Beltran

by tozer55 on Oct 11, 2008 2:37 PM EDT Comment 16 comments

So I saw on YES that the Beltran rumor is flying around that the Metropolitans are looking for a 2B...any thoughts on Cano for Beltran?

Personally I like Gardner and the devil is in the details but if we could get him for IPK, Cano and Melky, I'd do it. Yes Ajax hasa future in pinstripes but it's not going to be this coming season and getting a solid hitter in CF takes the pressure off off rushing him to the show...not to mention Beltran would look great in the lineup.

Damon LF

Jeter SS

Arod 3B

Manny DH

Beltran CF

Matsui 1B/RF

Posada C

Nady RF/1B

TBD 2B

Wang

Joba

Hughes

Pettitte

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I dunno

I like the idea, but I just dont think Beltran can handle NY. He did best in Houston where no one cares. I think with him, it is all mental. But who knows, it probably is with Cano too.

by gimpsta7 on Oct 11, 2008 3:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

umm

hes been in NY since like 2005. and hes put up OPS+ as a met of 96, 150,126, 131. According to BIS +/- system, Beltran is still one of the best , if not the best CFer in baseball.

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by jbluestone on Oct 11, 2008 8:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I like

how you just snuck Manny into the lineup.

by seanp23 on Oct 11, 2008 9:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

And I while I've heard rumors

I see no reason to believe that Matsui or Nady can play 1st.

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by jscape2000 on Oct 11, 2008 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

details Jscape, details.

by seanp23 on Oct 12, 2008 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nady

has 82 career games at 1st base in the majors.

Met’s blog have noted how there was a rumor that Beltran MIGHT be avalible, but the Cano part is pure fabrication.

From a Mets perspective, they already owe Castillo 6M for 09 anyway (GJ Minaya, no one saw a oft injured no pop 2B who was losing his legs to not be worth 2/12 contracts!) getting Cano doesn’t save them much unless the Yankees throw a ton of Money and/or prospects on top of that.

which feels wrong from the Yankee perspective, who’s already seeing the risk of too many expensive players without a emerging young core to trade away the few piece that resemble the later.

by RollingWave on Oct 12, 2008 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes Nady

has played quite a bit at 1st… so he def could play there if needed, id prefer him in RF though.

Most people have the mets making a big play for Orlando Hudson, so Castillo is being looked at as a sunk cost in most cases. However, I agree with you in the sense that I am not sure Omar Minaya sees it that way.

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by jbluestone on Oct 12, 2008 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

well

Hudson is sort of like a better Castillo, not quiet as bad, but also somewhat overrated.

which is also a reason that this would make a questionable deal for the Yankees, since them trading Cano would require them to bring in Hudson , which combined with Beltran up their cost considerablly already and would put more pressure of them addressing even bigger needs (1B and SP)

From the yankee POV, they can live with Damon for 09 then look again to see if Austin Jackson is ready or something.

by RollingWave on Oct 13, 2008 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't understand the logic..

Carlos Beltran will be 31 in April. Why would you trade our future 5th starter, 4th OF, and our young all star second basemen who still hasn’t reached his ceiling? Especially for a guy who will be on the decline after one year.. Sure he’s great, but is a great year of him worth our future? IMO, Cano will be a .330 hitter for years to come..

I could do Melky, IPK, and Damon though..

by schmosterballs92 on Oct 13, 2008 12:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Actually:

Melky, IPK, Damon, and 1 or 2 decent prospects would be best for Beltran. Otherwise it’s lopsided.

by schmosterballs92 on Oct 13, 2008 12:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

thats like one mans junke

for another mans treasure, that isnt happening between two contenders.

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by jbluestone on Oct 13, 2008 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Mets need bullpen

Think bull pen and Cano.
We have arms to spare
Pete A mentioned Veras, although he didn’t believe it.

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by Cbeck3 on Oct 13, 2008 11:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

this would be a coup for the yankees and there's no way the Mets would go for it

Beltran is still one of the ten position best players in baseball, thanks to his combination of very good offense and world-class defense. He’s earning $18MM per season, which is a deal these days (Tex is a step or two down and will sign for $20-$25MM per year). People need to get over Beltran’s low AVG and lay-low demeanor and realize he’s a stud.

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by Sky Kalkman on Oct 14, 2008 12:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Many of us know he's a stud

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by Cbeck3 on Oct 14, 2008 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

talent

talent point of view I’d agree, roster construction wise though would be a bit questionable.

this move is a automatic 12M increase in payroll, and they also need either Hudson or Ellis (let’s say 6-8M) so something like 18-20M increase. it might take away some of their leverage to go for Teixiera and CC and whatever else they need.

in the end, it doesn’t make sense for either side, for the Met’s it’s trading away their top player for lesser players, for the Yankees it’s trading away more youth for older player adding payroll in what’s probably their 3rd to 4th position needs.

by RollingWave on Oct 16, 2008 3:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

agreed

You are asking for way too much here (not you sky, the original poster)

#1, Why would the Mets ever accept that package? They wouldn’t give up an All-Star CF with great defense and a great bat for a mediocre 2B with possible potential, a bad OF, and a young P prospect who struggled in the majors (not saying Kennedy is gonna suck, but he’s far from being ML ready).
This deal would probably have to start with Hughes, and they’d go from there.

#2, Manny? CC? Why not just throw in Teixeira while you’re at it?

by Schulz on Oct 16, 2008 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs