On and on and on and on

by jscape2000 on Aug 30, 2007 10:43 PM EDT in Events

Quick hits:

Cleveland just beat Seattle on a walk-off walk. New York and Seattle are now tied in the loss column.
I have a hard time being excited about this sweep because I felt that we had to have it. At this point, taking three in a row from Boston is only acceptable.
I don't understand sending Joba back out to pitch the 9th, except to announce to the world that the Joba Rules are evolving.
I don't think Joba was throwing at Youk. But Youk is one of those pansies who complains about everything, so if Joba were to throw at him I'd be ok with that.
12 of the Yankees on the acive roster came up through the farm system. The Red Sox? 5. Remember what it was like when it was just Jeter, Mo, Bernie, Andy, and Jorge?
In a 2008 preview, we're throwing Hughes, IPK, and Pettitte against three D-Rays with WHIPs of 1.38, 1.71, and 1.83 respectively. In the past, the Yankees had cases of Red Sox letdown (6-9 in the game following a Red Sox series in the last 3 years). There's no room for that now.
Chris Britton hasn't pitched yet.

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Joba

maybe Torre was trying to get the kid a cheap save.

Plus he only threw 12 pitches in the 8th, and Joba was the best way to avoid having to bring Mo in for the 3rd straight game.

Funny Cashman quote from Kepner of the Times:

Manager Joe Torre had said Chamberlain would need two days off before pitching two innings. After the game, he said the rules had changed to consider pitch count and feedback from Chamberlain. G.M. Brian Cashman, who is trying hard to protect the future of the Yankees' best prospects, differed.

"I don't want to get into specifics, but from my perspective, we have not deviated from the plan," Cashman said. The only difference he has with Torre, he said, is this: "He seems to want to talk about it. I don't."

http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/08/30/kennedy-in-07/

There's good Kennedy-Mussina stuff in there too.

by matthaggs on Aug 30, 2007 10:52 PM EDT 0 recs

I agree with Cash

The knock on Torre has always been predictability, especially when it comes to managing the pen. No need to broadcast our players availability before the game, too.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Aug 30, 2007 11:00 PM EDT up 0 recs

Actually

I think Cashman meant that Torre wants to talk to him and the Tampa braintrust about changing the rules, and Cashman is not interested in having that conversation.

by matthaggs on Aug 30, 2007 11:03 PM EDT up 0 recs

Actually,

though I can't find the NY Post article online, Cashman was further quoted to clarify what he meant. He was referring to the media when he said Torre wanted to talk about it and he didn't, meaning Torre keeps discussing the Joba Rules with the press, when Cashman would simply not say anything about it. Cashman said that there's no dissension about the Joba Rules btwn he and Torre.

by chrisNYY on Aug 31, 2007 10:56 AM EDT up 0 recs

Your points...

"Acceptable" sweep? Come on now. It was great - anytime you go head to head with the team in the lead, you gotta let it all hang out. And we took three. there is no better way to gain ground. Now as we move on to the Dreadful Rays, we need to keep that momentum and even if we win, we play scoreboard baseball, checking scores on Det,Cleve. Sea. and Boston to see if we really made any progress.

No reason to send Joba out for the 9th, Viz or Britton would be better choices, with Mo ready to close just in case. But this is Joe, need we say more?

Wrong move. We don't need distractions from the media...especially since they will badger Joba for a juicy quote and we don't need to give the bad guys something to get fired up over. The game was over. The sweep was over. Send the whiners home crying. Its all gonna come up again in Boston in 2 weeks.

Oh those bases on balls. Can anyone here throw strikes???

by mickey07 on Aug 31, 2007 12:01 AM EDT 0 recs

Well said

"You play the game to win the game, and not to worry about what's on the back of the baseball card at the end of the year." - Paul O'Neill

by yankee come lately on Aug 31, 2007 2:53 AM EDT up 0 recs

If we'd

only taken 2 of 3 and were still seven games back, the division race would be over. The only way we were going to put any pressure on them at all was by sweeping.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Aug 31, 2007 10:24 AM EDT up 0 recs

Viz needed the rest too

Farnsy was not available. This was the spot for Britton with Edwar as second choice. Edwar did the job ok.

The Opera ain't over til the fat lady sings

by Cbeck3 on Aug 31, 2007 8:59 AM EDT up 0 recs

Hopefully

Farnsuck will not be available in an important for the rest of the season

Pride, Power, Cocktease

by ReLaunch on Aug 31, 2007 9:06 AM EDT up 0 recs

Hopefully

Farnsuck will not be available in an important for the rest of the season

Pride, Power, Cocktease

by ReLaunch on Aug 31, 2007 9:06 AM EDT up 0 recs

Think Joba's going to get suspended?

Regardless, the Red Sux should stop moaning and bitching. They hit Yankees batters all the goddamn time.

by PsiFighter37 on Aug 31, 2007 3:31 AM EDT 0 recs

if they do suspend him

it will be absolutely ridiculous.

even if joba was intentionally throwing at youk, sox pitchers have been throwing at yankees without consequence for the last five years.

david ortiz and manny ramirez combined have been hit four times in that time frame. jeter and a-rod have been hit over 20.

by Clutch like Leyritz on Aug 31, 2007 6:49 AM EDT up 0 recs

Jeter & A-rod

crowd the plate much more than papi & manny. That's why they've been hit so much more. I don't think there's been as much intentional hitting as people think.

If this stat was between the whitesox & d-rays, would anyone even know/care?

IF Joba was tossing @ youks head ... pretty unacceptable. Even if it's the other way around (ie pedro tossing @ a-rods head), I'ts wrong.

Only joba knows if it was intentional. The look on his face after being tossed is either great acting, or it was unintentional. But, really, who misses that badly 2x in a row... it is possible though. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, but I'm not sure MLB will.

by kevindineen on Aug 31, 2007 9:52 AM EDT 0 recs

Rick

Ankiel

by detroit yankee on Aug 31, 2007 9:59 AM EDT up 0 recs

haha

let's never again compare Joba to Ankiel unless it comes in the WS when Joba hits a HR in his first AB.

"It's great to be young and a Yankee"

by stillmonster on Aug 31, 2007 11:52 AM EDT up 0 recs

Crowding the plate...

That's simply not true. Papi stands the closest to the plate out of the 4 batters. Jeter actually doesn't stand close to the plate, but he dives in toward the plate, which is partly why he gets hit so much (that, plus the fact that the book is to pitch him inside). A-Rod simply does not crowd the plate--he's about average, though his elbow does stay cocked out a bit. Manny probably stands the furthest away of them all, and therefore is least likely to get hit.

The simple fact of the matter is, the disparity in hit batsmen between the 2 teams is not a mere reflection of batters' distance from the plate. If anything, the biggest factors are that a) Torre doesn't like to retaliate, and b) when we haven't had Clemens, our pitching staff has been comprised largely of guys (e.g. Moose) who aren't exactly vigilantes.

"God, I just love baseball." - Robert Redford in The Natural

by uflyibuy on Aug 31, 2007 10:11 AM EDT up 0 recs

As for papi

He's lethal on the inside of the plate... that's why he doesn't get hit, no one wants to pitch him in there for fear of missing & leaving it over the plate...

I stand by the fact that (well maybe other than pedro) the disparity isnt' the result of "vigilaniism"...

But tha tbeing said, pedro could actually be responsible for the disparity himself... but take him out of the equasion (I know... hard to do) & it's about even I'd bet.

by kevindineen on Aug 31, 2007 12:01 PM EDT up 0 recs

Its either

the last 5 or 7 years, In the Yanks Sox series, Yanks have been hit by sox pitching 71times compared to 50 times by Yank pitching to Sox. Sox player and fans have no right to complain and bitch about this. They are the ones that started this whole mess in the first place.

Pride, Power, Cocktease

by ReLaunch on Aug 31, 2007 11:16 AM EDT up 0 recs

I dont think

Joba threw intentionally at youks...for what reason would he have?
I think a kid that young and new to the league would be crazy to throw at someones head twice in a row, nevermind a seasoned player.
He was throwing hard and maybe was trying to throw the same pitch twice in a row and just lost control...at leat thats what seems to me...if it was intentional then I would loose respect for him throwing at someones head.

by yankeebaseball on Aug 31, 2007 10:11 AM EDT 0 recs

What reason?

In Arods first atbat of the series Dice K hit him squarely in the ribs. This was not a little tick like when Rocket his the runt a glancing blow near the elbow, it was solid in the ribcage, centered. It looked intentional to me.

I called for retaliation. (See the diary "By the way...")

The usual retaliation for hitting a 4th hitter is hitting or KNOCKING DOWN the other 4th hitter.

The kid had good control. Those went exactly where he meant them to.

Joba didn't hit anyone. This was a warning. I do not know what all the arm waving and lip flapping is about.

The Ump was out of line. He should have warned, probably on the first one.

There's bad blood between these teams. It may not be over.

The Opera ain't over til the fat lady sings

by Cbeck3 on Aug 31, 2007 10:54 AM EDT up 0 recs

Check out the Boston Globe

Here's the link to the Globe's article on Joba's high and tights.

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/08/31/chamberlain_has_created_plenty_of_b uzz/

by GrandEd on Aug 31, 2007 10:44 AM EDT 0 recs

even they

don't seem convinced it was intentional. I can't see why it would be. It doesn't make sense for a young kid with a chance to have the stadium go crazy on his final strikeout, to do it.

I don't think it was intentional and it seems that most people don't.

But RedSux Nation will turn this into a major brouhaha. Expect fireworks in Fenway in 2 weeks.

"The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided." -Casey Stengel

by bxgrl1 on Aug 31, 2007 12:23 PM EDT up 0 recs

The unintentional mindf**k

I don't think he's got the experience to have scripted something this good.

From the Globe piece:

"They had come to bury the Yankees. Instead, the Yankees have risen, not only in their hunt for the wild card, but in pursuit of another division title with 28 games left. Sound familiar? It should. That was Boston's lead with 28 games left in 1978."

This is the Boston paper, mind you. He is wayyy deep in their psyche already.

by chrisNYY on Aug 31, 2007 12:36 PM EDT up 0 recs