ’08 it was slightly low. His ’07 season is realistically the best we could expect to see from him in the future – slightly above average defense, slightly below average offense. Melky’s career stolen base success rate is around 75% – nothing to get too excited about.
Cameron is old and on the downside of his career. Yet, for 2009, he represents an improvement over Cabrera (or Brett Gardner, for that matter). Cameron projects to contribute similar defense but much more from the plate. Cameron is a different type hitter than Cabrera is, but he still represents an upgrade of anywhere from 80-100 points of OPS at the plate. He is a place-holder until Austin Jackson is ready, but he is a worthy place-holder.
There’s talk of the Yankees including other players, depending on how much of Cameron’s salary the Brewers eat. As long as they don’t include anything more than a Grade B prospect, I like this deal.
by 3460kuri on Dec 11, 2008 11:28 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Lavender of Brew Crew Ball here to add
It seems ify on both sides. Personally, I don’t know your farm system, but there’s 2 CF prospects who’ve apparently gone past Melky. So Cam would work as a stop gap until they’re in, as for us it’d test his waters in a less performance demanding media market in a lesser division at that, minus the Chicaco Scrubs.
In theory, it works, but I wonder what you Yankee fans think on the talks of the addition of Bill Hall to the deal, for an added pitching prospect. No doubt, if that’s the case, GM Doug Melvin would probably explore a Kennedy or Hughes. Doubt it’d go, but if Hall is in we’d really need the young arm.
Your thoughts on the Cameron + Hall for Cabrera + ?
by Lavender on Dec 11, 2008 11:29 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
The problem is, who is the real Bill Hall? So far, his career has peaked at age 26 and declined steadily since. That’s not a good sign. He’s been terrible defensively at 2nd, average at SS and 3b. I think he’d make a poor utility infielder at this point.
by 3460kuri on Dec 11, 2008 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and where would the yanks put hall??
one of his gripes in MIL is that he’s not getting regular playing time in one position. He would be at best a utility guy for the Yanks… and I don’t think that would sit too well with him.
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by NumberSeven on Dec 11, 2008 3:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Being younger and “making more contact” is nice, but 80 points of OPS is 80 points of OPS.
by 3460kuri on Dec 11, 2008 11:29 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Gonna miss that arm in center
…but not much else. Personally, I would have liked to have seen Gardner in center and maybe he will see some time if Cameron struggles, but by the end of last year i would groan every time Cabrera came to the plate.
Does anyone think there is anything else to this trade involving Cabrera’s friendship with Cano? Just speculation but:
-Was Cabrera a bad infuence on Cano? Did they at all cause each other to lose focus on baseball?
-Is this at all a sign that the Yanks might be considering trading Cano?
Munson15
by Munson15 on Dec 11, 2008 11:51 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
No
You don’t trade a player because he’s friends with another player.
Cano is actually a talented hitter coming off a down year. Melky is a 4th outfielder. End of story.
by 3460kuri on Dec 11, 2008 11:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
exactly, 4th outfielder
I love melky but come on guys, this is a huge upgrade for the yankees. Gardner should never receive 500 ab’s in an mlb season and either should melky. They are both great 4th outfielders which every team needs but we need a starting centerfielder.
This is a great move to fill a gaping hole in the yankees lineup for this year.
I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby
by kdog on Dec 11, 2008 12:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is not a "huge upgrade" for the yankees
Cameron has better power numbers, but he was playing indoors with friendlier alleys. His totals are going to drop drastically because of the new death valley. Melky may have fallen to a 4th outfielder, and I have no problem with that or even trading him. But calling Cameron a huge upgrade is inaccurate.
We don’t need middling power. We need guys with high OBP’s getting on for Arod, Nady, Matsui and Posada. Cameron whiffs too much and his OBP is .330. That’s simply not a huge upgrade.
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by Ronster22 on Dec 11, 2008 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we'll agree to disagree then
Ronster, 95 out of 100 baseball fans would take cameron over gardner/melky in a second. He will play decent D but give us more with the bat than gard/melky ever could. Yes he strikes out a lot and his obp could be better but melky’s obp sucked and he had no power. Cameron’s contract expires after this year so it’s a big move for us with flexibility next year.
I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby
by kdog on Dec 11, 2008 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would too ...
Cameron is an upgrade over Melky and Gardner, that wasn’t my issue. I took exception to your calling it a “huge upgrade” which it clearly is not. Upgrade? Yes. Huge Upgrade? No. Adding Igawa in the trade … Priceless!!!
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by Ronster22 on Dec 11, 2008 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OK, so I got a little excited
We’ll agree with upgrade. Ronster, I just miss the days when we had #51 in center and he would run down everything and use that sweet swing to win championships for the yankees, don’t you!! lol.
Ever sense damon got old fast on us we needed something better in CF.
I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby
by kdog on Dec 11, 2008 9:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
excuse me
But the Yankees dumped Billy Martin to keep him froom buying drinks for Mantle and Ford.
Rumor has it that Melky and Cano were out “Clubbing” way too much. That it hurt their energy and performance. If that’s right I’d trade him in a heartbeat.
If I's known I was going to live so long, I'd have taken better care of myself. Casey
by Cbeck3 on Dec 11, 2008 5:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I heard ...
the same thing. The Yankees did right to protect their investment in Cano, and I do think he will have a monster season without Melky around. Cano has something to prove, and from what I’ve read, he’s accepting the challenge, bigtime. I’m excited about that. I still wish we’d add Bowa to the mix.
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by Ronster22 on Dec 12, 2008 9:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Update:
According to baseball prospectus, they are talking about expanding this deal to be Cameron & Bill Hall for Melky Cabrera, KEI IGAWA, and a minor leaguer.
KEI frickin’ IGAWA.
by 3460kuri on Dec 11, 2008 3:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
please let igawa go
the news keeps getting better for yanks fans if we cut igawa loose and get hall. Go cashman go!
I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby
by kdog on Dec 11, 2008 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
take blower-san
PLEASE!!
but as I said earlier.. what the hell do the yanks do with hall??
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by NumberSeven on Dec 11, 2008 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hall
Is the Yankees’ “backup plan.” Now they have a little bit more leverage in trades for Cano, because they can get it done on their own time table (not having to worry about signing a FA).
And if Cano stays (I think he will) the Hall is the utility guy. We’ve got strong enough veterans that will step on him if he gets out of line.
And if Hall performs well in partial duty around the diamond (infield utility, 1B, maybe right field?) he becomes trade bait in July.
I’m at work, so Cot’s is blocked (stupid blogspot). What’s Hall making this season?
I think this is a great trade- flexing the financial muscle, giving up a guy who responded poorly last season and has shown few signs of putting it together for a guy who is still a top-tier defender.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
by jscape2000 on Dec 11, 2008 3:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hall (from Cot's)
09:$6.8M, 10:$8.4M, 11:$9.25M club option ($0.5M buyout)
a little steep for a utility guy.
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by NumberSeven on Dec 11, 2008 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Now THIS would be a "huge upgrade"
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by Ronster22 on Dec 11, 2008 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Package him up and move him ...
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by Ronster22 on Dec 12, 2008 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cameron deal supossedly dead.
CBSSports.com has the deal being dead. BUt has the Yankees thinking Prince Fielder if Texeira is a no-go.
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by NumberSeven on Dec 11, 2008 5:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Prince in the Bronx?
Interesting …
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by Ronster22 on Dec 12, 2008 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What the heck is wrong with Cash
I understand Cash overpaying for CC, but his allegedly guaranteeing 5th year to Burnett and this proposed with the Brewers is ridiculous. It seems like Cash is chasing just about everyone such as Lowe, Burnett, Andy P, Sheets, Manny, Tex and etc. I think Cash will need to calm down and make more sound decisions.
1) Nix the deal with Milwaukee: Cameron and Hall don’t appeal to me too much. Both are coming from down years and both strike out way too much. Melky is only 23 and him and Gardner might work until AJax is ready.
2) Sign one from a list of Lowe, Burnett, Sheets. NYY’s 2009 rotation is pretty much set with CC, Wang, Joba, Possibly Andy P and Hughes. Signing two from Lowe/Burnett/Sheets seems like overspending. Even if Andy P. refuses to come back $10M, just sign one from the group. In this case, NYY’s SP will be CC, Wang, either Burnett/Lowe/Sheets, Joba, either Hughes/Aceves/IPK. This is not a bad starting pitching staff by any means. Burnett and Sheets are always injury prone and Lowe is getting old (why do you give a 4 yr. contract to Lowe who is 36?).
3) Trade Matsui/Igawa to Seattle or SF for whatever they can get and sign Manny to become a regular DH on a 3 year deal. Whatever you say about Manny, he can still hit. He will be an awesome addition to the line-up and will protect A-Rod.
4) Stay away from Tex. He is only 28, but giving a 8 year / 160 M contract is too much price. Just let LAA/Washington/Boston/Baltimore fight over him If Swisher does not work, NYY can trade for Prince Fielder sometime in 2009.
by yankeesintexas on Dec 11, 2008 5:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree with everything except number 1, we need cameron!
I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby
by kdog on Dec 11, 2008 9:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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