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Importance of the pen

In reference to a Wallace Matthews article from the other day, I decided to take a look at how much our starting staff helped the bullpen during the dynasty years compared to the last five.

From 1996-2000, Yankee starters went at least six innings 535 times, averaging 107 times a season.

From 2004-2008, the starters went at least six 494 times, averaging 99 times a season. Not as big a difference as I expected. But you see the real difference when you kick it up to seven innings, when the difference jumps to 118 occurrences (24 times a season). That is a lot.

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And what about total starter innings per year?

2004 - 942.1

'05 - 965.1

'06 - 933.2

'07 - 921

'08 - 898.1

making for an average of ~932 per season.

What's perhaps most disturbing is that it's gone down every year since 2005.

Now the dynasty years:

1996 - 921.2

'97 - 1017.1

'98 - 1061.1

'99 - 1002.2

'00 - 964.2

making for an average of ~993.5 per season.

Pretty big difference: 61.5 ip/season equates to 185 more outs each year that the bullpen must get.

Not just that, but the starters were better then too. Going by Adjusted OPS Against (because BRef doesn't have ERA+ for team starters' totals):

'96 - sOPS 99 - pen sOPS 88 - result: title

'97 - sOPS 94 - pen sOPS 84 - result: lost in rd. 1

'98 - sOPS 82 - pen sOPS 92 - result: title (best team ever?)

'99 - sOPS 90 - pen sOPS 82 - result: title

'00 - sOPS 96- pen sOPS 90 - result: title

average starter sOPS ~92

average reliever sOPS ~87

So the dynasty Yankee starters were better than league average every single year, and they were utterly dominant in the magical year of '98. The bullpen was also great during those years.

'04 - sOPS 98 - pen sOPS 100 - lost in rd. 2

'05 - sOPS 102 - pen sOPS 98 - lost in rd. 1

'06 - sOPS 91 - pen sOPS 97 - lost in rd. 1

'07 - sOPS 99 - pen sOPS 102 - lost in rd. 1

'08 - sOPS 101 - pen sOPS 87 - missed playoffs

average starter sOPS ~98

average reliever sOPS ~97

So the Yankees have still had better than average starters recently (which makes sense - they have made the playoffs four of five years), but had just one great year ('06). Outside of that, it's a bunch of mediocrity. The same can be said for the bullpen, which has had one great year ('08) in the last five.

Can a great bullpen really be as or more valuable than a great starting staff (as Matthews would have us believe)?

This year, the Yankees had a phenomenal bullpen (87 sOPS), yet missed the playoffs. The starters were mediocre (101 sOPS), so even a great bullpen couldn't save the season. Meanwhile, the bullpen sucked last year (102 sOPS), yet we made the playoffs with the same mediocre starters (99 sOPS).

In that special year of 1998, the bullpen was the worst it ever was in that span (92 sOPS), but the starters were phenomenal (82 sOPS).

Is it just a coincidence that when the Yankees had solid starters every year, they won three of four titles, but haven't even been back to the Series with mediocre starters? Doubtful. And that's not even counting that starters have more impact because they pitch more innings.

Admittedly, there is an argument to be made that the largest disparity between the dynasty and current Yankees has been the bullpen (10 sOPS points worse compared to just six for the starters). But is that really a case of poor relievers? It's more likely that the pen has been leaned on too much due to less innings from starters.

2008 throws a wrench into the equation. The '08 pen pitched the most innings for the Yankees in any year I studied, yet it also had it's best year since 1999 (but that's probably more an indictment of Joe Torre than anything).

Sorry that there's no definitive conclusion. The Yankees have won with medicore starters and a great pen ('96), but have also missed the playoffs with that same combination ('08).

What I need to look at sometime is the correlation between starter innings and bullpen effectiveness. I would expect that the longer starters go, the better relievers do. Also, does a great bullpen make starters better (because they don't have to pitch as long)?

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Here's another wrinkle for your analysis

I found these following stats to be very, very useful when Tom Verducci sorta tackled this issue in Sept ’07 in an SI mailbag.

Here’s the number of times a Yankee starter threw at least 7.0 IP since 1996:

1996: 54
1997: 77
1998: 91 (Holy crap, no wonder nobody could beat them)
1999: 69
2000: 67
2001: 64
2002: 79
2003: 87
2004: 53
2005: 56
2006: 44
2007: 43
2008: 33

This is an area where Wang’s value to this team can NEVER be underestimated despite the moronic Wang is not an ace argument because he accomplished this feat 7 times (in 15 starts) during his shortened 2008 season whereas Pettitte did it 11 times (in 33 starts) and Moose did it 8 times (in 34 starts).

The rest of the Yankee rotation combined threw at least 7.0 IP just 7 times (in 80 starts).

So it’s not a coincidence that the Yanks were winning pennants and rings when they had four or five horses who saved the bullpen on a nightly basis. And when you already have Mo to pitch the 9th, you simply need capable but not necessarily dominant arms to form that bridge.

This is precisely why the trio of Stanton-Nelson-Mendoza often gets a lot more credit and praise than they deserve for those dynasty years. Yes, they were good, but not even close to dominant. Even in those days, Mo had more 1.0 + IP saves than any closer in MLB.

This is also why Joba’s greatest value is in the rotation with Mo still the closer for at least another two years.

Adding Sabathia (who threw at least 7.0 IP an astounding 24 times in 35 starts in 2008), along with Wang, Pettitte, and Joba could really make this a formidable rotation next season if someone else steps up to take the #5 slot and stay relatively healthy.

Idiots like Matthews (and George King) always seem to downplay or simply ignore just how phenomenal the rotation was in those days. And it’s the primary reason why those dynasty teams were so tough to beat, especially in the postseason, and why they haven’t been back to the World Series since 2003.

Assembling a strong rotation is still the single most important element in building a championship-caliber ball club.

by anaconda on Nov 8, 2008 6:37 AM EST   0 recs

You can spin it a lot of ways

Can a great bullpen be more valuable than a great starting staff?

Absolutely, positively, no. A strong staff is going to pitch twice as many innings as a strong bullpen.

Can a great bullpen be more valuable than a mediocre starting staff?

Probably not, but it’s a closer call. A bullpen that is strong and solid down to the last man can alleviate some pressure on a weaker rotation. Furthermore, a manager may be less inclined to push mediocre starters further if he has a strong relief corps, rather than one that is worse than the starter.

Usually, though, the best teams have a good rotation and a good bullpen.

I’m cautiously optimistic for 2009.

[comment posted by 3460kuri]

(ED. NOTE: it got lost in the transition somehow)

by Travis G on Nov 8, 2008 12:41 PM EST   0 recs

How can Wang not be considered an ace?

I’d much rather have him over that Josh Beckett fellow. Wang provides consistency whereas Beckett has some unbelievable games(thought very inconsistent).

by schmosterballs92 on Nov 8, 2008 2:52 PM EST   0 recs

the MSM

would have us think Beckett is the greatest pitcher in the history of the sport, yet his career ERA+ is lower than Wang, Pettitte and Mussina (and that despite Andy and Moose already passing into their decline phases a while back).

by Travis G on Nov 9, 2008 11:32 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

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