Players may stay or go depending on Torre's status
Yes, its another classic from George King. This does though bring up a pretty interesting point for many of us that want Torre gone. There maybe a chance these players will not come back if Torre isn't here.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/08242007/sports/yankees/split_decision_lies_ahead.htm
The man in the manager's office will have a huge impact on what the Yankees' 2008 roster will look like.
While the Yankees are involved in two races - the AL East and wild card - there is no avoiding what looms beyond this season. Joe Torre is doing a wonderful job as a lame-duck manager, and his future will have an impact on what free agents Jorge Posada, Mariano Rivera, Andy Pettitte and Roger Clemens will do following the World Series. Since Alex Rodriguez doesn't have the history the others do with Torre, the manager's future doesn't expect to play a role in Rodriguez' decision to opt out and become a free agent or stay.
However, it will impact what Posada does.
"I don't see myself playing for anybody else," the All-Star told The Post.
So, if Torre leaves, does that mean Posada goes, too?
"Let's see who is coming in," the catcher said.
GM Brian Cashman's stance since the start of spring training is that the focus is on 2007. That meant Torre, Rivera and Posada have to wait until after the season to see where they fit. The same went for Rodriguez, but at the All-Star break word leaked out the Yankees were willing to talk about an extension with the MVP candidate, but he shut that down quickly.
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I disagree...
Lots of people say JOe's major strength is keeping the huge egos of these huge contract players in line. Maybe. I think they love Joe because he always...always...protects his players. You almost got the feeling Moose threw a no-hitter the other night against the Angels when listening to Joe.
I do agree its time for Joe to move on. I personally think Girardi would be a great next choice...especially if you agree that bullpen management is a big need. I think Girardi would also make the tough decisions on who plays and who sits. When Joe says he is resting Matsui, he is really saying I don't want to hear Damon whine. But this is a whole other subject.
by mickey07 on Aug 24, 2007 9:29 AM EDT 0 recs
Can't let one player hold the franchise hostage
by pfistyunc on Aug 24, 2007 9:32 AM EDT 0 recs
Plus
Posada to the Mets is vomit inducing. But it seems like the don't want LoDuca back, and Posada knows Willie very well. That sound you hear is his price tag going through the roof.
by matthaggs on
Aug 24, 2007 9:38 AM EDT
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Does depend
Bottom line: Posada stays, Rivera stays, Torre goes.
by Ronster22 on Aug 24, 2007 9:54 AM EDT 0 recs
Chamberlain, Hughes and Kennedy
Another erroneous slam of Torre. It's hard to keep track of them all.
by matthaggs on
Aug 24, 2007 10:02 AM EDT
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Do you really
by ReLaunch on
Aug 24, 2007 10:06 AM EDT
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Not the point
And yes, all organizations have Joba rules. Why Cashman chose to make them public is beyond me. Now the opponent knows when he is unavailable.
by matthaggs on
Aug 24, 2007 10:14 AM EDT
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Uhh, which
by ReLaunch on
Aug 24, 2007 10:38 AM EDT
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Boston
by matthaggs on
Aug 24, 2007 10:47 AM EDT
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They are
The only reason those rules exist is because what Torre was done with his relief pitchers.
by ReLaunch on
Aug 24, 2007 10:57 AM EDT
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That
They won't pitch Paps 3 days in a row, that's at least one strict rule that has been made public about him.
by matthaggs on
Aug 24, 2007 11:05 AM EDT
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Would you ...
Frankly, I don't want him anywhere near the holy trinity next year.
by Ronster22 on
Aug 24, 2007 10:18 AM EDT
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And the award for exaggeration goes to....
by pfistyunc on
Aug 24, 2007 10:21 AM EDT
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Torre is now equivalent to a pedophile?
Torre's now like every other manager in the league: he's got to balance his veterans with his prospects, get a couple breaks and get all cylinders pumping at the right time. Let's see what happens in the next month or so.
by chrisNYY on
Aug 24, 2007 10:56 AM EDT
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A pitching pedophile
by Ronster22 on
Aug 24, 2007 11:52 AM EDT
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I've never won anything ...
by Ronster22 on
Aug 24, 2007 11:51 AM EDT
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Of course
by pfistyunc on
Aug 24, 2007 12:07 PM EDT
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Does nice work
by Ronster22 on
Aug 24, 2007 12:44 PM EDT
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"Dainty fingers"
I doubt he's every been refered to as dainty in his life.
by jscape2000 on
Aug 24, 2007 3:13 PM EDT
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I think the dainty
by pfistyunc on
Aug 24, 2007 3:26 PM EDT
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I've heard the rumors
by Ronster22 on
Aug 24, 2007 4:14 PM EDT
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And I agree that Torre won't decide it
My money's on Girardi as well. I have no idea what sort of manager Mattingly would make.
by chrisNYY on
Aug 24, 2007 11:01 AM EDT
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A little extreme...
I've never heard any other team with strict rules on pitching/off days. I think it is specifically addressed to keep Joe from using him up.
Myth 1...middle relievers are interchangeable
Myth 2...Joba rules are to preserve his arm. Its to keep Joe away.
As much as I like the Bronx Babies, I'm not sure about going into '08 with these three as starters.
by mickey07 on Aug 24, 2007 10:57 AM EDT 0 recs
Not with
by ReLaunch on
Aug 24, 2007 10:58 AM EDT
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That's not smart or fair
by Cbeck3 on
Aug 24, 2007 4:41 PM EDT
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He had
by ReLaunch on
Aug 24, 2007 5:51 PM EDT
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Hahahahah
by yankeechaser on
Aug 27, 2007 6:01 PM EDT
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I finally figured it out
by pfistyunc on
Aug 27, 2007 8:01 PM EDT
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So what's the pitching roster?
Pettitte
Hughes
Chamberlain
Wang
And...
Kennedy in long relief??? Can't keep that guy in Scranton next year.
by chrisNYY on
Aug 24, 2007 11:09 AM EDT
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Why not?
This is still IPK's first pro season, so I think he should start the year in AAA (which a 100 pitch/game limit). It gives him the chance to build up his stamina and get regular work.
by jscape2000 on
Aug 24, 2007 12:30 PM EDT
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"Holy Cow"...
Actually, you're probably on target. I gotta believe he's still got something left. Just needs to get back on track.
by chrisNYY on
Aug 24, 2007 12:39 PM EDT
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That is more of a reflection of his salary
by pfistyunc on
Aug 24, 2007 12:45 PM EDT
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I'll make a prediction
by chrisNYY on
Aug 24, 2007 12:49 PM EDT
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I've got one too
by pfistyunc on
Aug 24, 2007 12:56 PM EDT
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And I would argue...
by chrisNYY on
Aug 24, 2007 11:10 AM EDT
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Mismanagement ...
Torre's maddening lefty/righty crap goes too far and frankly backfires too often for my taste.
MLB pitchers should be able to get out both lefties and righties, period.
by Ronster22 on Aug 24, 2007 11:55 AM EDT 0 recs
Okay
by chrisNYY on
Aug 24, 2007 12:42 PM EDT
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The last several years ...
It's time for Girardi.
by Ronster22 on
Aug 24, 2007 12:46 PM EDT
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One other thought...
by chrisNYY on Aug 24, 2007 12:45 PM EDT 0 recs
It was his
He uses Viz in blowouts, just dumb.
by ReLaunch on
Aug 24, 2007 12:52 PM EDT
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Ability
But moreso than that is the recovery time. Mo has shown that he didn't need alot of recovery time. Sturtze, Proctor, Farnsworth do. So as Joe tapped these guys night after night, their abilities diminished.
Bullpen strategy/philosophy is interesting. I have completely different thoughts on the subject than Joe, and most others.
by Ronster22 on
Aug 24, 2007 12:53 PM EDT
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Sturtze and Farnsworth
Sturtze was a starter before he came here. 195 IP followed by 224 IP for the DRays in '01 and '02.
The most work he ever got under Torre was 64 games and 78 innings. His arm just went bad. It happens.
Farnsworth 72 games, 66 innings. He is underworked if anything.
Rivera was 61 games and 107 innings in 1996.
Proctor was 83 games, but 102 innings, 5 less than Mo.
by matthaggs on
Aug 24, 2007 1:14 PM EDT
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We have a winner...
by chrisNYY on
Aug 24, 2007 1:32 PM EDT
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Innings are
Torre does do somethings very well, but defending his bullpen managment is borderline retarded.
by ReLaunch on
Aug 24, 2007 1:45 PM EDT
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I hear you
My basic point through all of this crap is this: yes, Vizcaino, and Proctor before him have been abused and overused.
BUT, I'm not completely convinced less rest would make them better pitchers than what they are. It's more ability that they need, not more rest.
by matthaggs on
Aug 24, 2007 1:54 PM EDT
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I think
by ReLaunch on
Aug 24, 2007 2:06 PM EDT
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Torre
almost everybody is pretty much in agreement of his bullpen management skills.
by NumberSeven on
Aug 24, 2007 2:13 PM EDT
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I know, he
by ReLaunch on
Aug 24, 2007 2:16 PM EDT
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i agree
by NumberSeven on
Aug 24, 2007 2:31 PM EDT
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Nelson
by matthaggs on
Aug 24, 2007 2:26 PM EDT
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And that injury
by ReLaunch on
Aug 24, 2007 2:29 PM EDT
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We agree
by ReLaunch on
Aug 24, 2007 2:50 PM EDT
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It was the man
But Torre clearly does not manage the bullpen as well as he did when he started here.
by jscape2000 on
Aug 24, 2007 3:09 PM EDT
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Um
It's going from excellent relievers to subpar relievers.
His style is the same, there's just less ability out there.
by matthaggs on
Aug 24, 2007 3:32 PM EDT
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And
by matthaggs on
Aug 24, 2007 3:40 PM EDT
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That's my point
by Ronster22 on
Aug 24, 2007 4:07 PM EDT
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And...
Its kinda like your boss telling you hey I need you to work this weekend because the other guys couldn't get it done.
by mickey07 on Aug 24, 2007 3:46 PM EDT 0 recs
Lefty righty thing
It's a crazy way to manage a pen, and the few guys in college and on the AAU level that utilize this style are often burned.
by Ronster22 on
Aug 24, 2007 4:12 PM EDT
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I hope we bring Joe back next year.
Has he said anything about whether he wants to come back?
by Cbeck3 on Aug 24, 2007 4:48 PM EDT 0 recs
to my knowledge
by goyankees on
Aug 24, 2007 6:52 PM EDT
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There were
by ReLaunch on
Aug 24, 2007 6:54 PM EDT
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just out of curiousity
by goyankees on
Aug 24, 2007 8:07 PM EDT
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I work in
by ReLaunch on
Aug 24, 2007 8:30 PM EDT
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Translation
by pfistyunc on
Aug 24, 2007 9:58 PM EDT
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A professional opinion please
by Cbeck3 on
Aug 24, 2007 10:08 PM EDT
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Libel
by pfistyunc on
Aug 24, 2007 11:12 PM EDT
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I'm a teacher
by jscape2000 on
Aug 24, 2007 11:12 PM EDT
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Thanks
by jscape2000 on
Aug 24, 2007 11:20 PM EDT
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Social work and therapy
Insert creative joke here, fellas.
by anaconda on
Aug 24, 2007 11:22 PM EDT
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You must feel like you never leave work
by pfistyunc on
Aug 24, 2007 11:24 PM EDT
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There you go....
I should probably add "bouncer" to my list of duties because I often get into skirmishes with clientèle with serious behavioral issues.
Luckily, no serious injuries in 7 years (knock on wood).
by anaconda on
Aug 24, 2007 11:40 PM EDT
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