Yankee issues and such.
Just joined the site, so I'm not sure whats already been said or not, I come to this site once in a while but just registered. After reading a lot of comments on here along with some idiotic fan comments on WFAN radio, I decided I'd write out my two cents on the current yankee problem.
One of the big problems with this team is its makeup. Robinson Cano is not a star. His high batting average last year was a result of a number of factors. He hit a lot of groundballs that (luckily) got through the infield, and was batting ninth in what was a scary lineup at the time. Also he had under 500 at bats and had a somewhat low hit percentage, along with no speed. He will never be the consistant presence in the lineup he was last year, and I would trade him ASAP before his stock drops. As many people have said, although Abreu is a great player by the numbers, he hasn't been popular to many teammates and doesn't seem to have gelled with this yankee squad. Hes not going to be successful here, but since we're stuck with his huge contract, there isnt much alternative other than moving him up and down the lineup, and hope he can continue to draw a high total in walks (pretty sad). Everyone's expectations of Johnny Damon are too high, hes not a star, hes a guy that starts rallies, and when hes not doing that, hes worthless because he has no arm and declining speed. Jason Giambi is falling apart, and I'd rather have Jeremi Giambi right now. The part that is missing on the team is the consistant clutch role players that hit between 270 and 290 every month, and don't act like 9 year old girls. There are no Scott Brosius, Paul O'Neil, Bernie Williams, Shane Spencer, Nick Johnson, Tino Martinez, etc. Guys that don't attracht attention to themselves other than winning ball games. Cashman has turned this team into a bunch of whining babies, and there doesnt seem to be any help on the way. There may be a chance to build around a jeter-arod-posada core, but arod could opt out and the other two won't be around forever. There is no stabling presence on this team, the kind of guys that have been present on all of torre's winning teams.
If this team continues to try and build via the checkbook, and doesn't rebuild around the core offensive players, along with younger pitching and reduced work in the pen, the new era brought in by the stadium will be one without any championships.
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You know why the role players are role players? Cause they're not good enough to be the main attraction. (I'm looking at you Shane Spencer). The players we have now are better than the players we had then, they're just not acting like it.
This team will always be built via the checkbook because I don't think any of these guys would play for free (ok, Viz might, but only if he realized how bad he is at baseball and decided to buy every fan a beer with his salary). The Yankees will always outspend the competition, hopefully we starting outspending them in scouting and drafting as well as free agent signings (come here CC Sabathia).
by jscape2000 on May 31, 2007 2:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
PS
by jscape2000 on May 31, 2007 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the team of stars
by RamiroMendoza on May 31, 2007 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jose Castillo is terrible
I've always equated Chris Duffy to Kevin Thompson, so there's no need to get him.
It's nice to see fans thinking. However, I have to further disagree and say we should not open the checkbook for Jones or Zambrano. There are cheaper options that would work out fine. Let's concentrate on the young pitching.
Yanks and prospects
by PinstripePowerhouse on May 31, 2007 7:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Castillo never made a splash
By the way, Jones is declining rather quickly. I would not open the checkbook for him.
by Willton on May 31, 2007 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome, Ramiro
The late 90s dynasty is dead and it isn't coming back.
Everyone would like the same type of core players again but the Yankees were very lucky in that sense because they found the right combination of players.
The Yankees haven't really changed their strategy that much over the last decade. They've always opened their checkbooks to get free agents or traded away their own youngsters to find stars or solid players elsewhere.
Paul O'neill, Tino Martinez, Chuck Knoblauch, David Wells, Roger Clemens, David Cone, Jimmy Key, Scott Brosius, John Wetteland, Wade Boggs, Charlie Hayes, Cecil Fielder, Jeff Nelson, Mike Stanton, Joe Girardi, Tim Raines, and a boatload of other key players during that era all came from other clubs via trades and free agent signings.
The list goes on and on.
In reality, the Yanks had a host of big-game starting pitchers and that was one of the biggest reasons for their run of championships.
I also think too much is made of Damon's arm in CF. Sure, it would be great if he had an arm like Vladimir Guerrero, but he doesn't. Damon won a ring in Boston with the same arm he has now and the Yankees won four rings with Bernie Williams patrolling CF and wouldn't have scared an 85-yr old lady from taking an extra base on him.
You obviously don't like Damon, Giambi, Abreu, and others because of their big contracts and "all-star" status but you then advocate signing Andruw Jones. Which is it?
Signing Jones would be a mistake because they would have to sign him for big cash and a lot of years and he's clearly on the downside of his career.
Have you seen Jones play this season? He's turning into Preston Wilson more and more by the day and striking out all the time. Andruw Jones has never won a ring as far as I know. His defense and arm would be irrelevant if the guy is only hitting .230 and striking out every 3 ABs as he is this season.
Keep in mind that Jones is only a .265 career hitter and has hit above .300 just once in his 11 seasons.
I also disagree on Cano. You seem to put a lot more emphasis on his first 50 games of 2007 than his rookie season of 2005 and his huge season in 2006. Why is that?
He has the tools to be a superstar, but I don't know if he'll ever hit .340 again. I do think he's a .300+ hitter that sometimes tends to dog it out there much too often like Soriano did. However, he's a far better Second Baseman than Soriano ever dreamed.
If you get rid of Cano, you have to find a replacement from somewhere. If there is nobody at the minor-league level to take his job, you then have to sign someone or trade for a new Second Baseman. That doesn't make sense to me when you've already got a 24-yr old kid who has all of the tools to be a great player.
Doesn't that defeat the purpose of your argument?
We all would love the late 90s dynasty to return. Unfortunately, that time is over. That kind of dominance comes around once in a generation and it was the most dominant team since the Big Red Machine of the mid-70s.
We were just damn lucky that the stars were aligned just right and it happened in the Bronx.
Sorry, it's not my intention to pick on you or give you a hard time. Come back and post as much as you like.
by anaconda on May 31, 2007 5:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Very well said.
by ReLaunch on May 31, 2007 6:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cano's OPS+
Shouldn't we give value to the larger sample size?
by jscape2000 on May 31, 2007 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's your reason to trade him?
The kid is 24-yrs old and making peanuts.
Trading him away would be a huge mistake and I don't think the Yanks' hierarchy has any intention of getting rid of him.
by anaconda on May 31, 2007 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome
by NH Bob on May 31, 2007 8:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Canoodling Cano
You also said "Cashman has turned this team into a bunch of whining babies." What the hell are you talking about? Giambi (and I'm no fan of his) plays hurt. Damon plays hurt. I frankly don't hear alot of whining. I do see alot of losing, but not whining. Believe me, if you read PA regularly you know that I'm not an advocate of Cashman's. He's done alot of things wrong, but he hasn't created whiny players.
You also talk about big contracts in one breath, and embrace the notion of signing Andruw Jones. I guess he's not going to be asking for the moon, right? Do they have a different pay scale in the South? Last I checked the going rate for a top shelf, five tool centerfielder with Ruthian power was going in the neighborhood of 15-18 million per. Andruw is pushing 30, and has already slowed some. Yeah, signing him to a 3-5 year deal wouldn't bite us in the ass in years 4 and 5.
Can't agree with much of what you said, but welcome anyway. It's always good to have fresh meat.
by Ronster22 on May 31, 2007 9:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Andruw Jones
If Arod opts out, stay away from Miguel Cabrera as well. Look at a pic from him in 2003 when they won the WS and look at him now. He's about 50lbs heavier and his defense is atrocious.
by marcbouch9 on May 31, 2007 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Cano has alot of upside and is going to be better for us than most free agents. He young, has a great arm, and can be a slick fielder when he doesn't lollygag after the ball. We need to keep him, even if he never hits .340 again.
by yanksfan77 on May 31, 2007 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
Yanks and prospects
by PinstripePowerhouse on May 31, 2007 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Bad
by yanksfan77 on May 31, 2007 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's easy
Yanks and prospects
by PinstripePowerhouse on May 31, 2007 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Website
by marcbouch9 on May 31, 2007 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
by jscape2000 on May 31, 2007 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I checked the free agent list
by marcbouch9 on May 31, 2007 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
by yanksfan77 on May 31, 2007 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No prob
Yanks and prospects
by PinstripePowerhouse on May 31, 2007 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need idiots
by Ronster22 on May 31, 2007 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You?
by Ronster22 on May 31, 2007 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay
Yes. I missed the flight. I had to do a Planes, Trains and Automobiles to make it home in time for my duaghter's 6th birthday.
by Ronster22 on May 31, 2007 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sizemore
by marcbouch9 on May 31, 2007 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cleveland has said
by jscape2000 on May 31, 2007 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's more
by yanksfan77 on May 31, 2007 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trying to figure that out
by Willton on May 31, 2007 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sabathia
Assuming Pettitte and Clemens do not return, that would give us Wang, Sabathia, Hughes, Mussina and whoever wins the 5th spot. Not too shabby. I know it's probably not a possibility, but I would like to move Mussina in the offseason if we could bring Pettitte back or if the young kids show enough promise to make the rotation. It's nothing against Mussina, but why not get good and young at the same time.
by marcbouch9 on May 31, 2007 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
While I agree in sentiment
by jscape2000 on May 31, 2007 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is what I am thinking
It's not that I don't want him, it's just signing Sabathia would completely change the direction of our rotation and Mussina seemed like the one orange in a bag of apples.
by marcbouch9 on May 31, 2007 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a tough call
So you have Wang-Pettitte-Hughes-Sabbathia-Mussina.
And, as your signature notes, you have Joba and Kennedy behind him. And even Clippard as insurance (not putting much stock in Karstens or Rasner as anything more than future bullpen options).
Yanks and prospects
by PinstripePowerhouse on May 31, 2007 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It all depends
At least you know what you are getting from Moose( most of the time) His consistency over the years makes it a difficult decision to make. But like I said it all depends on who you get to take his spot in the rotation
by yanksfan77 on May 31, 2007 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Would
by yanksfan77 on May 31, 2007 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
100 times out of 100
Yanks and prospects
by PinstripePowerhouse on May 31, 2007 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I have a bet with a friend that Willis will never win 20 games again. If I lose, I give up my first-born child. I don't want to have to root against him as a Yankee!
by marcbouch9 on May 31, 2007 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moose will be gone too
by pfistyunc on May 31, 2007 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, you're right
Yanks and prospects
by PinstripePowerhouse on May 31, 2007 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good catch
by marcbouch9 on May 31, 2007 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cano
by marcbouch9 on May 31, 2007 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best part of Cano
by Ronster22 on May 31, 2007 2:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
90 walks!!
by pfistyunc on May 31, 2007 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jose Reyes
by marcbouch9 on May 31, 2007 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But that's
by jscape2000 on May 31, 2007 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But
by marcbouch9 on May 31, 2007 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
plate discipline
by ReLaunch on May 31, 2007 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure they do
He walked 11 times another. It's not impossible for Cano to do, but after seeing him line a single off a pitch up by his eyes perhaps the 50-60 range is more likely. I'll give you that one.
by Ronster22 on May 31, 2007 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
general response
On Cano, he never was a linedrive hitter in the minors, and was more of a suprising star than an elite prospect. He's not the biggest of issues, Although I don't see him near 340 again, and most likely under 300, I do expect some more HR's, even 20 and up.
As for the whining and the star replacing stars idea, playing hurt is overrated. Playing hurt and sucking is worse than not playing at all. There are plenty of teams that have more injuries than the yanks, and are doing it with coaching, and fundamentaly sound baseball. Jones has always been a favorite player of mine, so discount that if you will, but I think Zambrano has star potential, and someone who could potentially light a fire under this team.
As for the manager dilemna, I don't want Torre to be fired, but who would be the replacement? I hope its not Boa.
by RamiroMendoza on May 31, 2007 7:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What reason
by ReLaunch on May 31, 2007 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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