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YANKS ASK WANG TO TAME THE BOSOX

Now, as the Yankees move back across town to more familiar territory, they welcome in a most familiar opponent -- the Red Sox, who took two of three games from New York in a Massachusetts setting last month.

"It's going to be important games over there," said Yankees right fielder Bobby Abreu, who went 2-for-4 with two walks in the final game of the Mets series, leading Yankees manager Joe Torre to proclaim that Abreu is "back."

"We're just going to try to win as many games as we can win," Abreu said. "They've played very good right now, so it'll be interesting. It's going to be a good series."

The Yankees' hopes of at least returning the favor begin on Monday behind the efforts of right-hander Chien-Ming Wang, a 19-game winner last season who kicks off yet another vital series for the Yankees.

"Very important," Wang said of the start. "Maybe it can help the team feel better."

With Andy Pettitte and Mike Mussina also scheduled to see Boston, this will mark just the second time in this injury-ravaged Yankees series that they've been able to call upon their top three starting pitchers.

But it's better late than never for the Yankees, who would prefer to look at their circumstances as good timing -- after all, who better to head out in hopes of trimming their 10 1/2-game American League East deficit to the runaway Red Sox?

"We know they're tough and they're playing well," Yankees captain Derek Jeter said. "We have to go right back out there [on Monday]. Hopefully, it'll be a good game."

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Amen.

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Yankees Played Billy Ball!!!
"The yankees played with an aggressive nature tonight they tried to take the extra base,"  Michael kay.

by StrappedYankee on May 21, 2007 10:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A Standard way to combat a knucleball.
Is to steal when on base.

Did you see Damon's steal?  It was a knuckler that took a long time to get home.  It was low inside to a right hand hitter, a difficult pitch to throw from.  It was still bang bang.

The fact that you can run on a knuckleball does not mean you should be running all over the place.

Baseball is 90% mental. The other half is physical(Yogi)

by Cbeck3 on May 21, 2007 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of Course
We dont wants the old Yankees running like the young Mets, however, they still can run. I dont expect 100 stolen bases, we dont have Rickey Henderson anymore but 40 is attainable by A.Rod and maybe 30 by Jeter, Damon and Abreu.

by StrappedYankee on May 22, 2007 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One piece of advice
When you have to start quoting Michael Kay to back up your arguments, take a deep breath and back away slowly.
Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on May 22, 2007 7:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait,
he is going to quote Suzym Waldman soon too, she believes in billy ball.
Great Success!

by ReLaunch on May 22, 2007 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

umm
You must have seen a different game than Mr. Kay.

by StrappedYankee on May 22, 2007 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your ability to miss the point
is astonishing. My point is that Michael Kay is a fucking retard. Relying on him to back up your points is not sound strategy
Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on May 22, 2007 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

An elaboration, if I may
I'm sorry, I just see him missing the point again.

While Michael Kay was right in this instance, it comes with two caveats. First is that Michael Kay is often wrong, so he is not the most credible source of baseball analysis. Second is that being that aggressive doesn't work as well against a non-knuckleballer. If the ball is floating in at 60 mph, there is no reason not to try and swipe bags with your best base stealers. This does not mean, however, that it will work all of the time.

Ergo, you (strappedyankee) have put together a weak argument.

River Ave. Blues
Yanks and prospects

by PinstripePowerhouse on May 22, 2007 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Guess WE are all wrong.
I guess Mr. Kay, Mr. O"Neill, Mr. Flaherty and Mr. Justice. Are all wrong too. Boy I am in good company.
Johnny Damon had the kind of game that had, so far this season, been mostly missing from his inventory.
Damon went 3-for-4, drew a walk and stole two bases in a 6-2 Yanke"I thought
Johnny Damon had a great game with his bat and with his body," Joe Torre said. "He had a lot of life in his game."

by StrappedYankee on May 22, 2007 11:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dear God, I hope we are done
Man, this kid is annoying
Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on May 23, 2007 6:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The issue
is a matter of context.
You're picking a single game (and one with very unusual factors- knuckleballer plus weak armed catcher) and trying to build an entire strategy out of it.
Ditto pointing to one game when Damon goes 3-4 as proof that he's not old or slowing down.
It makes no difference whom you cite; if you don't acknowledge the variables involved in a small sample size, there's little else we can talk about.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on May 23, 2007 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You mean that
none of these people have any baseball smarts even hall of famer Joe Morgan. Then who is?

by StrappedYankee on May 23, 2007 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Most respecfully
I only quoted the commentary of one game, however the theory of taking the extra base, hitting and running and stealing bases is as old as the game itself. Before the homerun, in the dead ball era, hitting combined with running won games. My theory is that when the Yankee bats become anemic its time to use another tried and true baseball technique RUN. The Yankees are not feeble old men. They are millionaries that are spoiled and they need a manager who can light a fire under their ass and remind them they are wearing the PINSTRIPES.

by StrappedYankee on May 23, 2007 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

While
I usually do not agree with anything you have posted so far, I do agree that if the bats are silent, they should put things in motion.
Great Success!

by ReLaunch on May 23, 2007 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Before the homerun"
Right, because the homerun is such a new concept. The homerun never existed back when Babe Ruth played. Boy, Ruth was a heck of a basestealer.

by Willton on May 24, 2007 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Before the homerun"
they weren't allowed to have minority players either. If it weren't for all of these people of color and their damned home runs, we could go back to the good old days of basestealing and seperate water fountains!
Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on May 24, 2007 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dont you agree
that if the Yankees are Millionaries Row, they should use all their talents, including running intelligently? Or does that concept excape you.

by StrappedYankee on May 24, 2007 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please go away
River Ave. Blues
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by PinstripePowerhouse on May 24, 2007 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do think they should run intelligently
So I'm happy they are not so steal happy. Encouraging basestealing invites making outs on the basepaths. One of the reasons the Yankees have had one of the best offenses in the league for the past few years is that they've made few outs per plate appearance. Not making outs is the key to scoring runs. Stolen bases can increase run scoring, but not by much. Getting out on the basepaths, however, depresses scoring at a much higher rate.

You want to know who the best basestealer is? It's not the one who steals the most; it's the one who gets caught the least.

Joe Sheehan elaborates on the value of the stolen base much more here:
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=2607

by Willton on May 24, 2007 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Beat me to it
I was going to post that, but 1) he'll never read it and 2) his only response will be "the concept of running excapes (sic) you."

And seriously, the words you used are way too big for his comprehension. Oops, used another one there. Comprehension. It means ability to understand.

River Ave. Blues
Yanks and prospects

by PinstripePowerhouse on May 24, 2007 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It seems to me you are all afraid of
stealing bases, taking the extra base, bunting and so on, but no risk no reward. You have to take those risks in baseball and in life. Now if you just want them to stand there like chess pieces that have to be moved from station to station like dead weight. Then fine thats your kind of DULL baseball. Wait for a savior to hit the ball and leave the runners on base when they fail. That is not and will never be baseball.

by StrappedYankee on May 24, 2007 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It seems to me
That you have no reading comprehension whatsoever. Because if you actually read and understood what we wrote, you'd see that we do advocate steals. However, the Yanks don't find themselves in many ideal stealing situations.

Once again, shut up.

River Ave. Blues
Yanks and prospects

by PinstripePowerhouse on May 24, 2007 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh come on
you know the Yanks leave runners stranded all the time. Its embarrassing. There are plenty of running situations. The manager is just too stupid or over cautious to execute.

by StrappedYankee on May 24, 2007 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You
can score from third on an out with less than two out with a running game. Make runs happen. Suicide sueeze, wild pitch etc. Stop the dependency on power. Use both power and speed and smart running.  A completee attack. Then we will be the Evil Empire again.

by StrappedYankee on May 24, 2007 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gotcha!
Yankees team stolen bases by the year
  1. 96
  2. 99
  3. 153
  4. 104
  5. 99
  6. 161
  7. 100
  8. 98
  9. 84
  10. 85
  11. 139
  12. on pace for 91
The Yankees have made the playoffs in every year listed (except, obviously, 2007). Now, where were you with "back to the Evil Empire" horseshit?
River Ave. Blues
Yanks and prospects

by PinstripePowerhouse on May 24, 2007 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice work
Strapped, you've got to understand that no one here is against a running game.  We're against running with a player like Cano who is not especially fast/ perceptive on the bases.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on May 24, 2007 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you
Exactly. Running with Damon is smart, but he has to be standing on first base with second base open for that to happen.

Jeter's been bad so far this year with steals. He's already been caught as many times as he was all of last year. He has four stolen bases, at least one of which is of third base (which actually plays into strapped's theory of being aggressive, but it's not based on the same concept of stealing second).

Then you have A-Rod, who rarely has steal opportunities (though he's been good when given those opportunities). Abreu hasn't been on base nearly enough to steal (hey, when he gets on, you don't wanna waste that rare opportunity). Melky is good, but as with Abreu, he's not on base enough.

No one else has the ability to consistently swipe bags.

River Ave. Blues
Yanks and prospects

by PinstripePowerhouse on May 24, 2007 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well
You have a point there we need to work on it. If only I  could get into Torre's brain. Particularly important, in my view when the Yanks get anemic. It can spark the offense. But our dependency on the long ball is psychologically harmful. We need the combination of power and speed. Of course, if our pitching doesn't hold with Rocket and all, then we are lost. Yet I still say Go Yankees!

by StrappedYankee on May 25, 2007 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A good hitting team
is going to leave runners stranded a lot. Why? Because a good hitting team puts runners on base a lot. When you put runners on base a lot, chances are you are going to leave a number of them stranded. That's just how the game works. You'll find that teams all around the league tend to strand about the same number of runners per year.

Want to know what team holds the AL record for team LOB? The 1941 St. Louis Browns, with 1,334 runners. They finished 3rd in the AL in runs scored.

In the NL? The 1976 Cincinatti Reds, with 1328. Yep, you guessed it, the WS champion Cincinatti Reds, also known as the Big Red Machine. For someone who's been a fan of baseball since the mid-70's, that should not surprise you.

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/recbooks/left_on_base_records.shtml

by Willton on May 24, 2007 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You have a point
but can we raise the bar a little since this is MILLIONARIES ROW?

by StrappedYankee on May 25, 2007 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hands down the worst
You are without a doubt the worst poster on this group. At least Kingfish and zukatesta respond to what is posted instead of rambling incoherently. Please go away.
Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on May 24, 2007 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You
are incorrect. I just dont have as much free time.

by StrappedYankee on May 25, 2007 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hit the
reply to this button when responding to a post please.  thanks
Great Success!

by ReLaunch on May 24, 2007 7:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

actually
just stop posting and/or replying instead. That would be ideal.
Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on May 24, 2007 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry
last I heard this is America. Freedom of speech.

by StrappedYankee on May 24, 2007 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are free to speak
just please do it somewhere else. Your posts are awful.
Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on May 24, 2007 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you
are not exactly Sharespeare either with the difference that I donot curse or insult other bloggers. I simply state my opinion to which I am entitled as a long standing Yankee fan (since 1973) and ticket buyer(therefore paying the Yankees salary in part) So sorry that it does not sit well with you.

by StrappedYankee on May 24, 2007 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your point is completely lost
Dude, you couldn't even spell Shakespeare correctly.
River Ave. Blues
Yanks and prospects

by PinstripePowerhouse on May 24, 2007 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh
get over it. I have to go back to work. See ya.

by StrappedYankee on May 24, 2007 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Be sure to include some ketchup packets
with your customer's fries and a straw for their shake.
Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on May 24, 2007 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't he write
Roneo and Juliet?
Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on May 24, 2007 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know
Phil Rizzuto would agree with me. I guess he is a dum ass too.

by StrappedYankee on May 24, 2007 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gotta love it
Gotta love the misconception that people who played the game know more about the inner workings of the game. Many baseball players are functionally retarded -- i.e., they play baseball well, but not so much in other aspects of life.

Plus, they're a victim of day to day observation. For instance, it looked like Ty Clippard threw a lot of strikes on Sunday, particularly first-pitch strikes. So a baseball player might (and probably would) tell you that he threw a lot of first pitch strikes, which helped.

In reality, though, he threw 48% first pitch strikes and just 57% overall.

River Ave. Blues
Yanks and prospects

by PinstripePowerhouse on May 24, 2007 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well
If the Yanks keep playing St. Joe's way it will 8 years that the dont make it. How is that for dumb.
Even the Boss doesnot have enough money to save them. Wake up and see the light.

by StrappedYankee on May 24, 2007 3:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Better
than 10 games back for sure. Or do you think thats good?

by StrappedYankee on May 24, 2007 3:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Then
the Yanks are in deep doodle. Damon, A.Rod, Cano, Abreu and Jeter are not crippled. Just not used correctly. But hey whats another year without a championship.

by StrappedYankee on May 24, 2007 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Risk/Reward
Nothing ventured nothing gained.  Pick the right count make sure its not the third out. Never risk the third out, but with less than 2 outs. Heck yeah run and take the extra base and see how those pitchers will trully fear the Yanks.

by StrappedYankee on May 24, 2007 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You leave yourself so open
For rebuttal. Part of the problem of the Yankees offense being stagnant over the last two weeks is that they weren't able to work many favorable counts, thereby not being in ideal steal situations.

The Yankees game is to work into hitters counts. They take a lot of pitches. Over the last two weeks, pitchers have been throwing more first-pitch strikes. Not only does this foil the team's plan at the dish, but it foils them on the basepaths, since you really don't want to be stealing when the pitcher is ahead (as you said yourself).

To me, and most reasonable people, if that truly is the problem (that last paragraph was anecdotal, and I'm not sifting through game logs right now), the solution would be to look for first pitch strikes and swing, rather than steal a base.

River Ave. Blues
Yanks and prospects

by PinstripePowerhouse on May 24, 2007 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no execution
from the manager thats the problem

by StrappedYankee on May 24, 2007 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem?
Hell, no execution on running is part of the solution.

by Willton on May 24, 2007 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see
there is fear in you with fear no one wins anything. Oh well and you are Pinstripper?

Pride, Power, Pinstrippes

and Passion.

Fear Strikes Out!

by StrappedYankee on May 24, 2007 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is fear in you
And with fear...comes the Dark Side!

Got any more gems for us, Darth Sidious?

River Ave. Blues
Yanks and prospects

by PinstripePowerhouse on May 24, 2007 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am afraid too
but it is just from your spelling
Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on May 24, 2007 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that was
disgusting
Great Success!

by ReLaunch on May 24, 2007 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, yes it was
but I haven't laughed that hard in quite a while. Thanks mg
Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on May 24, 2007 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No its
not.  Please do not begin positng naked picture of men like Al Rodgers.
Great Success!

by ReLaunch on May 24, 2007 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

However, all of this is moot
The Yanks are getting back into their offensive groove.
River Ave. Blues
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by PinstripePowerhouse on May 24, 2007 4:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I forgot
This kind of baseball has never worked before. Ever.
River Ave. Blues
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by PinstripePowerhouse on May 24, 2007 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not since 2004
Which I'm sure we all remember well.

by Willton on May 24, 2007 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How has it not worked?
Did we not make the playoffs each year? Yeah, haven't made it out of the first round. But that had a lot to do with everyone going cold at once (as they just did).
River Ave. Blues
Yanks and prospects

by PinstripePowerhouse on May 24, 2007 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was talking about the WS winners
The 2004 Red Sox stole the fewest bases the entire season, and, ... well, ... you know the rest.

by Willton on May 24, 2007 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, gotcha
Can we drop the subject of the 2004 Red Sox, though?  For some reason, prolonged talk of them always ends up with me getting a new keyboard. I have a laptop now, so yeah, none of that.
River Ave. Blues
Yanks and prospects

by PinstripePowerhouse on May 24, 2007 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not
lately. Since 2000.  Thats why I must insist on another strategy. Sorry.

by StrappedYankee on May 25, 2007 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Everyone follow me
I more than anyone am always up for a good lively debate, but this strapped guy is not even worth it. I am starting a movement to just ignore him and hopefully he will go away.
Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on May 24, 2007 5:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Second
He doesn't read what we write, anyway.
River Ave. Blues
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by PinstripePowerhouse on May 24, 2007 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It will take self control
but it has to be done. His nonsensical rambling adds nothing and just preoccupies from talking about important stuff like nailing Steinbrenner's daughter, etc.
Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on May 24, 2007 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL
How's that coming along.
Back, to the wall, ssseeeya! And a home run for... ... ... ... ... Bubba Crosby!

by atthehive on May 24, 2007 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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