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Just joined the site, so I'm not sure whats already been said or not, I come to this site once in a while but just registered.  After reading a lot of comments on here along with some idiotic fan comments on WFAN radio, I decided I'd write out my two cents on the current yankee problem.

One of the big problems with this team is its makeup.  Robinson Cano is not a star.  His high batting average last year was a result of a number of factors.  He hit a lot of groundballs that (luckily) got through the infield, and was batting ninth in what was a scary lineup at the time.  Also he had under 500 at bats and had a somewhat low hit percentage, along with no speed.  He will never be the consistant presence in the lineup he was last year, and I would trade him ASAP before his stock drops.  As many people have said, although Abreu is a great player by the numbers, he hasn't been popular to many teammates and doesn't seem to have gelled with this yankee squad.  Hes not going to be successful here, but since we're stuck with his huge contract, there isnt much alternative other than moving him up and down the lineup, and hope he can continue to draw a high total in walks (pretty sad).  Everyone's expectations of Johnny Damon are too high, hes not a star, hes a guy that starts rallies, and when hes not doing that, hes worthless because he has no arm and declining speed.  Jason Giambi is falling apart, and I'd rather have Jeremi Giambi right now.  The part that is missing on the team is the consistant clutch role players that hit between 270 and 290 every month, and don't act like 9 year old girls.  There are no Scott Brosius, Paul O'Neil, Bernie Williams, Shane Spencer, Nick Johnson, Tino Martinez, etc.  Guys that don't attracht attention to themselves other than winning ball games.  Cashman has turned this team into a bunch of whining babies, and there doesnt seem to be any help on the way.  There may be a chance to build around a jeter-arod-posada core, but arod could opt out and the other two won't be around forever.  There is no stabling presence on this team, the kind of guys that have been present on all of torre's winning teams.

If this team continues to try and build via the checkbook, and doesn't rebuild around the core offensive players, along with younger pitching and reduced work in the pen, the new era brought in by the stadium will be one without any championships.

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You know
I suggested moving Cano a few days ago and got skewered.  But you only move him if you've given up on the season, cause Miguel Cairo ain't gonna cut it.
You know why the role players are role players?  Cause they're not good enough to be the main attraction.  (I'm looking at you Shane Spencer).  The players we have now are better than the players we had then, they're just not acting like it.
This team will always be built via the checkbook because I don't think any of these guys would play for free (ok, Viz might, but only if he realized how bad he is at baseball and decided to buy every fan a beer with his salary).  The Yankees will always outspend the competition, hopefully we starting outspending them in scouting and drafting as well as free agent signings (come here CC Sabathia).
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on May 31, 2007 2:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

PS
Welcome to the site.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on May 31, 2007 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the team of stars
Worse maybe, more consistant is what this team needs.  The all star roster isn't cutting it.  The only guys I would really want the Yankees to bust out the checkbook on at this point is Zambrano and/or Andruw Jones.  That would be quite an upgrade from nancy-arm Damon. A trade that could be plausible is cano plus a minor leaguer to the pirates for chris duffy and one of their many stable relievers, along with jose castillo/bautista.  

by RamiroMendoza on May 31, 2007 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jose Castillo is terrible
He made a splash as a rookie, but has been worse than replacement-level since. Bautista is nothing special.

I've always equated Chris Duffy to Kevin Thompson, so there's no need to get him.

It's nice to see fans thinking. However, I have to further disagree and say we should not open the checkbook for Jones or Zambrano. There are cheaper options that would work out fine. Let's concentrate on the young pitching.

River Ave. Blues
Yanks and prospects

by PinstripePowerhouse on May 31, 2007 7:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It just
sucks that Hughes latest set back not only hurts him for 07, it again puts limits on him in 08.  Unless they make him do winterball (which I doubt)
Pride, Power, Tailgating

by ReLaunch on May 31, 2007 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Castillo never made a splash
In fact, he never was that good. He's constantly had an OPS below .700. He's also awful afield, although he looks good turning the DP. (Key word: "looks")

By the way, Jones is declining rather quickly. I would not open the checkbook for him.

by Willton on May 31, 2007 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Welcome, Ramiro

The late 90s dynasty is dead and it isn't coming back.

Everyone would like the same type of core players again but the Yankees were very lucky in that sense because they found the right combination of players.

The Yankees haven't really changed their strategy that much over the last decade.  They've always opened their checkbooks to get free agents or traded away their own youngsters to find stars or solid players elsewhere.

Paul O'neill, Tino Martinez, Chuck Knoblauch, David Wells, Roger Clemens, David Cone, Jimmy Key, Scott Brosius, John Wetteland, Wade Boggs, Charlie Hayes, Cecil Fielder, Jeff Nelson, Mike Stanton, Joe Girardi, Tim Raines, and a boatload of other key players during that era all came from other clubs via trades and free agent signings.  

The list goes on and on.

In reality, the Yanks had a host of big-game starting pitchers and that was one of the biggest reasons for their run of championships.

I also think too much is made of Damon's arm in CF.  Sure, it would be great if he had an arm like Vladimir Guerrero, but he doesn't.  Damon won a ring in Boston with the same arm he has now and the Yankees won four rings with Bernie Williams patrolling CF and wouldn't have scared an 85-yr old lady from taking an extra base on him.

You obviously don't like Damon, Giambi, Abreu, and others because of their big contracts and "all-star" status but you then advocate signing Andruw Jones.  Which is it?

Signing Jones would be a mistake because they would have to sign him for big cash and a lot of years and he's clearly on the downside of his career.  

Have you seen Jones play this season?  He's turning into Preston Wilson more and more by the day and striking out all the time.  Andruw Jones has never won a ring as far as I know.  His defense and arm would be irrelevant if the guy is only hitting .230 and striking out every 3 ABs as he is this season.  

Keep in mind that Jones is only a .265 career hitter and has hit above .300 just once in his 11 seasons.

I also disagree on Cano.  You seem to put a lot more emphasis on his first 50 games of 2007 than his rookie season of 2005 and his huge season in 2006.  Why is that?

He has the tools to be a superstar, but I don't know if he'll ever hit .340 again.  I do think he's a .300+ hitter that sometimes tends to dog it out there much too often like Soriano did.  However, he's a far better Second Baseman than Soriano ever dreamed.

If you get rid of Cano, you have to find a replacement from somewhere.  If there is nobody at the minor-league level to take his job, you then have to sign someone or trade for a new Second Baseman.  That doesn't make sense to me when you've already got a 24-yr old kid who has all of the tools to be a great player.

Doesn't that defeat the purpose of your argument?

We all would love the late 90s dynasty to return.  Unfortunately, that time is over.  That kind of dominance comes around once in a generation and it was the most dominant team since the Big Red Machine of the mid-70s.

We were just damn lucky that the stars were aligned just right and it happened in the Bronx.

Sorry, it's not my intention to pick on you or give you a hard time.  Come back and post as much as you like.

by anaconda on May 31, 2007 5:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Very well said.
I'm tired of people's solutions is to get rid of the Yanks bad contracts/players and then add on more bad contracts/players
Pride, Power, Tailgating

by ReLaunch on May 31, 2007 6:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cano's OPS+
102, 132, 87.  That 102 came in 522 ABs.  The 132 came in a 482 AB season (injury shortened) in which he had a blistering second half.
Shouldn't we give value to the larger sample size?
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on May 31, 2007 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's your reason to trade him?
Of course, I'd like to see Cano take more pitches and more walks, but OPS+ is not the only way to measure or evaluate major-league talent.

The kid is 24-yrs old and making peanuts.  

Trading him away would be a huge mistake and I don't think the Yanks' hierarchy has any intention of getting rid of him.

by anaconda on May 31, 2007 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Welcome
and with your insight, we may expect great things from you, Mr. Mendoza! Agree with you about the great not-super-stars of yesteryear - man, everyone of the guys you mention could get a hit in a clutch, and with a pack of them, one or more usually did. Snuffy Sternweiss style (for you old timers!)Disagree with you about Cano. Give him a chance, maybe..... Still feel Torre is the problem. Gives 'em hell about not looking like champions and holding their heads high, and continues with the head down, stone face trek to the mound. C'mon Joe, smile and "look like a champion!" Bury Abreu. A-Rod did us all a favor last nite with his "I got it!" When's the last time all of New York laughed together? I'll bet they're even laughing in Boston this morning. Sure it was bush, so What?
New Hampshire Bob

by NH Bob on May 31, 2007 8:24 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Canoodling Cano
After last night, you have to wonder where your logic is. Is Cano a star? Certainly not to the degree of Jeter, Arod, but at 24, he's an up and comer who is still learning the game.

You also said "Cashman has turned this team into a bunch of whining babies." What the hell are you talking about? Giambi (and I'm no fan of his) plays hurt. Damon plays hurt. I frankly don't hear alot of whining. I do see alot of losing, but not whining. Believe me, if you read PA regularly you know that I'm not an advocate of Cashman's. He's done alot of things wrong, but he hasn't created whiny players.

You also talk about big contracts in one breath, and embrace the notion of signing Andruw Jones. I guess he's not going to be asking for the moon, right? Do they have a different pay scale in the South? Last I checked the going rate for a top shelf, five tool centerfielder with Ruthian power was going in the neighborhood of 15-18 million per. Andruw is pushing 30, and has already slowed some. Yeah, signing him to a 3-5 year deal wouldn't bite us in the ass in years 4 and 5.

Can't agree with much of what you said, but welcome anyway. It's always good to have fresh meat.

"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will

by Ronster22 on May 31, 2007 9:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Andruw Jones
Would be the biggest mistake we could make.  He's a decent power hitter and his defense ability has declined.  He's overweight and focuses too much on trying to hit HRs now.  Stay away.

If Arod opts out, stay away from Miguel Cabrera as well.  Look at a pic from him in 2003 when they won the WS and look at him now.  He's about 50lbs heavier and his defense is atrocious.

Chien-Ming Wang+Phil Hughes+Tyler Clippard+Joba Chamberlain+Dellin Betances = the future

by marcbouch9 on May 31, 2007 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree
about Jones whole heartedly.  If we were going to go out and pay for someone though.  The first person that comes to mind is Grady Sizemore.  However if he continues the upswing he has been having than even he could demand alot of money.

Cano has alot of upside and is going to be better for us than most free agents.  He young, has a great arm, and can be a slick fielder when he doesn't lollygag after the ball.  We need to keep him, even if he never hits .340 again.  

by yanksfan77 on May 31, 2007 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude
Grady Sizemore is under contract through 2011, with a $8.5 mil team option for 2012. No need to even think about him now.
River Ave. Blues
Yanks and prospects

by PinstripePowerhouse on May 31, 2007 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My Bad
I am not fluent in the contracts of the entire major leagues.

by yanksfan77 on May 31, 2007 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's easy
mlbcontracts.blogspot.com
River Ave. Blues
Yanks and prospects

by PinstripePowerhouse on May 31, 2007 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great Website
Has everything you could possibly want for the contract 411.
Chien-Ming Wang+Phil Hughes+Tyler Clippard+Joba Chamberlain+Dellin Betances = the future

by marcbouch9 on May 31, 2007 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also
a full list of potential free agents.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on May 31, 2007 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I checked the free agent list
earlier today.  There are some pitchers, with a bunch of closers, but not much else except Dye and Sweeney.  Zambrano probably tops the pitchers list.  Buehrle and Colon probably the next best.  Linebrink intrigued me.  The scarcity among position players leads me to believe Arod will make a killing if he opts out.  
Chien-Ming Wang+Phil Hughes+Tyler Clippard+Joba Chamberlain+Dellin Betances = the future

by marcbouch9 on May 31, 2007 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks
I hate sounding like an idiot.  I would prefer to sound like an informed idiot.

by yanksfan77 on May 31, 2007 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No prob
That's what I'm here for.
River Ave. Blues
Yanks and prospects

by PinstripePowerhouse on May 31, 2007 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We need idiots
"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will

by Ronster22 on May 31, 2007 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You?
I don't think so.
"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will

by Ronster22 on May 31, 2007 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay
I was in Phoenix last week, and while in the airport to get home, I misread my ticket and went to Gate B 16. Problem was, there were no Gate B 16. That was my freakin' seat. I needed to get to Gate E 47.

Yes. I missed the flight. I had to do a Planes, Trains and Automobiles to make it home in time for my duaghter's 6th birthday.

"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will

by Ronster22 on May 31, 2007 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sizemore
ain't happening.  Hafner is a possibility, but not Sizemore.  If I was Cleveland, I probably wouldn't trade Sizemore unless I was completely floored by an offer.  Floored by us would have to include Hughes, Clippard, Cano and Cabrera.
Chien-Ming Wang+Phil Hughes+Tyler Clippard+Joba Chamberlain+Dellin Betances = the future

by marcbouch9 on May 31, 2007 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cleveland has said
that they will try to sign Hafner but will let Sabathia walk.  He's only 26 this year and his been consisently above average (ERA+ 118, Ks have gone up the last three year while BB move down).  He's left handed and has thrown 192, 196, 188, 197 IP in the last four years.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on May 31, 2007 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's more
important to me is whether he can handle pitching in NY or not.  Too many times they have brought someone in who absolutely flops in the Bronx.

by yanksfan77 on May 31, 2007 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trying to figure that out
is a fool's game. You'll never know that until you try him out in NY.

by Willton on May 31, 2007 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sabathia
Would be a good sign.  A proven 26 year-old lefthander.  Sign me up!

Assuming Pettitte and Clemens do not return, that would give us Wang, Sabathia, Hughes, Mussina and whoever wins the 5th spot.  Not too shabby.  I know it's probably not a possibility, but I would like to move Mussina in the offseason if we could bring Pettitte back or if the young kids show enough promise to make the rotation.  It's nothing against Mussina, but why not get good and young at the same time.

Chien-Ming Wang+Phil Hughes+Tyler Clippard+Joba Chamberlain+Dellin Betances = the future

by marcbouch9 on May 31, 2007 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

While I agree in sentiment
I don't think you could move Mussina (age, salary, no trade clause).  He still wants his ring, that's why he signed here quickly and at a discount.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on May 31, 2007 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is what I am thinking
But, I can still hope for it.  I don't think his salary is too steep, considering that he and Glavine signed pretty much the same deal and that the cost of pitching is rivaled only by the price of gas!

It's not that I don't want him, it's just signing Sabathia would completely change the direction of our rotation and Mussina seemed like the one orange in a bag of apples.

Chien-Ming Wang+Phil Hughes+Tyler Clippard+Joba Chamberlain+Dellin Betances = the future

by marcbouch9 on May 31, 2007 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a tough call
I would assume Andy would come back next year, unless they pull a miracle and win it all (he'll feel responsible otherwise, and he'll come back for another shot).

So you have Wang-Pettitte-Hughes-Sabbathia-Mussina.

And, as your signature notes, you have Joba and Kennedy behind him. And even Clippard as insurance (not putting much stock in Karstens or Rasner as anything more than future bullpen options).

River Ave. Blues
Yanks and prospects

by PinstripePowerhouse on May 31, 2007 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It all depends
on who you get to replace him.  If one of the youngster's can fill that role than great.  But I think alot of people would take an aging Moose, over the uncharted waters of free agency or trades.

At least you know what you are getting from Moose( most of the time) His consistency over the years makes it a difficult decision to make.  But like I said it all depends on who you get to take his spot in the rotation

by yanksfan77 on May 31, 2007 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Would
certainly take Sabathia over say Dontrelle Willis.

by yanksfan77 on May 31, 2007 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

100 times out of 100
River Ave. Blues
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by PinstripePowerhouse on May 31, 2007 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed
Willis has been not very good this year.  Plus, anyone who performs in the AL gets the nod for me over someone in the NL.  

I have a bet with a friend that Willis will never win 20 games again.  If I lose, I give up my first-born child.  I don't want to have to root against him as a Yankee!

Chien-Ming Wang+Phil Hughes+Tyler Clippard+Joba Chamberlain+Dellin Betances = the future

by marcbouch9 on May 31, 2007 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Moose will be gone too
CC isn't a free agent until 2008
Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on May 31, 2007 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, you're right
Indians got a steal at $9 mil. This is why we need to develop our own guys.
River Ave. Blues
Yanks and prospects

by PinstripePowerhouse on May 31, 2007 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good catch
Well, we get him in '09!
Chien-Ming Wang+Phil Hughes+Tyler Clippard+Joba Chamberlain+Dellin Betances = the future

by marcbouch9 on May 31, 2007 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cano
Was pretty much the best hitter in the MLB the 2nd half of last season.  I'd say he's going to be a very good defensive 2B who hits between .300-.320 with about 40 doubles and 15 HR for most of his career.  His runs and RBIs will be dictated by where he hits in the lineup.  That's my safe guess, but I think he could be much, much more.
Chien-Ming Wang+Phil Hughes+Tyler Clippard+Joba Chamberlain+Dellin Betances = the future

by marcbouch9 on May 31, 2007 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Best part of Cano
He's freaking cheap for what you get. He competely ticks me off with his lack of discipline, but he'll mature. When he does, and gets those walks up to 90+, I believe we're looking at a .330 hitter with 20+ power.
"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will

by Ronster22 on May 31, 2007 2:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

90 walks!!
Maybe 90 walks every three years. Players just don't develop that level of plate discipline.
Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on May 31, 2007 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jose Reyes
is showing tremendous improvement in plate discipline, but I do agree that it's rare.  I think it's a possibility with Cano, but something he definitely needs to work on more than he has been.
Chien-Ming Wang+Phil Hughes+Tyler Clippard+Joba Chamberlain+Dellin Betances = the future

by marcbouch9 on May 31, 2007 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But that's
what makes Reyes so incredible.  He's a one in a thousand improvement.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on May 31, 2007 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But
it shows that plate discipline can develop.  I'm not saying Cano is Reyes, but Reyes had 27 walks in 161 games in 2005 and he has 29 this year.  Cano had 18 last year, 16 in 2005 and has 8 this season so far.  So, he is showing some minor improvement.  It's rare, but possible for discipline to improve. If he could get his total to 30 this year, I think he's headed in the right direction.
Chien-Ming Wang+Phil Hughes+Tyler Clippard+Joba Chamberlain+Dellin Betances = the future

by marcbouch9 on May 31, 2007 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

plate discipline
does not usually develop.  Jose Reyes is the exception, not the norm.
Pride, Power, Tailgating

by ReLaunch on May 31, 2007 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure they do
Rod Carew never walked that much (74 the high).
He walked 11 times another. It's not impossible for Cano to do, but after seeing him line a single off a pitch up by his eyes perhaps the 50-60 range is more likely. I'll give you that one.
"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will

by Ronster22 on May 31, 2007 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

general response
Just adding my two cents on some of the things said, thanks for the feedback.

On Cano, he never was a linedrive hitter in the minors, and was more of a suprising star than an elite prospect.  He's not the biggest of issues, Although I don't see him near 340 again, and most likely under 300, I do expect some more HR's, even 20 and up.  

As for the whining and the star replacing stars idea, playing hurt is overrated.  Playing hurt and sucking is worse than not playing at all.  There are plenty of teams that have more injuries than the yanks, and are doing it with coaching, and fundamentaly sound baseball.  Jones has always been a favorite player of mine, so discount that if you will, but I think Zambrano has star potential, and someone who could potentially light a fire under this team.

As for the manager dilemna, I don't want Torre to be fired, but who would be the replacement?  I hope its not Boa.

by RamiroMendoza on May 31, 2007 7:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What reason
do you want Torre to stay?  So he can fall asleep at the bench?  Its time for him to go, should have happened after last season.
Pride, Power, Tailgating

by ReLaunch on May 31, 2007 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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