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by jscape2000 on Aug 12, 2007 9:22 PM EDT in Events

What's the best way to evaluate this weekend?

The rise to a 68% chance of making the playoffs?
The twenty-two runs scored?
The three walks Yankee pitchers allowed?

Should we look at the big picture?

How the offense is on pace for 1000 runs?
The resurgence of Bobby Abreu and the C&C boys?
The power added to the pen by Dukka Dukka Chaimberlain?

Let's evaluate the weekend and the season this way:

The Boston Globe:

"We should have won three games out of three and I ... blew two of them," Gagne said in a profanity-laced rant. "They brought me in to do a job and I'm not doing it. It's ridiculous. These guys play eight great innings and I go out there and blow it. It's a shame."

Over the Monster:

And my favorite, from TragiSox. M. Murphy is a buddy of mine from grad school. Give him some traffic, but be nice (we've still got ground to cover).

Theo made this trade to win himself those fucking headlines: "The Best Bullpen in Baseball Just Got Better" -- despite the fact that the trade was not in the best interest of the team. The bullpen has gotten much worse quickly, because Oki's role is now uncertain, and Gagne is pitching disastrously in key spots. And a great starting pitching prospect--Kason Gabbard--is somewhere else. All this so reporters wouldn't get on Theo like they did last year for not making a move before the deadline.

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Lets let

the Sux just complain their way to second...as long as the Yanks continue this way of playing then not only will we be in first by the end of the season, but we'll cause a few heart attacks on the way there :)

God is a Yankee fan

by DarksideJU08 on Aug 13, 2007 12:21 AM EDT reply actions

one more thing..

I liked how you pointed out OTM...I just checked out their site and I really enjoyed all the sweating going on over there...it was a blast
But we aint done yet...lets just keep up the pace...good job jscape on the info..I always appreciate it like the rest of us here at PA do.

God is a Yankee fan

by DarksideJU08 on Aug 13, 2007 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions

Aw shucks

Thanks.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Aug 13, 2007 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions

<sniffle>What about me?</sniffle>

by anaconda on Aug 13, 2007 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions

jscape is doing great!

by John Amato on Aug 13, 2007 1:39 AM EDT reply actions

Cool standings

gives us a 77% chance in the playoffs
and they seem to view the M's as longshots as well

http://www.coolstandings.com/baseball_standings.asp?i=1

by beantownbosoxh8er on Aug 13, 2007 8:07 AM EDT reply actions

i almost

spit out my coffee when i saw that steve phillips had the M's as the wild card and the yankees sitting at home with his playoff predictions on espn this morning.

by Clutch like Leyritz on Aug 13, 2007 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions

Its Steve Phillips. You really

don't see any teams calling to have him as their GM.

Pride, Power, Cocktease

by ReLaunch on Aug 13, 2007 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions

isn't he the guy

who traded Kazmir for Zambrano (not the good one)?

by beantownbosoxh8er on Aug 13, 2007 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions

Nah, that

was after he left. One of the dumbest moves for the Mets franchise.

Pride, Power, Cocktease

by ReLaunch on Aug 13, 2007 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions

who was it?

And are they still employed?

by beantownbosoxh8er on Aug 13, 2007 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions

I believe

it was Duquette

Pride, Power, Cocktease

by ReLaunch on Aug 13, 2007 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions

Sox

Another way to look at it- if NY is tied for the wild card, and they're 4 behind the Sox, the Sox are only 4 games away from not making the playoffs. Kind of funny for a team that's been planning its playoff rotation since June.

by SP on Aug 13, 2007 8:23 AM EDT reply actions

This is awesome.

Its on another Boston blog, but their fans think the world is over and the Sox have a 4 game lead!

http://boards.boston.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=381&nav=messages&webtag=bc-redsox&tid=3410 4

Pride, Power, Cocktease

by ReLaunch on Aug 13, 2007 9:05 AM EDT reply actions

if you want great

"woe is me' radio listen to WEEI www.weei.com

any time from 10-2 or even better 2-6.
today will be something similar to suicide hotline radio.

You would think that the sox are 4 behind not in front by listening to them.

by beantownbosoxh8er on Aug 13, 2007 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions

Phillips is wrong

The Yankees have too many weapons, and in looking over both schedules, I have to give the nod to the Yankees (barring any injuries). For the first time all season (and perhaps because I've been getting frantic emails from my buddy Brian who is a huge Sux fan), I believe we can win this freakin' division outright.

Here's hoping Gagne continues to Farnsworth every appearance!

"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will

by Ronster22 on Aug 13, 2007 12:29 PM EDT reply actions

And just 10 days ago we heard...

"Sigh
Okay, we've surrended all hopes of winning the division. Now we pin our hopes on the Wild Card--certainly within our reach ... But even if we do make it, I fear we are done--as well all know good pitching shuts down good hitting...

"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will

by Ronster22 on Wed Aug 01, 2007 at 01:07:48 PM PDT"

Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier. The cigars taste better. The trees are greener. --Billy Martin

by garp on Aug 13, 2007 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions

Ha

You want even worse, go find some pfisty from May.

by SP on Aug 13, 2007 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm big enough ...

to admit when I've strayed from the track.
For the first time all season, I actually feel like we have some hope. I'm actually encourged. It's kinda' like showering with Irish Spring!

"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will

by Ronster22 on Aug 13, 2007 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions

Hahaha

Pride, Power, Cocktease

by ReLaunch on Aug 13, 2007 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions

I love

that Farnsworth is now a verb.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Aug 13, 2007 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions

It's a legacy

We had "Sax"ing the ball, "Knoblaughing it", now it's Farnsworthing the appearance.

"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will

by Ronster22 on Aug 13, 2007 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions

Gag(ne)ing it

Was Farnsworth ever this bad?
And to open an old can of worms does any of this mean Cashman deserves to stay? And does he deserve any credit for the Yankees turn around?

Thank you Aaron Boone.

by costa on Aug 13, 2007 4:48 PM EDT reply actions

It is actually quite simple, if the Yanks

make the playoffs then Cashman stays. By the way, if the Yanks win the WS, Torre stays too. Some of you may not like it, but winning counts for something.

Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier. The cigars taste better. The trees are greener. --Billy Martin

by garp on Aug 13, 2007 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions

disagree...

if they win the world series i think torre rides off into the sunset. as we can see (since 2001), next year ain't always gonna be better.

i think cash stays no matter what at this point.

Well, baseball was my whole life. Nothing's ever been as fun as baseball. -Mickey Mantle

by NumberSeven on Aug 13, 2007 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions

I agree about Cashman

He's coming back next year regardless.

I said back in Spring Training that this would be Torre's last season and I'm sticking to it.

by anaconda on Aug 13, 2007 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions

He would ride off only if he wants to...

and I really don't think he wants to. You seem to have forgotten the eupohoria that comes with winning a World Series. He will get whatever he wants.

Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier. The cigars taste better. The trees are greener. --Billy Martin

by garp on Aug 13, 2007 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions

Disagree

I think he's got a sense of perspective. His good friends Zim and Mel have moved on. He must sense the distrust that comes from certain corners of the organization. They could keep him on in a Reggie Jackson advisor type role, but I think Joe knows he's done here.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Aug 13, 2007 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions

I guess that we will have to

just wait and see. Hopefully the Yanks will win the WS and I can be proven right.

Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier. The cigars taste better. The trees are greener. --Billy Martin

by garp on Aug 13, 2007 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions

So true because the goal is

not just to win a World Series, it is to...uh...What is the goal again? Oh yeah. It's to win a World Series. Sorry to break it to you but no manager or GM gets fired after winning a WS.

Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier. The cigars taste better. The trees are greener. --Billy Martin

by garp on Aug 14, 2007 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions

But they do retire

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Aug 14, 2007 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions

That is true, but my point is

and always has been that it is up to him.

Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier. The cigars taste better. The trees are greener. --Billy Martin

by garp on Aug 14, 2007 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions

Not if they win the WS.

It seems to me that you have no clue as to why these guys play this game. Here is a clue, if they win it all, that's it. I am sure that you will find a reason to bitch and moan during the parade but luckily you will be pretty much alone in that endeavor.

Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier. The cigars taste better. The trees are greener. --Billy Martin

by garp on Aug 14, 2007 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions

As I said before, hopefully they will

win the WS this year so that I can be proven right. Since you obviously do not remember the awful 80's and early 90s of overpriced underachievement, it is a waste of time to try to explain to you exactly how hard it is to win a World Series and that you don't mess with a winner.

Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier. The cigars taste better. The trees are greener. --Billy Martin

by garp on Aug 14, 2007 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions

Right! Because it is not about

winning the World Series, it's about...uhm...I'm lost here. What's it about again?

Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier. The cigars taste better. The trees are greener. --Billy Martin

by garp on Aug 14, 2007 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions

Uhm...most people would think

that if he was good enough to win another WS, then maybe he is.

You are sounding silly now so maybe you should just stop.

Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier. The cigars taste better. The trees are greener. --Billy Martin

by garp on Aug 14, 2007 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions

I have little doubt that you will be

disappointed no matter what happens. That appears to be built into your DNA. I, on the other hand, will be delighted after they win another WS.

Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier. The cigars taste better. The trees are greener. --Billy Martin

by garp on Aug 14, 2007 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions

VALENTINE?

Are you trying to get Arod to leave town?

That would be a good way to do it.

He might be the last person I'd pick to manage the Yanks.

by matthaggs on Aug 14, 2007 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions

And obviously,

winners need not apply.

Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier. The cigars taste better. The trees are greener. --Billy Martin

by garp on Aug 14, 2007 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions

Just for laughs

who is your choice to replace him?

by matthaggs on Aug 14, 2007 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah

Putting a 21 year old kid into a one run game in the 8th inning, and putting another 21 year old in the starting rotation, and choosing to put a 23 yeard old kid in CF every day - that's not trusting young guys at all.

He'll trust anyone if they're good players.

Torre is staying right where he is. Deal with it.

by matthaggs on Aug 14, 2007 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions

He doesn't trust Farnsy at all

He's stuck with him and his salary.

And he does have a choice. He could have used a well rested Viz in the 8th last night but he CHOSE to use Joba.

He could have just let Damon hit, but he CHOSE to pinch hit Duncan.

You're complaints about Torre might have been valid in April and May, and they might again be valid if the Yanks miss the playoffs by a few games, but right now, it's hard to believe you don't recognize what a moron you sound like. He's pressing all the right buttons right now.

by matthaggs on Aug 14, 2007 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions

You are so hateful of Torre

You're not watching the games.

They got Betemit, everyone said Torre wouldn't use him. Yet it seems to me he's finding ways to use him just about every day.

They bring up Joba, everyone said he wouldn't trust a kid. Yet there he was in the 8th inning against Tejada last night.

Giambi and Damon are both healthy, both making superstar money, and not one complaint has come from them about sitting on the bench a couple of times a week. I happen to think that has a ton to do with the manager. Duncan pinch hit for Damon last night!

I'm guessing you're too young to remember how god awful it was here during the 80's and early 90's. That's gotta be why you take Torre for granted the way you do.

by matthaggs on Aug 14, 2007 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions

You should read this:

Here's an excerpt, memorize it.

"At the time, I honestly believed what I was preaching. As a former baseball writer at Sports Illustrated, I'd closely monitored the Yankees through the years, from their startling rise in 1996 to the dramatic letdown in Arizona six seasons ago to the more recent crushers at the hands of lesser franchises like Anaheim, Florida and Detroit. I'd seen Torre at his best, allowing self-motivated veterans like Chili Davis and Tim Raines be themselves, and I'd seen Torre at (what I perceived to be) his worst earlier this season, sitting listlessly on the bench as losses mounted with staggering regularity.

Thing is, I failed to afford Torre the one thing he deserved: the benefit of the doubt. When you win and win and win, one poor start does not a nightmare make. From Vince Lombardi to Tom Landry to Davey Johnson to Phil Jackson, our sports are filled with excellent coaches who triumphed despite arduous rough patches. It's happened before. It'll happen again. It's happening now.

In New York. With the Yankees. Joe Torre's Yankees."

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=pearlman/070813&sportCat=mlb

by matthaggs on Aug 14, 2007 1:58 PM EDT reply actions