How the Hell Are They Still in This?
I've been thinking about those Wild Card leading Mariner, and how they've defied all my expectations.
Regulars to the forum know that I put a lot of faith in run differentials (the difference between a team's runs scored and runs allowed). They give you a quick and simple way to evaluate a team's pitching and defense, and their offense. Using a simple formula, differentials can be used to calculate an expected winning percentage.
But there are flaws to this approach, too. Differentials assume that all runs are equal. We all know that a single run in the 10th inning of a tie game is worth more than average.
The Mariners are 18 games over .500. We'd expect them to be only 1 game over .500.
Baseball Prospectus says that the Mariners are among the worst defensive teams in the major leagues, turning only 68.5% of ball in play into outs.
Seattle's offense doesn't seem especially impressive either but they rank 6th in the AL in OBP, and 4th in SLG. Last year's Tigers played a similar combination of OPS into a pennant.
But Seattle's pitching is nowhere close to what the Tigers had... is it?
Their starters have an unbelievably bad 1.552 WHIP with only 5.8 K/9.
Their relievers have a pedestrian 1.393 WHIP with a better 7.2 K/9.
So how have they won?
They have the best closer in baseball. They have the best setup tandem you hear nothing about in Sherril and Morrow .
Those three men (and when they are used) are the difference. In games the Mariners lose, they lose by an average of 4.057 runs. In games the Mariners win, they win by an average of 3.366 runs. Over a full season that's a huge swing.
We've talked about how bad starters aren't always bad, but inconsistent. Imagine a team staffed by Randy Johnsons and Mike Mussinas- you never know which version is going to show up. But that staff of inconsistent starters happens to be paired with the best bullpen in baseball. If the good version shows up, they make the most of it and win that game.
And the big question: (drum roll, please)
Can they keep this up for the last month of the season?
I'm worried that they can- in which case we'll soon be fighting the Angels for the wild card. For the record, in the last six years, only three teams have managed to finish the season ten or more games off the expected record: the 2006 Indians (under), 2005 D-backs (over), and the 2004 Yankees (over).
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Don't worry the Rangers will slow them down
by BillyBobisdrunk on Aug 23, 2007 12:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sammy Sosa
by LongBeachDave on Aug 24, 2007 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sammy Sosa
0-0 0 runs batted in
by LongBeachDave on Aug 24, 2007 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not just those three guys in the bullpen
Ryan-Rowland Smith:3.47 ERA, 10.41 K/9, 3.38 K/BB
Eric O'Flaherty:3.48 ERA
by Goose on Aug 23, 2007 10:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The rest of the bullpen is certainly good
by jscape2000 on Aug 23, 2007 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah. JJ and Sherrill are certianly the cream
Morrow can be dominating at times, but his control disappears alot of the time too. He also pretty much just has one pitch, a crazy awesome fastball. Though he has flashed a good split from time to time.
Green is actually higher on the depth chart IMO as far as goodness. He had the one bad outing against the Twins last week that saw his ERA rise a half a point, but his good K rates combined with his crazy good groundball rates have made him arguably our most reliable non JJ reliever.
Oh and the M's also have Mark Lowe who should be up when rosters expand. This systems spits out good relievers like they are going out of style.
by Goose on Aug 23, 2007 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think McLaren
by jscape2000 on Aug 23, 2007 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The latter.
Sadly enough, most of us want Hargrove back. McClaren's dumbassery is astounding.
by Goose on Aug 23, 2007 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They have been
by Mr Farley on Aug 23, 2007 10:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Look who's talking.
by Coach Owens on Aug 23, 2007 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I presume
by ReLaunch on Aug 23, 2007 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it says "Visiting Mariners Fan"
Dude, that guy did not say that the Mariners were a good team. All he said was the Yankees have been playing just as poor teams as the Mariners have.
He didn't say anything about the staff, the line-up, and he didn't even point out how awesome the bullpen is.
by Will D on Aug 23, 2007 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
by ReLaunch on Aug 23, 2007 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Mariners can keep winning we'll
The Mariner sched is really tough. LAA 7 NYY 3 DET 3 Clev 5 Oakland 6. Yipe. 24 against over .500 teams
The Angels add Clev 6 Oakland 6 to their Seatle 7. 19 against over .500 teams. I think this is advantage Angels, since they are already ahead.
Boston has NYY 6 Oakland 2 MIN 4 12 against over .500.
The Yanks have Det 3, Sea 3, Boston 6 12 against over .500 teams. We'll need some help to catch Boston. I think the schedule favors them.
If we just keep winning, and we have the Schedule to do that, we'll squeak in somewhere.
Needless to say the upcoming Detroit and Boston series are huge. Our next 6 days have 6 of our 12 remaining games against over .500 teams, GO YANKEES!
by Cbeck3 on Aug 23, 2007 11:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Please ignore Coach
by Addicted to Quack on Aug 24, 2007 12:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Seconded
No need to let Coach Owens' status as an annoying troll spoil what's otherwise a good dialogue.
by thejew4u on Aug 24, 2007 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
by jscape2000 on Aug 24, 2007 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry jscape2000.
by Coach Owens on Aug 24, 2007 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't worry about
by jscape2000 on Aug 24, 2007 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mariners leading Wild Card
by LongBeachDave on Aug 24, 2007 1:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Weaver has actually been quite good for the
by Goose on Aug 24, 2007 2:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Side note
Here's a link to the tracker's specific thread. He's not quite as high on the Yanks as Pythag, but still has them 7 games over Seattle at the end of September.
by thejew4u on Aug 24, 2007 2:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Heh, people actually pay attention to Matt's
by Goose on Aug 24, 2007 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would
by jscape2000 on Aug 24, 2007 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Truthfully though,
by Coach Owens on Aug 24, 2007 2:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
angels fans input
by Sorbo182 on Aug 24, 2007 6:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Amen to that
by Cbeck3 on Aug 24, 2007 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs



















