Euphoria
Does it get any better than this? If we go 7-3, while the Red Sox go 5-4...
It doesn't matter. We're making them sweat. So long as we keep winning all of New England will have one foot on the window sill for the rest of September.
I agree with cbeck's point about lining up for the playoffs before aiming for the division.
Then again, Jeter's looked better since the day I ran a post suggesting he was hurt. If Matsui's swing comes around then I'd have to think hard before sitting them for a couple games. But all the regulars should have two of the next ten games off- just not all at once Torre.
Is there any way to get WB swinging the bat well again?
How do we want the pitching lined up? How do we expect Torre to line it up?
I think Mussina has 'won' himself a postseason start with his performance this weekend. I'd pitch Andy in game one (home or road), but I suspect Torre might go with Wang then Pettitte in deference to the righty-lefty thing.
Depending which series we end up in, you might hear me advocating for a three man rotation in the first round (Pettitte-Wang-Clemens).
But first, another hurdle: those same suddenly deadly Blue Jays.
Halladay-Wang
Marcum-IPK
McGowan-Clemens
Burnett-Hughes
Each of those matchups seems pretty even. Our pitchers will have to stay sharp for us to keep winning.
And we have to keep winning.
We'll know soon enough.
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Re: Euphoria
In fact, this is a first.
That song always reminds me of Forrest Gump.
by anaconda on Sep 20, 2007 12:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Euphoria
by jscape2000 on Sep 20, 2007 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Euphoria
That movie had one of the best soundtracks of all time.
by anaconda on Sep 20, 2007 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Odd to associate Jackson Browne
by uflyibuy on Sep 20, 2007 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Odd to associate Jackson Browne
by jscape2000 on Sep 20, 2007 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You might have tried
by LateInningRelief on Sep 20, 2007 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Nah, Van Halen
by jscape2000 on Sep 20, 2007 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Euphoria
That way, Clemens pitches at home and Pettitte would pitch Game 5.
That's assuming the Yanks are the WC and have to play on the road to start the series.
by anaconda on Sep 20, 2007 12:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Euphoria
by PsiFighter37 on Sep 20, 2007 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Euphoria
However, I think Torre wants to live or die with Wang and Pettitte both pitching twice if the series goes 5 games.
If they make it that far, the ALCS rotation may be set up differently.
by anaconda on Sep 20, 2007 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Euphoria
Toronto should help us considering they don't work too many walks and our pitchers for the most part pitch for contact. K's are a plus.
Toronto's pitching staff is pitching well, like they have been all season. Halladay and Burnett own us, so those seem to me, like the last tests for our Yanks. They will not face any better starters from here unitl the postseason so I expect Joe to trot out our best and watch them try very hard.
We're lucky to be playing a tough series like this at home and be riding high. Unlike our woeful counterparts who had to go on the road and were falling flat on thier faces.
That was Russ Adams 2nd hr of the year. Off Paps, he's gotta be smiling still. The Yanks (attempting to keep from smiling) have played well enough to be in this position with only 10 games to go, this is ridiculous.
Now here's a qeustion. If the Yanks pull this division from underneath the Sox, which will be a bigger choke, 04' or 07'? Two different parts of the season but 14.5 is 14.5.
by yankeesRfirst on Sep 20, 2007 12:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gage reflex in New England
by Cbeck3 on Sep 20, 2007 1:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it's gag isn't it. I really cannot spell
by Cbeck3 on Sep 20, 2007 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I gotta post this comment i left on soxandpin.
Wow, well if the Yanks take the division this will continue a trend the Red Sox team and fanbase has thrived in for years. The lovable losers who always finish just shy of greatness.
Your nation relished and despised the curse of the Bambino. And then October 2004, they achieved biggest come back in sports history, against none other than the evil empire. Boom! All of the sudden all the angst and heartache vanished. 86 yrs. of futility was lifted 9th inning after 9th inning comebacks. The Sox finished they're magical comeback with a sweep of the overmatched St. Louis Cardinals.
It was to be a new chapter. A chapter without much pain and suffering. Where children would grow up with the best baseball team in the nation for years. Maybe even decades.
Then the following year. 2005 agaisnt the White Sox. Bases loaded with Red Sox and nobody out, in Fenway no less. The mood was set, the Sox were about to bust open the score. With once Yankee hurler El Duque on the mound. He removed his team from the inning unscathed. This was to be a turning point, that only few who pay close attention are aware of. The Red Sox were humbled by an up and coming pitching staff (or so they seemed up and coming). And were ousted by eventual WS Champions.
The following season. The Yankees walk into Fenway, in late August with a 1.5 game lead. For what was a pivotl 5 game set in 4 days. By the end of the weekend Boston was left in ruins. The magic of 2004 gone, a forethought. It was the Boston Massacre. The Yanks went on to take 6.5 game lead and cruised to a division title.
Now present day Boston. A season that blossomed with such promise. A team with the best pitchers in the league. Devestating hitters in Manny and Ortiz. Papelbon wanting to be the nail in the coffin. The Sox started out of the gates firing on all cylinders.
Meanwhile, just a few states south of them, the Evil Empire was crippled by early season injuries and lack of enthusiasm. Experts claimed them dead in the water by late May. But fans knew better than that, both Yanks and Sox fans. Even the players knew it wasn't over.
Just months later with 10 games left the Sox are in danger of out doing none other than themselves. Will this curse with no name continue to haunt the Sox or will they deny any superstitions and fend off those Yanks? If history is any indicator, the Sox should win it. But these are Red Sox I'm talking about.
Don't worry Red Sox fan you didn't lose the division yet. The ball is still in your court. And even if you lose the division, the playoffs are a brand new season. Papelbon will be entering the 8th at the first sign of trouble, not with the bases juiced and 1 out. Beckett will most likely be on, Ortiz has proven himself time and time again. And with a healthy Ramirez and Youk, they just might right this ship. Might being the key word. See you at the finish line.
by yankeesRfirst on Sep 20, 2007 2:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That
by yankeesRfirst on Sep 20, 2007 2:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Moe
by John Amato on Sep 20, 2007 2:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
this past week
almost.
by Clutch like Leyritz on Sep 20, 2007 6:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: this past week
by yankeesRfirst on Sep 20, 2007 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Euphoria
by bxgrl1 on Sep 20, 2007 7:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It was us in the rear view that made them collapse
Take it easy, we haven't won anything yet.
Just keep winning.
by Cbeck3 on Sep 20, 2007 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: It was us in the rear view that made them coll
Some in RSN are sweating already with our boys closing in. Read this recently:
"Oh, and in case you didn't know, it's completely OK to slam down that panic button now, the Red Sox look like a Dead Team Walking...."
IMO - there is still much baseball ahead. I agree with above, the Jays are going to put up a fight. A true challenge ahead.
by cliparttattoo on Sep 20, 2007 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The best part about the Yankees winning
by garp on Sep 20, 2007 10:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: The best part about the Yankees winning
by pfistyunc on Sep 20, 2007 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am sure that all you "regulars"
by garp on Sep 20, 2007 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: I am sure that all you "regulars"
by pfistyunc on Sep 20, 2007 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And they let you in?
by Cbeck3 on Sep 20, 2007 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good to hear that all the people who
by garp on Sep 20, 2007 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay,
by LateInningRelief on Sep 20, 2007 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We will both
by pfistyunc on Sep 20, 2007 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent.
by LateInningRelief on Sep 20, 2007 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Excellent.
We didn't miss you MG.
This team is the best in baseball right now, and their spot in the playoffs is all but secure. Only a bitter broken down fan who is upset that all his doomsday predictions didn't come through would still be upset about the events of April and May.
The fact of the matter is that Cashman has been brilliant from mid-season on, and no one in the bullpen looks any worse for wear to me. Viz has been great since he came back.
And every button Mr. Torre has pressed lately has hit the jackpot.
WHAT TEAM ARE YOU WATCHING?
If you want to see a dunce, look in the damn mirror. You have been proven 100% wrong with your dire predictions, and I for one am not going to reach a hand out to pull you back up onto the ship you deserted months ago.
If you want to root for a team that will always dissapoint you, try the Cubs.
by matthaggs on Sep 20, 2007 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Deserted
Plenty of people go to all the games and don't know what the hell they're talking about. In fact, I'm replying to one right now.
There are countless posts from you essentially giving up on the season.
At least Pfisty knows what he is talking about occasionally.
by matthaggs on Sep 20, 2007 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MG,
I am not going to go dig up the #s of 38 year-old pitchers who were able to play a key role in a pitching rotation. It's a dumb argument because nobody knows what will happen in the next 12 months. Can he totally fall apart? Sure. But the point is that the opinion that he still has something left in the tank is neither moronic or uninformed.
You are right that there are some opinions that are just beyond the pale. It would be dumb to propose Gagne take Papelbon's position as the RS closer. It would be dumb to propose that Cairo bat cleanup. But proposing that Cairo makes a decent mascot for a blog--well, jeez, I don't see that that's anything to get your panties in a twist over. And that Moose is a competitor and could still find (and appears to have found) another gear, well, that strikes me as actually a more even-handed view than yours.
by LateInningRelief on Sep 20, 2007 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: MG,
But the Yankees may be in a position to work a 6-man rotation for part of the season and won't need as many innings from him. (You do realize that Joba's coming out of the pen, right? jk)
I don't think Moose is going to need to prove his value for next year in the next few starts simply b/c his contract pretty much guarantees that, short of a complete fizzle, he's going to get the chance to compete for a spot.
We're good on the moron point. In retrospect, it was an inauspicious start.
Keep posting.
by LateInningRelief on Sep 20, 2007 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: MG, Sorry to hear that
by Cbeck3 on Sep 20, 2007 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm...
Yet, this type of "flight" might be a part of the problem. Perhaps if you've invested some time in a community you have some responsibility toward its upkeep?
Then again, your post smacks of hubris--as though you have a clue and the masses are clueless. I'm not sure if that is a reflection of your attitude in general or not. But, I do know that I'd rather converse with those who may know less about a subject but are civil and humble than arrogant individuals who think they know more than they really do.
by uflyibuy on Sep 20, 2007 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Newbies aren't necessarily the issue
by pfistyunc on Sep 20, 2007 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny. I have no clue yet I am usually
by garp on Sep 20, 2007 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
by pfistyunc on Sep 20, 2007 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since when are you "people?"
The one conventional wisdom that all people on this board accept (including yourself, it seems)is that you are an asshole.
by garp on Sep 20, 2007 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am an asshole
by pfistyunc on Sep 20, 2007 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: I am an asshole
And he's winning this one.
If the Yanks lose two in a row you'll be back.
It's even hard for someone like you to complain during a stretch like this, so you have nothing to write about.
Almost everything you have said and forecasted about this team has been incorrect. If anyone looks like a dope here, it's you man.
by matthaggs on Sep 20, 2007 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a first
by pfistyunc on Sep 20, 2007 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point. PA has been totally missing
by garp on Sep 20, 2007 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mistake delivery for lack of substance
by pfistyunc on Sep 20, 2007 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: You mistake delivery for lack of substance
by LateInningRelief on Sep 20, 2007 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hardly
by pfistyunc on Sep 20, 2007 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: That's a first
Winning all the time is great for the team but bad for a blog. There's nothing to talk about.
No one is sucking, no one is making bad decisions. No one needs to make suggestions on how to fix something because nothing is broken.
Now if the Yankees were going through something like the Mets or Red Sox are right now, there would be discussions/arguments galore.
by matthaggs on Sep 20, 2007 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Losing does breed discussion
by pfistyunc on Sep 20, 2007 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly my point
If the blog suffers for it, so be it. I'll the winning every time.
by matthaggs on Sep 20, 2007 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is a good point
by pfistyunc on Sep 20, 2007 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: That is a good point
A desperate suggestion.
A bad suggestion that came from frustration.
by Cbeck3 on Sep 21, 2007 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with the part
by garp on Sep 20, 2007 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pfisty,
You are leaving, you say, because there's not a lot of informed baseball talk here, which, in your view, centers on a few core theses: Moose is a bed-shitter, Torre is an ignoramus, the GM is a Cashtard, Abreu is Senor Hustle, etc. And those who offer differing opinions are morons, retards, pussies, gay, etc.
Now, let's take the position that the FO is reading PA. Do you really think they're going to think, gee, this guy really needs to come in from the cold--he really gets it.
Please. If A-Rod leaves the Yankees cuz that's how Boras rolls, if Moose is waived before 2008, if the Yanks lose the WS because Torre blows out the BP, then great. You were right. You can come over here and gloat, and we'll all suck it up.
But how you come to the conclusion that you're bringing the informed opinion is beyond me.
by LateInningRelief on Sep 20, 2007 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
by pfistyunc on Sep 20, 2007 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go cry it to your pussy father.
by garp on Sep 20, 2007 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
When was the last time Abreu tried to bunt?
Giambi isn't at first base right now because he got hit by a pitch.
And Minkie has been making game saving plays there with a few big hits sprinkled in.
When you go to the games, do you watch them, or do you smoke weed in the bathroom and wait for YMCA come on?
You're time away has made you more moronic.
by matthaggs on Sep 20, 2007 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Wow Abreu bunts to try to break a slump
Hit and run is old school baseball. I agree it's often a bad idea, but it is 'conventional' with senior baseball people. Listen when mercer and O'Neil talk about it.
by Cbeck3 on Sep 21, 2007 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never say never
by LateInningRelief on Sep 20, 2007 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I have been here since the
The fact that you consider assertions like "the Yankees can still win the division" and that Detroit is not in the driver's seat when they were 3 games out as absurd is enough evidence for me that you might be a tad clueless.
Either way glad to see you are still alive. I thought that the recent winning streak pushed you to slit your wrists or something. Glad to hear that you found a new place to bitch, moan and complain about the Yankees.
by garp on Sep 20, 2007 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
by pfistyunc on Sep 20, 2007 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow! That did not even make
by garp on Sep 20, 2007 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Who is bill james?
by Cbeck3 on Sep 21, 2007 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Who is bill james?
by jscape2000 on Sep 21, 2007 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Who is bill james?
by jscape2000 on Sep 21, 2007 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
by pfistyunc on Sep 21, 2007 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MG, you know
I did not just have faith in this squad because their the Yanks. I looked at the guys on the field. Objectively they are not all gold glove silver sluggers. But they are a very good group.
by Cbeck3 on Sep 20, 2007 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I noticed it too...
I'm sure Joe has his hands full with River Ave Blues which turned out great I go there every day to check it out... They are even trying in game threads now, but I like the commenting system on this website so much better I have never tried it.
by Edwantsacracker on Sep 20, 2007 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: I noticed it too...
by jscape2000 on Sep 20, 2007 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the input
I know there is a difference to being a Yankee fan and being a baseball fan. The baseball guy looks at the whole league and rationally chooses the best team. They see teh shortcomings in thier team and they want to fix them.
Mike Mussina is getting too old to pitch. I know that. A faceball without movement or speed on it is just batting practice, and we saw some starts that looked like batting practice didn't we?
But then early last season he was the best pitcher on our club. As a Yankee fan (and I know a less intelligent baseball fan) I look at that and say, Moose knows that whatever he did in the offseason this year isn't going to cut it. He knows that he has to do what Stick told him to do and get in the weightroom and put some life back into that faceball.
My Dad says he "adopts" the players. I guess I try to do the same thing.
Thats part of what annoyed me most about the alley earlier in the year. It doesn't annoy me when someone who obviously knows nothing about baseball says something stupid (suzyn waldman being an exception) but when Pfisty is going blowersan this blowersan that... I know that Kei Igawa sucks. I watch the same game. I just wish he didn't.
I wish we could have intelligent conversation about baseball while remaining optimistic fans.
by Edwantsacracker on Sep 21, 2007 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The soberest comment on this thread
I do have to disagree with your second to last paragraph. Yes, we know Igawa sucks, but when some people try to defend him, to me it's worth it to hit that nail again.
Just to get my last few words in, I don't think the doomsday callers were necessarily wrong back in May. We were 1/3 through the season, and the only indication that they would turn it around was the backs of their baseball cards. Thing is, in baseball, there are no guarantees that guys turn it around.
Abreu looked like shit. You figured, based on past performance, that he'd turn it around, but that's no guarantee. You don't know what's going on inside his head and what the condition of his body is.
Who knew Jorge would keep up his torrid pace all season? There is nothing in the past that indicated that he would.
Who knew that Cano would turn it around? Yeah, we all figured he would; we've seen him and his sweet swing for two years. But he's still young. Pitchers were approaching him differently. There are no guarantees that he could make that adjustment.
Thankfully, everything fell into place. They don't always do that, though. We were also greatly aided by a flurry of injuries to the Red Sox. If they stayed healthy, they'd be far ahead of us now. And hey, sometimes teams do stay healthy all year -- 1998 Yanks, 2001 Mariners, anyone. The craziest part is that they were doing so well, and Drew, Manny, and Ortiz weren't hitting near their abilities. It was a legitimate concern in May that they'd get those guys back to pace (you know, like Abreu and Cano did) and just obliterate the competition.
The cards fell our way. They're not always going to do that. When you're 21-29 and your adversary is 36-15, it's time to think that things might not go your way this season.
Sorry for the rant. I just feel that the "we were right!" crew right now is unjustified. Especially garp, who is nothing if not inconsistent.
Yanks and prospects
by PinstripePowerhouse on Sep 21, 2007 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair points
Early on all the complaining bothered me too, but at least it was justified relative to the team's crap performance.
To complain about stuff now doesn't make any sense to me, and some of the people who were complaining early on sound very bitter now, as if maybe a small part of them subconsciously wanted the team to go into the tank so they could post "I told you so."
Get over it and enjoy it while it lasts fellas. This is our best shot in the last four years at #27.
by matthaggs on Sep 21, 2007 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You got it
Yanks and prospects
by PinstripePowerhouse on Sep 21, 2007 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm...why am I not surprised
Igawa and Pavano have not pitched in months. Cairo is long gone. We get it they suck. At some point, though, it is time to move on.
One last point. You guys really need to get over yourselves. This ain't ESPN.
by garp on Sep 21, 2007 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: You're right MG
I do not think I ever was sure we'd do it. Although I expected Bostons problems. Manny and Ortiz are getting on and never in great shape. Based on the history of Japanese pitchers I expected Dice K and Oki to come back to earth. Pap has no history of durability.
I thought our injuries would heal and our slumpers for the most part regress to their history. No guarantees, but we don't have to expect the worst either.
But what really saved us was that the kids did OK. Melky has been a man this year. He has grown a lot in my eyes. Cano too. Viz rallied, Mo rebounded. Joba, IPK, Hughes, adding Rocket, recallin Andy P. We really didn't come back with all the same guys who fell behind. The offensive core really can hit. Even with injury plagued, substandard years from Matsui and Damon this is a good team.
by Cbeck3 on Sep 21, 2007 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think this is a battle
However, being an optimist and knowing baseball are not mutually exclusive.
The issue on PA is one of tone. On May 29, your blog posted this informative discussion on whether Cashman was the problem or the solution.
This, to me, is an informed point/counterpoint. I come down on the side of the Cashman defenders on the post, but both sides of the issue are well-argued and devoid of the PA orthodoxy that turns every semi-controversial opinion into a flame war.
In one of my first experiences here, I posted a diary you may remember on keeping Chamberlain in the bullpen. In this morning's Times, Harvey Araton interviews Rich Gossage on the same topic:
"I really don't see how they can think about making him a starter after what we've seen," Gossage said in a telephone interview. "You can find starters -- I know they have other young kids -- but how are you going to find another character like him? How are you going to replace him? Before he came up, those setup guys were killing them."
I gotta assume Gossage qualifies as a knowledgeable baseball guy.
I'm not trying to revisit the topic, but hoping to shed light on the shaky foundation that the negative guys build for themselves sometimes. When you come down so harshly and so negatively on a reasonable position, driving opposition away, there's going to be a backlash when the weapons of mass destruction don't turn up.
I can't really comment on whether the PA discussions have gotten better/worse/stayed the same over the last 12 months; I've only been posting for 4 or 5 weeks. But I've got a Yale degree. I watch 90% of the Yankee games. And I'm old enough (39) & have managed enough people to be even-handed when it comes to evaluating how to deal with under-performing personnel.
I gotta believe I'm informed enough to venture the opinion that Cashman deserves some credit these days, Moose still has something in the tank, Joba in the bullpen is worth exploring & Torre is the best person to manage the team. You may disagree, but that's really the point of the forum, isn't it?
It's a shame that MG, Pfisty and ReLaunch feel the need to go elsewhere. But if they're going because people disagree with them over whether Abreu should never bunt, that's on them. In my view, they should stick around and take it upon themselves to truly inform the discussion & take the forum to the next level.
by LateInningRelief on Sep 21, 2007 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
To me, there is a huge discrepancy between game threads and topical diaries. It seems like over the last month or so, the game threads have been lame. Perhaps that is just because winning makes us giddy like haggs said or just due to more traffic overall, but I just miss the more informed debate. I am not giving up on PA (and I am trying to convince others to come back), but I just wish there was a way to get back to the good ole days where garp was the village idiot rather than the voice of reason.
by pfistyunc on Sep 21, 2007 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am still trying to figure out why
In your defense, at least you were not as pompous and self-inflated as mg with all his "we regulars" BS talking like this was his site and he was hosting Baseball Tonight.
by garp on Sep 21, 2007 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I was
PA's growing because it is well-threaded and gives non-admins the opportunity to set an agenda. I'd just get used to the bigger tent. Every family needs the uncle who's a little embarrassing. So we've got a few of those. Where would be without somebody giving anaconda agita over all the squirrel references?
by LateInningRelief on Sep 21, 2007 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Springsteen
Yanks and prospects
by PinstripePowerhouse on Sep 21, 2007 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I gotta go with BTR,
by LateInningRelief on Sep 21, 2007 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please, don't bring up the Gossage article
What qualifies Gossage to make these statements? Even the writer, Araton, mentions in his piece that Gossage was a filthy reliever, but had failed in his only season as a starter. So what? We're supposed to believe whatever this former ballplayer -- this clearly biased former ballplayer -- says, just because he threw baseballs?
Your second to last paragraph nails it. I agree with everything but the Joba sentiment. Cashman deserves more than some credit nowadays; Moose still has something in the tank, though recent seasons in which his stamina and durability have declined would suggest that it's not much; Torre is the best person to manage this team this year (seriously, who else would you have brought in last off-season, and if you say Girardi or Pineilla, I'm just going to cease discussion).
I'm not going to re-argue the Chamberlain point. I believe we came to an understanding in the long-ago diary. You have to explore Joba as a starter. To me, it comes down to this. You're drafting your franchise. Who do you take, K-Rod or Santana?
If Joba doesn't work out as a starter -- and he has all the tools to do so -- then you can re-explore the relief role. But if you just keep him in the bullpen, you're basically taking K-Rod when there's a possibility (though clearly not a given) that you're passing up Santana.
Yanks and prospects
by PinstripePowerhouse on Sep 21, 2007 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One more thing
by pfistyunc on Sep 21, 2007 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice, well thought out
If Joba wanted to stay in the pen, like Pap in Boston, I might let him unless a real starter emergency developed.
A point about Gossage. He was a reliever. He naturally thinks of them as key to the team. Someone else might have a different point of view, say a lifelong starter.
I was a soccer goalie. When I watch soccer I usually root for both goalies. I am the only soccer fan I know who hates goals.
by Cbeck3 on Sep 21, 2007 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
That's why I like the outsider perspective. Yes, we have our biases, but they're not as firm as someone who was playing the game for 10 or 15 or 20 years.
Yanks and prospects
by PinstripePowerhouse on Sep 21, 2007 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
After getting my PA colonic on the Joba-in-the-pen argument, I agree that Gossage is wrong on this. As anybody who has ever read Schilling's blog knows, baseball players don't necessarily know anymore about the game than the rest of us.
I was just bringing up Goose's perspective by way of demonstrating that suggesting it ain't the same as suggesting that Betemit should pinch-hit for A-Rod.
by LateInningRelief on Sep 21, 2007 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Point taken, then
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by PinstripePowerhouse on Sep 21, 2007 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good to see you, Joe
Great job over at RAB.
by anaconda on Sep 21, 2007 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I try to make an appearance every now and then
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by PinstripePowerhouse on Sep 21, 2007 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Understood
by anaconda on Sep 21, 2007 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: I noticed it too...
Don't worry, we can still play whiffle ball on the top of lot 3 (and I'll still have my grill there too)
by ReLaunch on Sep 20, 2007 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'll always have Paris...
by LateInningRelief on Sep 20, 2007 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Off-topic
by SP on Sep 21, 2007 1:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Off-topic
That is bizarre. I never knew that. How did you find that out?
by jscape2000 on Sep 21, 2007 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clearly
You know how I know you're gay?
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by PinstripePowerhouse on Sep 21, 2007 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Asia, too
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by PinstripePowerhouse on Sep 21, 2007 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Clearly
by LateInningRelief on Sep 21, 2007 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everybody knows
by docgonzo on Sep 21, 2007 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
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by PinstripePowerhouse on Sep 21, 2007 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh oh,
I swear I am not gay. Just grew up in the 70s.
by LateInningRelief on Sep 21, 2007 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And don't forget
Muskrat, muskrat candlelight
Doin' the town and doin' it right
In the evenin'
It's pretty pleasin'
Muskrat Susie, Muskrat Sam
Do the jitterbug out in muskrat land
And they shimmy
And Sammy's so skinny
And they whirled and they twirled and they tangoed
Singin' and jingin' the jango
Floatin' like the heavens above
It looks like muskrat love
Nibbling on bacon, chewin' on cheese
Sammy says to Susie "Honey, would you please be my missus?"
And she say yes
With her kisses
And now he's ticklin' her fancy
Rubbin' her toes
Muzzle to muzzle, now anything goes
As they wriggle, and Sue starts to giggle
And they whirled and they twirled and they tangoed
Singin' and jingin' the jango
Floatin' like the heavens above
It looks like muskrat love
La da da da da ...
by garp on Sep 21, 2007 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You swear you
by LateInningRelief on Sep 21, 2007 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No need. After all...
Sammy says to Susie "Honey, would you please be my missus?"
And she say yes
With her kisses "
What can I say but "Greatest lyrics ever!"
by garp on Sep 21, 2007 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And...
by LateInningRelief on Sep 21, 2007 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Off-topic
by SP on Sep 21, 2007 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

















