Torre: Surgery possible for Pavano

by docgonzo on May 4, 2007 10:43 PM EDT

In case nobody saw this...

NEW YORK (AP) -- Yankees manager Joe Torre raised the possibility that Carl Pavano would need surgery, and general manager Brian Cashman admitted the oft-injured pitcher has been a bust with New York since signing a $39.95 million, four-year contract.

"It clearly hasn't worked out. There's no doubt about that," Cashman said Friday. "We signed a player that we expected to be a horse in our rotation and it hasn't worked out. He physically hasn't held up. Period."

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Boy Cashman

sure has been quoted a lot lately about how much he has fucked up. Wonder why that is?

Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on May 4, 2007 10:45 PM EDT reply actions

When I saw

"Torre: Surgery Possible" I got excited. A little knee replacement might keep him from so many trips to the mound!

What a let down.

by zukatesta on May 4, 2007 10:57 PM EDT reply actions

I thought you had

to pitch to get injured

Great Success!

by ReLaunch on May 4, 2007 11:11 PM EDT reply actions

Worst contract ever?

Is this the worst contract in the history of baseball? Is there any other player who's gotten so much money for such a long period and been unable to do anything useful for such a large percentage of that time?
Projections of Igawa's future don't count.

by SP on May 5, 2007 8:52 AM EDT reply actions

Probably,

the Mike Hamptom deal is pretty bad also but at least he pitched 2 or 3 years of his contract.

Great Success!

by ReLaunch on May 5, 2007 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions

Darren Dreifort and Chan Ho Park

also come to mind, but I agree that Hampton's is the worst. Couple that with the Helton deal and Colorado has given out two of the worst in the history of the sport. For me, the Pavano deal doesn't crack the top of the list just because the Yankees can afford to erase their mistakes with cash. In my opinion, to be one of the worst ever you have to overpay in such a manner as to cripple your franchise going forward and Pavano's deal really didn't do that.

Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on May 5, 2007 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions

Performance, not injuries

Even barring the injuries, there was not reason to expect him to be good. Before his career year at 18-8, he had a losing record and an ERA in the high 4s. At best he would have been another Vazquez or Weaver.

by SP on May 5, 2007 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions

Colorado

Don't forget the Neagle deal.

Mystique, don't fail me now!

by jscape2000 on May 5, 2007 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions

Pavano is actually pretty good

Pavano is actually a good pitcher and I can't wait to see what he looks like after hes ready to jump back on the mound!

by arodfan4ever on May 5, 2007 9:18 PM EDT reply actions

Were you watching in April?

I was. I was not impressed.

by Willton on May 5, 2007 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions

i was watching in april!

I meant for the pitching staff in whole for the Yanks he was a pitcher who would have probably have been in just as much as any one of them. We all have to remember that the Yanks pitching SUCKS! I'll tell you he still isn't my favorite.

by arodfan4ever on May 5, 2007 9:51 PM EDT reply actions

you are an idiot

Great Success!

by ReLaunch on May 5, 2007 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions

Either you're a troll

or a moron. I'll go with moron.

by docgonzo on May 5, 2007 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions

Huh?

by flipster on May 5, 2007 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions

"If it weren't for my horse,

I wouldn't have spent that year in college."

by Willton on May 5, 2007 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions

Then

WHAT THE FUCK?!! And then you realise that anybody who went to college would never say anything that stupid in public. And as soon as you have that thought, your eyes close and the next morning they find you dead in your bathroom.

Mystique, don't fail me now!

by jscape2000 on May 5, 2007 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions

DON'T

think about that sentence for more than 2 seconds or blood will shoot out your nose.

by Willton on May 6, 2007 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions

Probably

have seen the last of his sorry ass in a Yankee uniform. This surgery will keep him out 12-16 months. Word is he was determined to have it whether he needed it or not. He realized he couldn't handle New York early on and decided to phone in his entire contract, keeping the money, of course. I find this story very credible in light of the events of the last 3 seasons.

by flipster on May 5, 2007 11:36 PM EDT reply actions

I can't believe that

but I can believe he's got some mental issues that are more serious than his physical ones. What I would like to know is, what are the Yankees holding on for? Why not release him? Any time the training and coaching staff spends with him at this point is more money wasted.

Unless there is a union rule or something (for releasing players on the DL), maybe Pavano's spot on the 40 goes to Roger.

by zukatesta on May 6, 2007 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions

Possibly

There is for trading:
"Injured players may not be traded without permission of the Commissioner nor may they be optioned to the minors, though they may be assigned to a minor league club for rehabilitation for a limited amount of time (30 days for pitchers, 20 for non-pitchers)."
Releasing might have something similar, since a release seems worse than being optioned. Either way they have to pay his salary, so if they just said, "You're never pitching again," I'm sure he'd be happy to take his check and go home to his sports cars.

by SP on May 7, 2007 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions

Lemon Law for Pavano?

Given the fact that the bastard didn't pitch much, was constantly hurt ... blah, blah, blah...
Can't the Yankees file an insurance claim on him and get back some of his contract.

My dad used the Lemon Law to bring back a Ford.
Can't we do that for Pavano?

by Ronster22 on May 7, 2007 12:24 PM EDT reply actions