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Oct. 23 news round-up

- Mike Cameron is on the Yanks radar. No thanks. He's 36 years old, strikes out a ton, and has hit just .242 with a .330 OBP the last two years.

- Grass went down recently in the new Stadium. It's getting there...

A good recap of the season with each player's monetary value listed. Only one position player had a positive value (and he only spent two months with the club).

- Darryl Strawberry warned Joba Chamberlain not to 'be like me'. Straw was on his way to the Hall of Fame but got derailed by drugs. Hopefully Joba learns his lesson and can put this behind him. (It was either a taunt or a cell phone camera that exacerbated the situation.)

- The Yankees teamed up with the Dallas Cowboys to start a 'stadium operations company'. It basically means they'll cut out the 'middle-man' (just like they did with the YES Network) and sell concessions and memorabilia on their own.

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Yeah his OBP sucks but he slugs in the high .470s and hits 20+ HRs and he still plays good defense. That’s better than any other option out there. I still like Austin Jackson quite a bit and don’t want to sign someone long term or do something horrendously like eating Rowand’s contract , also Cameron’s currently the best option available period. Trading Cano+ for Matt Kemp doesn’t tickle my fancy all that much (I want to deal Cano for a starter like Cain or Greinke). Cameron will fill the hole for this season, and he might be able to do half a year next season too. It’s either him or Byrd for me.

by Omar Little on Oct 24, 2008 1:25 AM EDT reply actions  

i wouldn't mind Byrd

but Cameron i would. i believe both Gardner and Melky will have at least as good BA/OBP, Cameron gets the edge in power (wasn’t he suspended for PEDs?), and Gardner/Melky will probably match or exceed Cameron’s D. plus Cameron will cost at least 10x that of Melky/Gardner. if the Yanks truly are working within a budget (~$180 mil), that money would be much better spent elsewhere. even on Ben Sheets/AJ Burnett, who are more ‘worth it’ than Cameron.

by Travis G on Oct 24, 2008 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cameron

Actually Lupica claims to have a source saying that the Yankees are willing to increase payroll by 80 mil this offseason, I’m not sure if that means that they plan on adding 80 mil of contracts (CC/Teixeira/Lowe or resigning Pettitte maybe both/Cameron be doable for that.) making the payroll 280 mill or adding NEW contracts worth 80 mill a season. Cameron was connected to PEDs however, he still put up a 106 wOBA+ last season after the suspension for PEDs. I’m not worried about the power disappearing. Melky is a better defensive OF than Cameron, but since Cameron actually has an baove average bat he is the better player, same goes for Brett Gardner…though I’m not sure how much better of a defender he is than Cameron…likely not by much. As to Melky/Gardner’s bats? Melky may put up a .310 OBP if he’s lucky, but he’ll also slug like .340, Gardner might do a .290/.320 line but he won’t draw that many walks because no pitcher would ever throw him anything out of the zone, because even if it’s down the pipe Gardner can’t hit it out of the infield. Cameron is a better player than both of them.

by Omar Little on Oct 24, 2008 2:00 PM EDT reply actions  

But ...

Signing Cameron takes at-bats away from Gardner, Cabrera. Not sure if that makes a huge difference considering I don’t believe either is a long-term solution for the position… But neither is Cameron—for all the reasons mentioned above.

Take a pass. We don’t need bangers, we need guys who can do the little things—table setters who can hit and run, steal a base, bunt and put the ball in play. Cameron is older and more one-dimensional at this point in his career.

If we find a table setter-type who is young-ish, doesn’t cost a ton I’d say sure. Otherwise pray Austin Jackson is the real deal.

"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will

by Ronster22 on Oct 24, 2008 3:50 PM EDT reply actions  

take a pass for sure

totally agree with ronster here, Cameron is exactly the type of player the yanks don’t need at this time. Don’t waste a bunch of money on an older player who’s out of his prime. I say split games in cf between gardner and damon as melky’s time should be over and they should try to trade him while they can still get something for him!

by kdog on Oct 24, 2008 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trading Melky

The time to get something of value for him has passed. Anyways, back to Cameron, he is a far better defender than Damon (who can’t play center anymore) and he is a demonstrably better player than Brett Gardner. He’ll likely only be a one year deal…I don’t see what’s so hard to understand here.

by Omar Little on Oct 25, 2008 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know if you realize this, but taking away ABs from Gardner and Cabrera is a good thing. Gardner has anemic power, and Melky just plain sucks. Did you watch a single game this season?

by Omar Little on Oct 25, 2008 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

What are you...

Cameron’s agent? The last thing the Yanks need is another rally killing strikeout (142K’s) machine with a big contract(10 million in 2009 I believe). Stick with Melky /Gardner for now. The Yanks don’t need big numbers from every position,just steady defense. If their top hitters (A-Rod,Giambi,Cano,Abreu etc..) hit with RISP you wouldn’t even notice who was playing centerfield. The reason they didn’t make the playoffs was their lack of timely hitting and their bad end of the rotation. If they get Wang and Joba back healthy , get another starter(CC?) and sign Texiera, they’re set for 2009.

by celerino73 on Oct 26, 2008 5:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not necessarily ...

Gardner isn’t going to hit 40 homers—and likely isn’t going to hit more than 10 in a season. But giving a guy at least 600 abs in the majors will sharpen his approach. Look how anemic he looked when he first came up. He was terrible. But Girardi stuck with him and he slowly started to recover.

I think given time, Gardner can be a decent player. I don’t think he’ll ever project to a Damon level, but he hustles, works hard, plays solid defense and he brings a dimension the Yankees don’t have much of these days—speed. Unless someone better comes along, stick with Gardner and give him the at bats he needs.

"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will

by Ronster22 on Oct 27, 2008 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

What are you?

A Sox fan? Melky/Gardner in CF? I’d rather have someone defecate in my mouth. Yes, with CC and Teixeira signing with the Yankees they will likely be fine (provided Wang/Joba come back fine). Also, ABREU!!! DO YOU REALIZE HOW HORRIBLE IN THE FIELD HE IS!!?!!!?! Do you realize that he commands a multiyear deal and he’s declining? My interest in Cameron is based on the position he plays and his defense left. He scored 2.8 on Chris Dial’s OPD, and he still had a 106 wOBA+ He’s much better than the suck that Melky/Gardner would be.

by Omar Little on Oct 27, 2008 2:51 AM EDT reply actions  

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